Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

[bèlla]

Yes you did. You used the word "relations". And fornication.

Stop derailing the thread. Sexual abstinence is your bend not mine. I didn’t expound on the subject. If you want to address it start a new thread.

~bella

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Women were expected to marry and reproduce. The culture was patriarchal. Their entrance into the workforce coupled with feminism altered the atmosphere.



They’ve moved nearer to their origin in the garden. Man was given a directive and that includes everyone.



All ideologies need adherents for furtherance. If we center the question on tradition the answer has been provided. Women are moving away from traditional roles and opening themselves to new opportunities. For some that means a life devoid of marriage and children. For others it means explorations in leadership including entrepreneurs. Some feel compelled to teach and offer instruction and support for women, mothers, etc. The paths are numerous because our knitting differs.

~bella

That seems to work, the experiment area seems to be restricted to certain geographical zones, and the earth is overpopulated as it is.

 

[RDKirk]

Where do you get that idea? Every example I shared is independent. They’re not standing in pulpits. They built profitable entities for their work.

~bella

I'm talking about secular roles.

I remember in the 60s when Germaine Greer spoke of women entering tradtionally masculine roles but bringing a feminine (not feminist) influence into those roles. But I don't see a feminine influence, I see a feminist influence...which isn't the same thing. I see a pseudo-masculinity instead. Making the same mistakes and calling it "feminist." My daughter sees the same thing.

 

[bèlla]

I'm talking about secular roles.

Such as?

All of the women I know work for themselves. That’s the goal for many and I support it. I rarely advise anyone to go into the corporate world unless they’re acquiring experience for a future entity.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

Stop derailing the thread. Sexual abstinence is your bend not mine. I didn’t expound on the subject. If you want to address it start a new thread.

~bella

I am not derailing this thread, I addressed what you have said. You are promoting that women be celibate, and childless. And brought up "relations" in regards to sex, and fornication as well..
Don't play games here!

 

[ralliann]

I'm talking about secular roles.

I remember in the 60s when Germaine Greer spoke of women entering tradtionally masculine roles but bringing a feminine (not feminist) influence into those roles. But I don't see a feminine influence, I see a feminist influence...which isn't the same thing. I see a pseudo-masculinity instead. Making the same mistakes and calling it "feminist." My daughter sees the same thing.

There is almost a backdoor agreement with the old male chauvinism, of traditional femininity.
Marrying, having children is seen as of lesser value, of all pursuits in life

 

[bèlla]

I am not derailing this thread, I addressed what you have said. You are promoting that women be celibate, and childless. And brought up "relations" in regards to sex, and fornication as well..
Don't play games here!

I’m not promoting anything and the data is in response to a well-known prediction. Go read it.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

I’m not promoting anything and the data is in response to a well-known prediction. Go read it.

~bella

You wrote what you wrote. I simply responded. Why such a fuss?

 

[bèlla]

You wrote what you wrote. I simply responded. Why such a fuss?

You‘re wrong and if you don’t know what I was citing you should say so and ask for the resource. This isn’t a conversation about celibacy or anything related to it. The OP is clear and my comments concerning women are the other side of the phenomenon we’ve covered previously.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

You‘re wrong and if you don’t know what I was citing you should say so and ask for the resource. This isn’t a conversation about celibacy or anything related to it. The OP is clear and my comments concerning women are the other side of the phenomenon we’ve covered previously.

~bella

So touchy on simple disagreement.

 

[bèlla]

So touchy on simple disagreement.

I’m not touchy and this is my last response. I see you’ve replied to an older post elsewhere too. Your behavior is odd and I don’t have time for silliness and will block you instead.

~bella

 

[RDKirk]

Such as?

All of the women I know work for themselves.

You must be in a very select environment if all the women you know work for themselves.

That’s the goal for many and I support it. I rarely advise anyone to go into the corporate world unless they’re acquiring experience for a future entity.

~bella

IMO, most people (any race, either or any gender) do not have the capacity to run a business that will fully support them. From my experience, most people must work for the minority who do have that capability.

 

[bèlla]

You must be in a very select environment if all the women you know work for themselves.

It isn’t particular and was done by choice. Associating with people with similar goals and challenges is wise and I don’t have to censor myself.

IMO, most people (any race, either or any gender) do not have the capacity to run a business that will fully support them. From my experience, most people must work for the minority who do have that capability.

I assume you’re not acquainted with people doing so in this medium. It’s fairly common. The biggest factor is threefold. Knowing your subject, a willingness to be vulnerable if you’re just getting started and good communication skills. The women I started with were stay at home wives who didn’t have to support their families financially. They had the time and discretionary income to launch a venture without needing it to be profitable.

Where we differed from most was our willingness to pay. The majority were gleaning and looking for tidbits online. But we worked with experts from the start and continued to do so which shortened the learning curve. We shared liberally within the group including our sources and supported one another.

The biggest impediment to success online is discretionary income, lack of support and ignorance. You can learn how to build a business or platform. But if you’re going it alone with no assistance or insight on the best approach, time wasters and so on it’s going to be harder. There‘s information you won’t encounter unless you’re in a group or mastermind. It isn’t publicly available.

I use a similar technique for every area in my life. I‘m not self-taught. I acquaint myself with a subject and find an expert to help me advance and hit my target. Most of the things I know I can sell and that’s intentional too. Life didn’t happen to me. I designed the one I wanted that I could monetize. That’s my strategy.

We have to find what works for us and our circumstances. I have a vision for my bloodline and that‘s my priority. The things I do may not resonate with others because we have different convictions. I was created to rule and that’s my compass.

~bella

 

[johansen]

I’m not touchy and this is my last response. I see you’ve replied to an older post elsewhere too. Your behavior is odd and I don’t have time for silliness and will block you instead.

~bella

Your confusion here is as far back as your quote of what the other said, but you left off the question mark in his reply and then you replied as if he made a factual statement instead.

 

[Michie]

It isn’t particular and was done by choice. Associating with people with similar goals and challenges is wise and I don’t have to censor myself.



I assume you’re not acquainted with people doing so in this medium. It’s fairly common. The biggest factor is threefold. Knowing your subject, a willingness to be vulnerable if you’re just getting started and good communication skills. The women I started with were stay at home wives who didn’t have to support their families financially. They had the time and discretionary income to launch a venture without needing it to be profitable.

Where we differed from most was our willingness to pay. The majority were gleaning and looking for tidbits online. But we worked with experts from the start and continued to do so which shortened the learning curve. We shared liberally within the group including our sources and supported one another.

The biggest impediment to success online is discretionary income, lack of support and ignorance. You can learn how to build a business or platform. But if you’re going it alone with no assistance or insight on the best approach, time wasters and so on it’s going to be harder. There‘s information you won’t encounter unless you’re in a group or mastermind. It isn’t publicly available.

I use a similar technique for every area in my life. I‘m not self-taught. I acquaint myself with a subject and find an expert to help me advance and hit my target. Most of the things I know I can sell and that’s intentional too. Life didn’t happen to me. I designed the one I wanted that I could monetize. That’s my strategy.

We have to find what works for us and our circumstances. I have a vision for my bloodline and that‘s my priority. The things I do may not resonate with others because we have different convictions. I was created to rule and that’s my compass.

~bella

Why don’t you ever give a link to your business online? I’m just curious.

 

[bèlla]

Why don’t you ever give a link to your business online? I’m just curious.

I don’t put my personal information on here. That’s nothing against the site but I keep my private life separate. And the same applies with my family. We’re not connected on here. I don’t know if you’re aware there’s several sites about people who make content and threads on Reddit. They go out of their way to dig up information and post it publicly. It isn’t limited to the individual. They’ll doxx their loved ones too. And it doesn’t end there. They’ll come to your home as well and its happened to a few.

They’ve coined a term to describe the behavior as parasocial relationships. I don’t know if men experience the same but it‘s pretty common with women. The threads are mean spirited and they follow everything and comment. There’s a lot of hostility towards content creators. Even though they’re watching and learning from them the money is a problem. They expect the person to remain as-is although their circumstances have improved and the difference is bothersome.

And I learned lesson from Ree Drummond. She invited some people to her home years ago who worked in this space. They were able to see her life beyond the site. This was well before The Food Network. When they returned home they left scathing remarks about their visit and she was hurt. She meant well but she was too trusting and she never did it again.

This is a screenshot of a question someone asked about the hate.

~bella

 

[Michie]

It seems that’s a chance you take when you have a business online. It does not make sense to me to discuss all the time here but are not willing to share your work. It’s very curious but whatever works for you.

 

[DragonFox91]

I’m not liberal and my conservatism is taking a hit in this climate and I’ll probably lean more moderate when it’s said and done. Nevertheless, I have limits to what I‘m willing to sit under spiritually or entertain. I’ve had my fill with the gender wars and I’m tired of hearing christian men sounding like mascots for red pill or quasi incels. It isn’t attractive.

If things continue as they are you’re going to lose us. We’re tired. Far more than we admit. Something has to change and I’m sure you’d agree.

~bella

There's a difference between 'theologically conservative / liberal' & 'conservative / liberal.' A theological liberal to use an extreme (but common) example would be 'there's a scientific explanation for each of the Bible's miracles.' Or a less extreme example 'church should be entertainment' over 'church should be teaching.'

Women took the lead because men weren‘t interested. I’ve been in those circles for more than 20 years and mentored my share.

~bella

That's some of it too. My opinion is something was motiviating the men to not be interested, like the women wanted to lead & the men said 'okay, whatever'

 

[bèlla]

There's a difference between 'theologically conservative / liberal' & 'conservative / liberal.' A theological liberal to use an extreme (but common) example would be 'there's a scientific explanation for each of the Bible's miracles.' Or 'entertainment' over 'teaching.'

Thanks for the explanation. I take the Lord at His word but I realize interpretations differ. I’m not bothered by it personally beyomd extremes like gay marriage. That takes a lot of mental wrangling. But something like gender roles will have wider interpretations. I’m not going to tell your wife to get back in the kitchen but it’s people who think like that and expect you to follow suit.

I assume you’re conservative all around? It appears that way. ;-)

~bella

 

[PloverWing]

There's a difference between 'theologically conservative / liberal' & 'conservative / liberal.' A theological liberal to use an extreme (but common) example would be 'there's a scientific explanation for each of the Bible's miracles.' Or a less extreme example 'church should be entertainment' over 'church should be teaching.'

I agree that 'there's a scientific explanation for each of the Bible's miracles' is one example of theological liberalism, but I'm not following your other example. A nondenominational church with an entertaining praise band and an Orthodox Presbyterian church that spends 6 months carefully teaching the Westminster Confession are both likely to be theologically conservative (they're both likely to be inerrantists and complementarians, for example). Can you elaborate on what you had in mind?