Mississippi School Homecoming Celebrations Turn Deadly as 8 People are Killed 20 Injured in Separate Shootings

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Guns are as available as candy on the streets, gun laws are a fairy tale solution.

 

[d taylor]

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This is happening because people just do not care. Years ago black people would not testify against people (murderers, etc..) and now they can not even fill a Jury pool, to even have a trial.


https://www.gwcommonwealth.com/murder-trial-delayed-jury-pool-too-small

Just in case you can not read the article here it is below.


By KEVIN EDWARDS - Staff Writer
Wed,07/23/25-2:00AM, 6,730 Reads

Leflore County’s jury problems emerged again Monday as another murder trial was postponed because not enough people showed up for jury duty.
James Cason, 23, was scheduled to go on trial on capital murder and conspiracy charges for the shooting death of 15-year-old Johnny Cage in June 2022.
Cason is one of three men charged in Cage’s death. Cason and Terry Williams, 18, have pleaded not guilty.
The third man, 20-year-old Darius Sims, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and second-degree murder charges in April and is serving a 30-year prison sentence.
Around 3 p.m. Monday, just after the juror pool had returned from a recess, Circuit Judge Carol White-Richard dismissed them because the size of the jury pool was insufficient.

Assistant District Attorney Amanda Sturniolo Langford said 450 summonses were issued, but only 49 potential jurors showed up for voir dire, the process of the court interviewing the potential jurors for possible biases and excusing them for valid reasons.
Juries are made up of 12 people, along with a couple of alternates. The jury pool is selected randomly from the county’s voter rolls, but there are times where the contacted juror has died or hasn’t updated his or her address information. More often than not, the contacted juror is simply not showing up.
Judges have the power to issue show cause orders, which would force those who miss jury duty to appear before court and explain why they were absent.
Both Langford and ADA Trish Hicks said it has become a frustrating problem. Two other murder trials this year have also been delayed due to a lacking juror pool.
“Our office just really hopes that the citizens of Leflore County will see how vital their participation is to the process,” Hicks said.
“We can’t do our jobs without them,” Langford added.
“When you throw that jury summons in the garbage, that’s a slap in the face of somebody who was a victim of a crime,” Hicks concluded.

 

[JosephZ]

Guns are as available as candy on the streets, gun laws are a fairy tale solution.

States with stronger gun laws have less gun violence.

 

[d taylor]

States with stronger gun laws have less gun violence.

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These people are not buying guns in stores

 

[iluvatar5150]

Stay on topic.

Another poster proposed that a culture of mooching off the government is a factor driving these sorts of crimes. I'm pointing out the fact that the culture of mooching off the government isn't exclusive to poor folks.

 

[JosephZ]

These people are not buying guns in stores

You're right, many criminals in Mississippi don't buy their guns in stores; neither do many criminals in California. But Mississippi’s high gun violence rate (29.4 per 100,000) compared to California's (8 per 100,000) shows that comprehensive gun laws do work. California's gun violence rate would be even lower if it didn't share a border with states with weaker gun laws. Most guns used by criminals in California come from Arizona, which, like Mississippi, has some of the weakest gun laws in the country. This is why strong gun laws at the federal level are needed. If every state was required by federal law to have the same gun laws California has, the number of gun deaths and incidents of gun violence nationwide would fall significantly.

 

[Larniavc]

Look at the people pictured who did the shootings.

Those no good Americans shooting each other again.

 

[d taylor]

You're right, many criminals in Mississippi don't buy their guns in stores; neither do many criminals in California. But Mississippi’s high gun violence rate (29.4 per 100,000) compared to California's (8 per 100,000) shows that comprehensive gun laws do work. California's gun violence rate would be even lower if it didn't share a border with states with weaker gun laws. Most guns used by criminals in California come from Arizona, which, like Mississippi, has some of the weakest gun laws in the country. This is why strong gun laws at the federal level are needed. If every state was required by federal law to have the same gun laws California has, the number of gun deaths and incidents of gun violence nationwide would fall significantly.

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OK, so name one or two of Californians gun laws that will reduce murders in Mississippi

 

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If you want to keep up with the murder epidemic, this tv station in Greenville covers a good bit.

deltanews.tv | News That Works For You

 

[ThatRobGuy]

This is why strong gun laws at the federal level are needed. If every state was required by federal law to have the same gun laws California has, the number of gun deaths and incidents of gun violence nationwide would fall significantly.

A couple things...

Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine have the same gun laws as Mississippi (which is, virtually none) -- all three of those states have "constitutional permit-less carry, no waiting periods, no registry, no assault weapons bans, no mag capacity restrictions)

They're on par with the UK in terms of murder rates. (and actually a little better than Canada)



That aside, what I've brought up in other threads is the fact that gun crime isn't the only type of crime. And there's a risk calculation that many of us use in weighing the pros and cons and determining what the right balance is.

Disclosure: I'm actually a person who supports waiting periods, universal background checks, licensing, and extending the mental health screening required for buying and carrying a gun.


I'll use the closest "major city" as an example. (Cleveland Ohio)

Based on the statistics, if a person goes to Cleveland
The chances of being the victim of attempted robbery are 1 in 90.
The chances of being the victim of simple assault are 1 in 100.
The chances of being the victim of sexual assault are 1 in 250.


A person's chance of being murdered by a person with a gun in Cleveland is 1 in 3600
If Ohio adopted Cali's gun laws (and we pretend it would have the exact same effect), the chances go down a bit to 1 in 4800 (using Oakland, CA as the comparison)


If Ohio had the same gun laws as Cali, I likely wouldn't be able to carry for self defense as they're stingy with those CCW permits from what I've read.


If you gave me a choice between
A) you can have your risk of getting murdered slightly lowered (but be left completely unequipped for those other 3 far more likely scenarios)
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B) you can keep the 1 in 3600 risk of getting shot & killed, but you'll be able to have your Glock handy if one of those other 3 far more likely situations happen.


...I'm not ashamed to say I'd go with Option B.

 

[Chesterton]

You're right, many criminals in Mississippi don't buy their guns in stores; neither do many criminals in California. But Mississippi’s high gun violence rate (29.4 per 100,000) compared to California's (8 per 100,000) shows that comprehensive gun laws do work. California's gun violence rate would be even lower if it didn't share a border with states with weaker gun laws. Most guns used by criminals in California come from Arizona, which, like Mississippi, has some of the weakest gun laws in the country. This is why strong gun laws at the federal level are needed. If every state was required by federal law to have the same gun laws California has, the number of gun deaths and incidents of gun violence nationwide would fall significantly.

Go ask Grok. I knew that in my state "gun crime" decreased since we implemented constitutional carry. Turns out, it's decreased in every state which has implemented constitutional carry.

 

[JosephZ]

Go ask Grok. I knew that in my state "gun crime" decreased since we implemented constitutional carry. Turns out, it's decreased in every state which has implemented constitutional carry.

According to Grok, gun crime didn't decrease in every state, and the reason for the declines in gun crimes were a result of a combination of factors. Google's AI Overview came up with a similar response.

@grok Gun crime decreased since my state implemented constitutional carry. Turns out, it's decreased in every state which has implemented constitutional carry.

Your observation aligns with some recent data: gun-related violent crime has indeed decreased in many (though not all) of these states since implementation, often tracking or outperforming national trends. However, this isn't universal across every state, and research is mixed on whether constitutional carry causes these declines. Broader violent crime rates (including gun crimes like homicide, assault, and robbery) have fallen nationally since a 2020-2022 spike, influenced by factors like policing, economics, and post-pandemic recovery.

State-Level Trends: Decreases in Most, But Not All FBI UCR and CDC data for the 20 states with pre-2023 permitless carry (allowing sufficient post-adoption analysis) show an average violent crime rate of 354 per 100,000—10% below the national average of 391. Collectively, these states saw a 2.88 per 100,000 drop in violent crime since adoption.

40 of 52 studies since 1997 (per Carolina Journal) find no increase or decreases in violent crime post-RTC/permitless laws. Defensive gun uses (1.67M/year) may offset risks.

Recent work (e.g., ScienceDirect 2025) links RTC to +50% gun thefts and -9-18% clearance rates, potentially driving +20% urban violent crime. But these often study broader RTC, not just permitless.

Neutral consensus: National Research Council (2005, updated 2023) says results are "sensitive to model changes"—impossible to prove strong causation either way.

Why the Decreases? Not Just Guns Gun crime drops in permitless states often mirror national patterns, suggesting other drivers:

• Post-2020 rebound: Homicides surged 30% in 2020 (pandemic chaos); normalized by 2023.
• Non-gun factors: Higher incarceration, economic recovery, targeted policing in high-crime areas.
• No "more guns = more crime": Permitless states like Vermont/New Hampshire rank safest overall, challenging escalation fears.

In short, your state's experience holds for most others—gun crime has decreased, not exploded. But it's not every state, and evidence doesn't conclusively credit constitutional carry. If you share your state, I can drill into specifics! For raw data, check FBI's Crime Data Explorer.



AI Overview

No, gun crime has not decreased in every state that has implemented constitutional carry; research findings on the effects of these laws are mixed and often contradictory. Some studies indicate a decrease in violent crime or a negligible impact, while others point to an increase in certain types of gun violence, such as shooting deaths or assaults. The overall impact varies by state and is influenced by many factors beyond just the carry laws themselves.

Evidence for decreased crime

• Some studies found that a number of states saw a decrease in violent crime rates after enacting permitless carry laws.
• For example, 12 of the 20 states that adopted permitless carry before 2023 saw decreases in violent crime, though this doesn't account for all states that have adopted the law, according to Ammo.com.
• Missouri, New Hampshire, and Tennessee had some of the steepest declines after implementing permitless carry, says Ammo.com.

Evidence for increased crime

• Other analyses show increases in specific types of gun violence after constitutional carry was enacted.
• A study by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health found that firearm assaults increased in states that relaxed concealed carry laws.
• Another study highlighted that 16 of the 20 states that passed permitless carry between 2015 and 2022 saw more shooting deaths after the laws took effect compared to before, according to Congress.gov.

Mixed or inconclusive findings

• Some research found no statistically significant change in violent crime rates following the implementation of constitutional carry laws, even in states that have seen increases in other gun violence metrics, notes the Office of Justice Programs.
• One study found that states with concealed carry laws had higher violent crime rates than states without them, but this finding is debated and other studies have found different results.
• The national trend in violent crime rates is influenced by a variety of factors, including socioeconomic conditions, making it difficult to isolate the specific impact of constitutional carry laws, notes the Carolina Journal.

 

[Chesterton]

According to Grok, gun crime didn't decrease in every state, and the reason for the declines in gun crimes were a result of a combination of factors. Google's AI Overview came up with a similar response.

@grok Gun crime decreased since my state implemented constitutional carry. Turns out, it's decreased in every state which has implemented constitutional carry.

Your observation aligns with some recent data: gun-related violent crime has indeed decreased in many (though not all) of these states since implementation, often tracking or outperforming national trends. However, this isn't universal across every state, and research is mixed on whether constitutional carry causes these declines. Broader violent crime rates (including gun crimes like homicide, assault, and robbery) have fallen nationally since a 2020-2022 spike, influenced by factors like policing, economics, and post-pandemic recovery.

State-Level Trends: Decreases in Most, But Not All FBI UCR and CDC data for the 20 states with pre-2023 permitless carry (allowing sufficient post-adoption analysis) show an average violent crime rate of 354 per 100,000—10% below the national average of 391. Collectively, these states saw a 2.88 per 100,000 drop in violent crime since adoption.

40 of 52 studies since 1997 (per Carolina Journal) find no increase or decreases in violent crime post-RTC/permitless laws. Defensive gun uses (1.67M/year) may offset risks.

Recent work (e.g., ScienceDirect 2025) links RTC to +50% gun thefts and -9-18% clearance rates, potentially driving +20% urban violent crime. But these often study broader RTC, not just permitless.

Neutral consensus: National Research Council (2005, updated 2023) says results are "sensitive to model changes"—impossible to prove strong causation either way.

Why the Decreases? Not Just Guns Gun crime drops in permitless states often mirror national patterns, suggesting other drivers:

• Post-2020 rebound: Homicides surged 30% in 2020 (pandemic chaos); normalized by 2023.
• Non-gun factors: Higher incarceration, economic recovery, targeted policing in high-crime areas.
• No "more guns = more crime": Permitless states like Vermont/New Hampshire rank safest overall, challenging escalation fears.

In short, your state's experience holds for most others—gun crime has decreased, not exploded. But it's not every state, and evidence doesn't conclusively credit constitutional carry. If you share your state, I can drill into specifics! For raw data, check FBI's Crime Data Explorer.



AI Overview

No, gun crime has not decreased in every state that has implemented constitutional carry; research findings on the effects of these laws are mixed and often contradictory. Some studies indicate a decrease in violent crime or a negligible impact, while others point to an increase in certain types of gun violence, such as shooting deaths or assaults. The overall impact varies by state and is influenced by many factors beyond just the carry laws themselves.

Evidence for decreased crime

• Some studies found that a number of states saw a decrease in violent crime rates after enacting permitless carry laws.
• For example, 12 of the 20 states that adopted permitless carry before 2023 saw decreases in violent crime, though this doesn't account for all states that have adopted the law, according to Ammo.com.
• Missouri, New Hampshire, and Tennessee had some of the steepest declines after implementing permitless carry, says Ammo.com.

Evidence for increased crime

• Other analyses show increases in specific types of gun violence after constitutional carry was enacted.
• A study by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health found that firearm assaults increased in states that relaxed concealed carry laws.
• Another study highlighted that 16 of the 20 states that passed permitless carry between 2015 and 2022 saw more shooting deaths after the laws took effect compared to before, according to Congress.gov.

Mixed or inconclusive findings

• Some research found no statistically significant change in violent crime rates following the implementation of constitutional carry laws, even in states that have seen increases in other gun violence metrics, notes the Office of Justice Programs.
• One study found that states with concealed carry laws had higher violent crime rates than states without them, but this finding is debated and other studies have found different results.
• The national trend in violent crime rates is influenced by a variety of factors, including socioeconomic conditions, making it difficult to isolate the specific impact of constitutional carry laws, notes the Carolina Journal.

My general policy regarding Gish Gallops is not to respond to them, especially when they contain many different terminologies pretending to refer to the same thing. If you want to refute the exact point I made then do so.

 

[JosephZ]

My general policy regarding Gish Gallops is not to respond to them, especially when they contain many different terminologies pretending to refer to the same thing. If you want to refute the exact point I made then do so.

You said "go ask Grok," so that's what I did.