Labor Dept warns Immigration Policies Threaten Stability of the Domestic Food Supply

[Nithavela]

Here, I want to put kids to work. 7th and 8th graders, as well as high school kids.

I was just referencing the women workers during the world wars as an example of American tradition, and why hiring kids isn't outside of normal.

There's another tradition for getting cheap manual labor.

 

[Desk trauma]

Here, I want to put kids to work. 7th and 8th graders, as well as high school kids.

I was just referencing the women workers during the world wars as an example of American tradition, and why hiring kids isn't outside of normal.

Serdar Gurbangulyýewiç Berdimuhamedow approves.

 

[Desk trauma]

There's another tradition for getting cheap manual labor.

Anything to avoid farmers being exposed to upward pressure on their workers wages.

 

[bèlla]

the education department could offer extra credits for school kids to work in the fields, as an applied sciences accreditation.

...I remember hearing about women doing construction and manufacturing work during both world wars. Why not solve our problems the American way, through real American traditions?

That was a different time and most parents wouldn’t do it unless they needed the money. Children have enough to do these days and many are over scheduled. The summer break is deserved. They have the rest of their lives to work. Let them enjoy their freedom.

~bella

 

[Nithavela]

Anything to avoid farmers being exposed to upward pressure on their workers wages.

How else would they produce the cheap soybeans china no longer needs because they get them from Argentina?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Serdar Gurbangulyýewiç Berdimuhamedow approves.

Nobody thinks kids should be forced. But those who want extra cash should be allowed.

 

[Richard T]

It seems that you didn't read where I reported what I observed. When is this "imminent widespread disruption across the US agricultural sector" going to happen? It hasn't happened so far I haven't seen indications that anyone is planning for imminent disruption. It wouldn't disrupt peanuts planting and harvesting, or field corn, or wheat, or rye, or oats; or hay. The closest you get to migrant labor here are teams of combines that used to be a thing in the Midwest and maybe still are. Migrant labor is used for onions; for blueberries; for watermelons; for cantaloupes; for pretty much any crop that has to be thinned or picked by hand. And that is where the watermelons i told you about come in. This afternoon road by fields of greens of various types and which don't do well in hot weather, so they had to be in the ground less than a month. So, if this is imminent, why was it planted in the first place? Why not wait a little while and go with rye or winter wheat, which doesn't require migrant labor.

For that matter, if this is imminent, why are migrants still here locally? Either they are all nationalized citizens (a distinct possibility) or they have their visas, for they haven't gone back home.

It's one thing to find a news article online about something; it's another to see every day what the reporter who wrote the article may never have seen in his or her life.

Don't believe me? Fine. Just know that what I see every day doesn't agree with the claim in the article.

Wheat prices per bushel when adjusted for inflation are the lowest ever.

Didn’t you see the clip I posted yesterday? Here’s a screenshot. And of course it’s a land grab. I’ve wondered about Klaus’s statement in relation to ownership. How would we own nothing? I think we’re starting to understand.

~bella

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Thanks, I did not see that previously. Very interesting.

 

[bèlla]

Wheat prices per bushel when adjusted for inflation are the lowest ever.

Thanks, I did not see that previously. Very interesting.

No problem. I have to show you the tiny home development. I’ll grab a screenshot and post the link on the money thread,

~bella

 

[rjs330]

does keep prices low by exploiting illegal workers. Are you disputing that? It's the Right and the neolib faction of the Left who think it's a good thing.

Yes it does. And thats wrong. The left supports it as much as the right and vice versa. As I said the RIGHT is the one that is wanting the illegals sent home and we recognize what that means for food prices. The left does NOT want them sent home. They want them here because it means food prices will stay lower.

What I dispute is the broad brush youve been painting with when it comes to the right and the carefully worded separation with the left. I think this is something us non-politicians could find common ground on. We could demand that the use of illegal labor be stopped. And programs be set up to allow for legal labor to take over which course would allow for migrant workers to be here for a time and earn a fair wage.

 

[wing2000]

Growing up in Indiana, kids used to work in the cornfields detasseling corn over their summer vacations, or picking blueberries for money.

...There's nothing wrong with hiring kids to do work over their summer vacations.

I agree...to a point. Younger teens could perform such tasks. However, today's younger generation values other ways to spend their time.

 

[wing2000]

It seems that you didn't read where I reported what I observed. When is this "imminent widespread disruption across the US agricultural sector" going to happen? It hasn't happened so far I haven't seen indications that anyone is planning for imminent disruption.

I submit the Agriculture department has a broader view than what you have personally observed to date. The statement is a warning of what is to come unless changes are made to temporary work visa programs.

 

[bèlla]

I submit the Agriculture department has a broader view than what you have personally observed to date. The statement is a warning of what is to come unless changes are made to temporary work visa programs.

I looked at the Project 2025 Tracker. According the site, 48% of the objectives are done overall. The Department of Agriculture is at 29%. You can see what remains here. It may provide some insight.

~bella

 

[Lukaris]

It is often said that there are non Americans needed to do the work Americans won’t do. We also hear how technology replaces humans in various jobs. Maybe in the case of agriculture, we need to pursue automation to avoid problems that result from labor shortages and immigration mismanagement.

Harvesting Robots: Automated Farming in 2025

From corporate agriculture operations to family-owned farms, automated systems enable the agriculture industry to become more sustainable, productive, and efficient. Learn how here.

howtorobot.com

It is interesting that in left wing California where “green energy” is always touted & mass migration without borders, there is actual bans that stifle automation in agriculture.

We Asked Robots Why California Should Repeal Its Prohibition on Autonomous Agricultural Technology: News Article - Independent Institute

Robots are spreading across America’s farmlands, but in California, where much of the technology was invented, government regulations prevent farmers from

www.independent.org

Meanwhile billions are spent on solar “farms” that can turn out to be useless piles of junk & environmental damage “green” talking points obscure in it’s mission to “save” the earth.

$2.2 billion solar plant in California scheduled to be turned off after years of wasted money: ‘Never lived up to its promises’

The hugely expensive Ivanpah Solar Power Facility was completed in 2014, but it’s now dated and inefficient. It’s set to close in 2026.

nypost.com

 

[bèlla]

Project 2025 Detailed Project Objectives for the Dept. of Agriculture

These are the remaining objectives for the agency. Some are pretty questionable.

 

[bèlla]

It is often said that there are non Americans needed to do the work Americans won’t do. We also hear how technology replaces humans in various jobs. Maybe in the case of agriculture, we need to pursue automation to avoid problems that result from labor shortages and immigration mismanagement.

It already exists and they introduced the concept sometime ago. Wall Street Journal has several articles on the subject. I included the headline and publishing date in case you’re interested.

Teaching Drones to Farm; Equipment Makers Develop Automated Vehicles to Sow Land and Harvest Crops | September 20, 2011

Robots Head for the Fields; The agricultural industry is coping with a labor shortage. Can AI come to the rescue? | October 1, 2018

The Future of Food (A Special Report) --- Robots With a Light Touch: Machines struggle with the task of picking fruits and vegetables. Science is trying to help. | October 3, 2018

AI Comes to the Apple Orchard—From Pollinating to Picking; Researchers are developing robots that promise to automate a process that has always relied on human workers—and bees | January 29, 2025

The Future of Everything: The Food Issue --- Meet the Fully Autonomous Farm: Drones, AI and robot pickers are among the technologies paving the way for farms that can run themselves, with minimal human input. | July 21, 2025

~bella

 

[NxNW]

Imagine that? Americans are unwilling to harvest their own food.

I could barely handle breaking the seal on my new bottle of Jack Daniels tonight.

 

[NxNW]

Here, I want to put kids to work. 7th and 8th graders, as well as high school kids.

The children yearn for the mines!

 

[Tuur]

I submit the Agriculture department has a broader view than what you have personally observed to date. The statement is a warning of what is to come unless changes are made to temporary work visa programs.

On the one hand, you have a report that was the source of an article in a newspaper based in a city. On the other you have an on-the-spot observation from someone in farming country. Who you chose to believe is up to you.

 

[BPPLEE]

It seems you didn't read the referenced document.
"that immediate reform to the H-2A program's minimum wage policy, or the AEWRs, is necessary to avoid imminent widespread disruption across the U.S. agricultural sector."

I thought ICE was only doing raids at Home Depot and apartment buildings

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I'm not against prisoners doing the harvest. For the price of their upkeep.