Jordan says ICE agents ‘doing the Lord’s work’

[ralliann]

I also believe that individuals should not enter the United States without appropriate documentation. It is my understanding that most Americans share this perspective. Only a small minority in the country support open borders and unrestricted immigration.

Would you categorize an individual who has spent the past 20 years picking tomatoes or cleaning motel rooms as a terrorist or gang member?

If these minimum wage workers are present without proper documentation and their removal from the country for violating legal requirements is desired, please specify this position clearly. But we must stop labeling every immigrants as "terrorists" or "gang members" because we want all of them gone.

I consider Terrorists, as terrorists, gang members, as gang members. As for the rest, we got rid of slave labor a long time ago. Now it appears it's back up for grabs.

 

[BCP1928]

No, he said a path to citizenship.
Then they can vote.
That's what this is really all about

Sure it is. But if so, you ought to be pleased with it. Most of these immigrants are social conservatives and might well vote Republican if you treated them decently.

 

[BCP1928]

I consider Terrorists, as terrorists, gang members, as gang members. As for the rest, we got rid of slave labor a long time ago. Now it appears it's back up for grabs.

Well. certainly no one wants them here as exploitable illegals.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I consider Terrorists, as terrorists, gang members, as gang members. As for the rest, we got rid of slave labor a long time ago. Now it appears it's back up for grabs.

I have yet to receive a clear and candid response from individuals advocating for the deportation of all 15 million undocumented immigrants. They usually hide behind term like “terrorist” , “harden criminal;” , “gang banger”, human trafficker” and now a new one “ we got rid of slave labor”.

They rarely honest enough to admit "We want all 15 million undocumented people removed from the country, regardless of who they are." They just dance around word salad.

 

[ralliann]

Well. certainly no one wants them here as exploitable illegals.

Well many are...Provided by the cartels, who they work to pay off. Some kids end up in atrocious situations. It is a world of hurt.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Sure it is. But if so, you ought to be pleased with it. Most of these immigrants are social conservatives and might well vote Republican if you treated them decently.

It is not simply a possibility, but rather a likely outcome that many South American immigrants would support conservative policies. Research suggests that if the Republican Party shifted its immigration stance to align with those of George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, approximately 70 percent of Hispanic voters could favor Republican candidates. Interestingly, the immigrants most sought after by Republicans—primarily those from Europe—tend to hold liberal views and are more likely to vote for Democratic candidates.

 

[Valletta]

ICE is doing what needs to be done because the previous regime broke the US immigration system. The current administration has ICE being used as a wrecking ball in which innocent people are being abused. This is more like Murphy’s law rather than the work of the Lord and Murphy’s law is a bipartisan demon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy's_law

Abused by ICE? Such cases are extremely rare, ICE is trying to catch as many violent criminals and terrorists as they can in order to save as many victims as possible. The missing women and children are difficult to find, the Biden administration did not keep track of hundreds of thousands and while for many it the abuse of human slavery some already are undoubtedly dead. For most there is no place to start the investigation. Meanwhile the attacks on ICE personnel and their families are up over 1000 percent and many leaders refuse to stop their violent rhetoric.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Well many are...Provided by the cartels, who they work to pay off. Some kids end up in atrocious situations. It is a world of hurt.

If you genuinely have benevolent concerns for undocumented immigrants who are often exploited by cartels, a straightforward and effective solution is to provide them with a path to citizenship. This approach benefits everyone except those taking advantage of vulnerable individuals: Americans gain hardworking labor, and these individuals have the opportunity for a better life.

 

[Fantine]

No innocent people are being abused.

I see the suppression of truth in media is persuading at least a few individuals.

The evil concealed by our government dwarfs the small number of criminal immigrants being cast as stereotypes.

 

[ralliann]

If you genuinely have benevolent concerns for undocumented immigrants who are often exploited by cartels, a straightforward and effective solution is to provide them with a path to citizenship. This approach benefits everyone except those taking advantage of vulnerable individuals: Americans gain hardworking labor, and these individuals have the opportunity for a better life.

The solution is a secure border. Then we do not need to address it.

 

[Valletta]

The masked marauders of ICE who "disappear'" immigrants can in no way be considered to be "enforcing government laws." Our government and our constitution guarantee due process. They do not authorize torture.

In just one well-publicized instance of ICE's inhumanity to man, a Catholic group sought to bring the Eucharist to the immig.ants at the Broadview ICE facility. ICE denied entrance to those wanting to give the immigrants, many of whom are Catholic, the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

Jesus, their brother, who was unjustly arrested, imprisoned, tortured, crucified and died, followed by so many heroic martyrs persecuted in Acts of the Apostles--St. Stephen, St. Paul, St. Peter.

Eucharistic procession turned back by feds at Broadview ICE detention facility

Jesuits and other Catholic and Christian clergy were turned back by ICE when they tried to bring the Eucharist to detained immigrants in Broadview, Ill.

www.americamagazine.org

And, BTW, there are "unjust" laws. God does not command us to follow unjust laws---which comprise I would estimate most of the unconstitutional overreach laws Trump has signed by edict.

The name calling and demonizing of others needs to stop. ICE officers are Americans, friends and relatives and neighbors, Democrats and Republicans. ICE is currently focusing on violent criminals in order to save as many victims as possible. The more that people interfere with ICE the more rapes and murders and human trafficking there will be. Everyone should put the welfare of these victims ahead of their politics. As to using Jesus in the Holy Eucharist for political purposes, their actions were disturbing. Pious priests do bring the Holy Eucharist to hospital patients and also to immigrant detainees. They make appointments and one priest or authorized person is all it takes for a visit for incarcerated immigrants. Showing up with a thousand people at a secure facility (I understand fifteen were arrested) and demanding entry could be considered a stunt and borders on irreverence.

 

[Fantine]

The name calling and demonizing of others needs to stop. ICE officers are Americans, friends and relatives and neighbors, Democrats and Republicans. ICE is currently focusing on violent criminals in order to save as many victims as possible. The more that people interfere with ICE the more rapes and murders and human trafficking there will be. Everyone should put the welfare of these victims ahead of their politics. As to using Jesus in the Holy Eucharist for political purposes, their actions were disturbing. Pious priests do bring the Holy Eucharist to hospital patients and also to immigrant detainees. They make appointments and one priest or authorized person is all it takes for a visit for incarcerated immigrants. Showing up with a thousand people at a secure facility (I understand fifteen were arrested) and demanding entry could be considered a stunt and borders on irreverence.

So that's how Fox is spinning it? Priests could make appointments or at a time for hundreds? I doubt it.
I trust the testimony of the Jesuits over spin doctors.
Jesus should be welcome everywhere. I am sure there are ICE agents who could use pastoral counseling. So many conservatives tell us to admonish the sinner (perhaps a gay couple just wanting to lead their lives without harassment.
How can we deny spiritual aid to many agents who have shown themselves--in the media and in first person testimonies of immigrants i know--to be horribly sadistic and violent?

 

[Valletta]

So that's how Fox is spinning it? Priests could make appointments or at a time for hundreds? I doubt it.
I trust the testimony of the Jesuits over spin doctors.
Jesus should be welcome everywhere. I am sure there are ICE agents who could use pastoral counseling. So many conservatives tell us to admonish the sinner (perhaps a gay couple just wanting to lead their lives without harassment.
How can we deny spiritual aid to many agents who have shown themselves--in the media and in first person testimonies of immigrants i know--to be horribly sadistic and violent?

Testimony of criminals is not always reliable. Most of the nation rejected the defund the police movement and the demonization of law enforcement officers.

 

[Fantine]

Testimony of criminals is not always reliable. Most of the nation rejected the defund the police movement and the demonization of law enforcement officers.

Are you calling the Jesuits criminals?
Defunding the police was another bald faced lie. Comprehensive criminal reform is well-thought out and successful.
ICE is providing ample evidence of sadism and cruelty. The public sees them objectively.

 

[Valletta]

Are you calling the Jesuits criminals?
Defunding the police was another bald faced lie. Comprehensive criminal reform is well-thought out and successful.
ICE is providing ample evidence of sadism and cruelty. The public sees them objectively.

I remember the whipping story, those sadistic border patrol guys.

 

[Lukaris]

No innocent people are being abused.

I see the suppression of truth in media is persuading at least a few individuals.

The evil concealed by our government dwarfs the small number of criminal immigrants being cast as stereotypes.

The ongoing way of life in most demo controlled cities like Chicago is what is criminal. Crime is always said to be dropping but yet it always persists at dangerous levels. Conditions at the South Shore apartments where the ICE raid occurred were unsafe and unsanitary.

‘Unlivable’ conditions festered at Chicago apartment building long before jarring immigration raid

Feces smeared on walls. Swarms of gnats. Broken elevators and busted locks on front doors. Residents of the South Shore apartment complex targeted by federal agents blame the owner and property manager for essentially abandoning them, and they say the city did little to help.

www.wbez.org

Crime is always said to be dropping but remains perpetually high while society falls apart from demo governance and the police take the blame. The hack mayor of Chicago and governor of Illinois can’t even find the right people to spin their propaganda. This is evident in the case of a representative of a “non violent” community group who was involved in a smash & grab robbery 6 days after appearing with demo heroes.

Anti-violence groups face new scrutiny after deadly robbery involving a peacekeeper

Violence prevention leaders say they will re-evaluate how they vet peacekeepers after one of them was allegedly involved in a high-profile smash-and-grab.

www.wbez.org

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The solution is a secure border. Then we do not need to address it.

So, your supposed concern is really just meaninglessness—as long as you don't have to deal with those people, their fate doesn't matter to you.

 

[Valletta]

So, your supposed concern is really just meaninglessness—as long as you don't have to deal with those people, their fate doesn't matter to you.

The overall fate and well-being of people is what drives conservatives. It is hard for this conservative to understand the lack of concern for the worse-off of the victims of this terrible unnecessary human tragedy, the victims of violence and human trafficking. Securing the border and mass deportation was what Trump ran on, the debate took place and the American people have spoken through the election results.

 

[Fantine]

The ongoing way of life in most demo controlled cities like Chicago is what is criminal. Crime is always said to be dropping but yet it always persists at dangerous levels. Conditions at the South Shore apartments where the ICE raid occurred were unsafe and unsanitary.

‘Unlivable’ conditions festered at Chicago apartment building long before jarring immigration raid

Feces smeared on walls. Swarms of gnats. Broken elevators and busted locks on front doors. Residents of the South Shore apartment complex targeted by federal agents blame the owner and property manager for essentially abandoning them, and they say the city did little to help.

www.wbez.org

Crime is always said to be dropping but remains perpetually high while society falls apart from demo governance and the police take the blame. The hack mayor of Chicago and governor of Illinois can’t even find the right people to spin their propaganda. This is evident in the case of a representative of a “non violent” community group who was involved in a smash & grab robbery 6 days after appearing with demo heroes.

Anti-violence groups face new scrutiny after deadly robbery involving a peacekeeper

Violence prevention leaders say they will re-evaluate how they vet peacekeepers after one of them was allegedly involved in a high-profile smash-and-grab.

www.wbez.org

You just demonstrated blind belief in propaganda.
Ending crime begins with minimizing poverty and despair, not with ICE parachuting to the rooves of those who need compassion.

 

[BCP1928]

The overall fate and well-being of people is what drives conservatives. It is hard for this conservative to understand the lack of concern for the worse-off of the victims of this terrible unnecessary human tragedy, the victims of violence and human trafficking. Securing the border and mass deportation was what Trump ran on, the debate took place and the American people have spoken through the election results.

He ran on deportation and is serving us deportation with gratuitous cruelty, which is obviously what his "base" wanted all along.