How do we set aside the grace of God?

[Soyeong]

I first heard of character traits from you, so why should I define them. Righteousness is to be in right standing with God. that means God does not hold anything against you. You are sinless in His eyes.

John 16:8 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. NASU

The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgment. People are sinners because they do not believe in Jesus.

Romans 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. NKJV

In the past, prior to Jesus' death on the cross. God did not punish anyone for their sins. He punished them for not believing that He would send a savior.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NASU

Above is what God judged people for when they died after Jesus came. Those who believe in Jesus will go to Heaven. Those who do not believe in Jesus will go to hell.

The reason why I asked you to define what it means for someone to have a character trait in general and what it means for someone to attain a character trait in general is because I want you to think about what those things mean, to understand that distinction, and understand what the Bible says about righteousness in light of this simple meaning, but you are refusing to recognize this distinction. It is easy to affirm that the way to become righteous is by believing in Jesus, but when you refuse to recognize that distinction, then it is also easy for you to misunderstand the way to believe in Jesus.

 

[fli]

The reason why I asked you to define what it means for someone to have a character trait in general and what it means for someone to attain a character trait in general is because I want you to think about what those things mean, to understand that distinction, and understand what the Bible says about righteousness in light of this simple meaning, but you are refusing to recognize this distinction. It is easy to affirm that the way to become righteous is by believing in Jesus, but when you refuse to recognize that distinction, then it is also easy for you to misunderstand the way to believe in Jesus.

Genesis 15:6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. NASU

So, you say God lied to Abraham? If Abraham still had to do something to earn his righteousness, he was not really righteous because when God imputed righteousness to him.

 

[Soyeong]

Genesis 15:6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. NASU

So, you say God lied to Abraham? If Abraham still had to do something to earn his righteousness, he was not really righteous because when God imputed righteousness to him.

I have never claimed that we need to do anything in order to earn our righteousness, but rather I have said that the one and only way to become righteous is through faith, and I have corrected on this before, so why are you continuing to burn that straw man instead of interacting with what I’ve said?

 

[Guojing]

Genesis 15:6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. NASU

So, you say God lied to Abraham? If Abraham still had to do something to earn his righteousness, he was not really righteous because when God imputed righteousness to him.

When God told Abraham to be physically circumcised in Genesis 17:14, otherwise he will be cut off from God, could Abraham have refused to do so by saying "Did you lie to me, didn't I receive imputed righteousness in Genesis 15 already?

 

[fli]

When God told Abraham to be physically circumcised in Genesis 17:14, otherwise he will be cut off from God, could Abraham have refused to do so by saying "Did you lie to me, didn't I receive imputed righteousness in Genesis 15 already?

So, God accounted righteousness to Abraham about 13 years after the event in Genesis 15. Where do you find this special revelation in the bible?

Romans 4:9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;
NASU

Paul was under the impression Abraham was accounted righteous before he was circumcised.