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2150 AD and the Macro Society

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When I was a teenager I read the book 2150 by Thea Alexander where she theorizes the height of what she calls Macro Philosophy. Nice philosophy on the height of relationship between man and woman as well… I may try to find this book and hope I didn’t throw it away…

Macro Society - The place at its height
Micro Society - The place at its lowest

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Thea Alexander...

Still has a wonderful look about her decades later…

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For decades I had no need to explore anymore into this philosophy as there was so much wonderful experience inside the Pentecostal Holiness church. Now the revivals are behind us I see the need to delve back into this study… Especially as a movement can easily pass from hot to lukewarm to cold these days...

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God can take mass and turn it into plasma... God can take the plasma and reform it into mass. All to his will and imagination... No man being his counselor. Even then... How would we humans know to create living things out of the dust alone?

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Spiritually then we have...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
**** The World of the Flesh - Everything in-between
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: - 1 John 1
 
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My Christian experience evolved in three denominational schools of thought

1. GARBC Baptist
2. Free Will Baptist
3. Pentecostal Holiness

No regrets. And I of heart do not think one denomination is better than the other. Most Pentecostal Holiness preachers I know will go on to get Masters Degrees at places like Liberty University. The preaching sounds exactly the same as it did GARBC Baptist.

When I was a teenager I read the book 2150 by Thea Alexander where she theorizes the height of what she calls Macro Philosophy.

Macro Society - The place at its height
Micro Society - The place at its lowest

In looking at the book below it shows what was thought to have been an advanced man and woman of the future. I thought at the time that the futuristic look would be of people in their tunics and looking like citizens of the Roman Empire. What has amazed me is that there is no “advanced” look to people these days. They all look like the did in Noah’s time. And it is clear to me that society will not last until 2150AD. I believe in that year we will be into the millennial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ

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Tough future! I remember when reading the book 2150AD by Thea Alexander I imagined a future of advanced society where everyone walked around in great shape and in tunics. Looking like leadership of the Roman Empire of old. Everywhere I go it seems like people are terribly out of shape these days. And I would say it is hard keeping young people as they cannot see any kind of upper, advanced way in the people these days.

I have come to the conclusion that Isaac Newton was closest in his 2060AD Christ return prophecy. I would also venture to say that in 2150 AD we will probably be walking in white tunics and looking like folk of the Roman Empire of old. But it will be the time of the last millennial where the evil angels will be locked up for a thousand years during the reign of Christ.

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. -Revelation 20

So… In the meantime, I will work and do the best I can. Awaiting the return of Christ Jesus
 
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For decades I had no need to explore anymore into this philosophy as there was so much wonderful experience inside the Pentecostal Holiness church. Now the revivals are behind us I see the need to delve back into this study… Especially as a movement can easily pass from hot to lukewarm to cold these days...

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God can take mass and turn it into plasma... God can take the plasma and reform it into mass. All to his will and imagination... No man being his counselor. Even then... How would we humans know to create living things out of the dust alone?

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...
Thats is why I think in NDE and the like people describe a light that is brighter than anything they have seen that fills everywhere. Yet they can look at it and experience this. They often say there is a warmth and peace but alsdo a goodness and love in the light.

On the other hand we hear of darkness and horrors and feelings of unease. Of dark shadows from behind that are hovering and a sort of anti light and goodness.

I have often pondered the light that Christ speaks of and the light that was there in the beginning. The different kind of light from sunlight. Yet I think sunlight is itself a strange phenomena. It is said that 99.999% of everything we see is nothing. Is actually the resistence of atoms which are basically energy.

What we actually see is a reflection of light. The light spectrum itself is a weird thing. Different creatures see it differently like its a reflection of something else. Whatever that is. Maybe how God created each creature to navigate this plane. But if all is basically energy and light what is that.
Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Well Lawrence Krausse reckons its a special kind of nothing. The nothing you have when your not having nothing.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
I am not sure. Yes there is nothing as far as the physical processes of brain activity firing electrical signals like a computer. There is nothing mental in that like thoughts, and experiences of what it is like to be something. But thats the thing. The mental is something that may actually represent the everything.

The weird thing is that science along the way also came to this conclusion. At least in QM an with ideas from Wheelers "it from bit" and the Participatory Universe". Or Wigners Friend experiements. Now scientists are dabbling in ideas like Panpsychism and Integrated Information theory or Simulation theory.

The point being that the 'Mental' or 'Mind' is nothing as far as the physical and is empty space as far as space and time ontology. But its not as far as whatever is fundemental reality because its the mind that is doing all the knowing, conceptualising, creating realities. Which means there is something.

Even if it is Mind that is allowing humans to experience the spiritual. Or that Mind is part of the spiritual or the transcedent aspect that we can partly know now. As Christ says we can see dimly now but will know in full when He returns.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)
They may actually be emotion which is different and can easily be confused. Because both are about a qualitative phenomena. An experience of something. Which can come with feelings but is not just feelings. Its qualified as a particular experience and phenomena. Like the evidence of things unseen. Which like empircile science gives a confidence of realness and not feelings or fuzziness.

I think generally positive feelings are associated with Gods spirit. But so is something like fear. But positive emotions like hope and serenity are partyicular qualities that have more substance if you could call it substance. But its more qualified emotionally and grounded in faith. Which can only be qualified by the spirit. BUt you know that you know lol.
Spiritually then we have...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
**** The World of the Flesh - Everything in-between
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: - 1 John 1
This kind of light to me is the truth whatever that may be. And even non Christians will use this terminology to describe finding out the truth. Especially in crimes or ethical situations. Like more evidence has come to light. Or people feel either more comfortable in the dark. Or an evil period of history was called a 'Dark period'.

Or how the spiritual aspects of warmth, faith, hope and joy are delightful, lighten up people. Bring new light or life. Or the 'Life Force' they use to tal about as a substance that brings life to inanimate objects. Light and life are often associated and connected.

Which the bible and Christ also mention together.

John 8:12
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

This idea of light and darkness and life as a metaphor is very interesting to me. It sort of says so much about reality but we cannot fully comprehend it.
 
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Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
Nonsense.
 
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Nonsense.

Yes! Agreed! Very much so! Very good job sir!

Mass is nonsense - It exists in its own reality. Therefore we have got to use our mind to figure it out

Spirituality is nonsense - It exists apart from the mind. The mind is not at all spiritual. There was a story told by the ancient Greeks about the gods of Mount Olympus. Having created the earth and man had one thing left to do, and that was to hide the secret of life where it would not be found until man had progressed to the point where he would be ready for it. The gods argued over where the secret of life should be hidden. One said, "Let us hide it on the highest mountain." But another god replied, "We have created man with insatiable curiosity and ambition, and he will eventually climb even the highest mountain." Then one suggested they that they hide it at the bottom of the deepest ocean. To this another replied, "We have created man with boundless imagination and a burning desire to explore his world. Sooner or later, man will reach even the greatest ocean depths." Finally, one of the gods came up with a solution. "Let us hide the secret of life in the last place that man will ever look, a place that he will only come to when he has exhausted all other ties and is finally ready for it... Deep within the human heart."
 
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And to put all this nonsense together...

Spiritual E/c2 - Warmth as in love... c2 as in motivation
Material E/c2 - Since c2 is in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy. Such energy makes up the atom. There are trillions of atoms within a single cell. There are trillions of cells within the human body.
Intellectual E/2 - The ability to figure all of this as a mathematical equation. Even so... The intellectual ability is neither spiritual or material. Merely a figment of the imagination.

And since these objects are different forms of reality apart from one another. we humans attempt to structure reality as we behold the mass. If our structure is really good an intelligence is developed. In Plato’s doctrine of the divided line it shows the progress through our vision of objects to intelligence. In book IV of his Republic Plato illustrates the doctrine of the divided line through an allegory about human beings imprisoned in a large cave. The darkness of the cave and the images of their reality reflect the lower level of living. Having a prisoner released and journeying upward through the cave into the actual outdoors reflects the gaining of knowledge. Upon gazing at the sun, he beholds the chief good and the highest form of intelligence. Having seen these things, he feels the responsibility of liberating his friends from their imprisoned minds. To become educated then means to pass from opinion to knowledge, to progress from what seems real to what is actually real.

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Immanuel Kant- Tinted Sunglasses: Our mind organizes experiences in different ways. The mind (reason) and the senses both make important contributions to knowledge. Immanuel Kant’s reflection on Physics led him to develop a new theory of knowledge that combines rationalism and empiricism into a new synthesis called critical philosophy. Kant agrees with Hume that knowledge begins with experience, but disagrees to the experience sensual limitations. “Though our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it rises out of experience. Just as a person wearing sunglasses sees things differently, so the human being sees things according to that structure.”

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In my experience I am amazed that you can have two study the same material under the same environment... And still have two totally different people of character. I am Pentecostal Holiness of doctrine... I was brought up under an evangelist turned preacher. He would have wonderful revivals as he would seek out people with great testimony for revival. He retired and we got one with a Masters Degree from Liberty University. We use to have 300 for Sunday School now there are barely one or two cars.

Gravity - True spirituality, like true mass... Has potential and drawing effect. Take away the spiritual and there is nothing there to draw. John Owen, when asked by King Charles why he, a great and learned scholar, went to hear an uneducated tinkerer like John Bunyan preach had this to say: "I would willingly exchange my learning for the tinkerer's power of touching men's hearts."
 
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And Lao-Tzu on how the vitality and spirit...

* When people are caught up in social customs, they are bound physically and drained mentally, therefore they cannot avoid being burdened.
* When your rank is high in the world, then your vitality and spirit are depleted daily, eventually to become dissipated and not return to the body
* When the vitality, spirit, will, and energy are calm, they fill you day by day and make you strong. Therefore the sages keep nurturing their spirit, make their energy gentle, and flow with the way.
* Heaven gives to those who accumulate the virtue of the way
* When ideal people reach the way, the richness of virtue flows in them.
*The heavenly energy makes the higher soul, the earthly makes the lower.
* The more knowledge and ability there are, the more virtue declines; so perfect people are pure and simple, without useless complexity.
 
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Pertaining to atheist, agnostics, and them of different religious mindset... Do I consider them bad people? Well... Not necessarily no.

Macro -Career minded, ethical, good hearted... I would not label them bad
Micro - Lazy, vindictive, lawless, mean spirited... Yes... Indeed bad!
 
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Referring to Plato's Republic...

The Three Children of "The Good" (God the Father)

1. Matter - Material form. The sun is E / c2 in the form of plasma and is the visible form of "The Good."
2. Spirituality - Spiritual form. Spiritual warmth, love, faith, joy, and hope set in a heart to do creative things.
3. Intelligence - Intellectual form. What directed the plasma to cool into the respective elements.

In his Republic, Plato illustrates the doctrine of the divided line through an allegory of a cave in which Socrates describes a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe forms to these shadows, which are the closest they get in viewing reality.

Having a prisoner released and journeying upward through the cave into the actual outdoors reflects the gaining of knowledge. Upon gazing at the sun he beholds the chief good and the purest form of light and energy. Having seen these things he then feels the responsibility of liberating his friends from their imprisoned minds. To become enlightened means to pass from opinion to enlightenment. To progress from what seems real to what is actually real.

"The business of us who are the founders of the State will be to compel the best minds to attain that knowledge which we have already shown to be the greatest of all--they must continue to ascend until they arrive at the good; but when they have ascended and seen enough we must not allow them to do as they do now. What do you mean? I mean that they remain in the upper world: but this must not be allowed; they must be made to descend again among the prisoners in the den, and partake of their labors and honors, whether they are worth having or not. But is not this unjust? he said; ought we to give them a worse life, when they might have a better? You have again forgotten, my friend, I said, the intention of the legislator, who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of the State, and therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding up the State. Wherefore each of you, when his turn comes, must go down to the general underground abode, and get the habit of seeing in the dark. When you have acquired the habit, you will see ten thousand times better than the inhabitants of the den, and you will know what the several images are, and what they represent, because you have seen the beautiful and just and good in their truth." - Plato's Republic

To rise to Macro means to escape the clutches of the den, journey outdoors, and catch the reality of the three children of the good... Spiritually, intellectually, and finally materially. And finally, after beholding the "Good" we must not remain in the upper levels but take the journey back down to the cave and do our part to spread light to this darkened world.

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