Can states ban sexual orientation change efforts therapy? Supreme Court hears arguments

[Michie]

The U.S. Supreme Court will determine if states can ban licensed professionals from engaging in therapy with minors seeking to change their sexual orientation or help gender confused children accept their sex.

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments on Tuesday morning in the case of Kaley Chiles v. Patty Salazar, executive director of the Colorado Department of Regulatory Agencies, et al.

At issue was a challenge to a Colorado law by a Christian therapist named Kaley Chiles, who argued that the measure violates her rights under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

James Campbell of the Alliance Defending Freedom argued the case on behalf of Chiles, arguing that Colorado’s ban wrongfully censors “widely held views on debated moral, religious and scientific questions.”

“Aside from this law and recent ones like it, Colorado hasn’t identified any similar viewpoint-based bans on counseling,” Campbell said in his opening comments. “These laws are historic outliers.”

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Can states ban sexual orientation change efforts therapy? Supreme Court hears arguments

The U S Supreme Court will determine if states can ban licensed professionals from engaging in therapy with minors seeking to change their sexual orientation or help gender confused children accept

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[RileyG]

I doubt it, but some people sexualities are fluid. My opinion only.

 

[stevevw]

Up until 5 minutes ago praying and helping those affected by trans and sexual orientation or any issues in life for that matter could go see a priest or be prayed for by their church. Its what Christians have done for 2000 years lol.

If this is really about the right to live your beliefs then Christians and churches have just as much right to express and practice their beliefs. Even if that is percieved as promoting the Christian belief. Because this same right is given to all including the LGBTQ+ community.

The problem comes when the State has to act as the aribitor when these rights clash. But the State should not take sides.

But also I think mainstream medical has become indoctrinated into the ideology. The science and facts are twisted to fit the ideology to be politically correct. People don't get all the information and facts and false narratives are pushed.

This is about ideological beliefs and not the science.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

In Christianity, Judaism and Islam practicing homosexual sex is a grave sin. If a follower of those religions wants to overcome his or her sinfulness but they need help from others, who are we to deny them the help (even coming from a counselor or psychologist). God's ways are what we faithful strive for not man's ways.

 

[RileyG]

In Christianity, Judaism and Islam practicing homosexual sex is a grave sin. If a follower of those religions wants to overcome his or her sinfulness but they need help from others, who are we to deny them the help (even coming from a counselor or psychologist). God's ways are what we faithful strive for not man's ways.

Amen!

 

[bèlla]

If the parent requests the clergy’s presence or services that’s fine. But if an individual takes it upon themself to address the child without the parent’s knowledge that’s a problem. They’re still a minor.

~bella

 

[Hvizsgyak]

If the parent requests the clergy’s presence or services that’s fine. But if an individual takes it upon themself to address the child without the parent’s knowledge that’s a problem. They’re still a minor.

~bella

I will go along with what you are saying but for the record, I think that is messed up. If the minor feels that it is wrong (even if the parents don't think it is wrong) and seeks help from someone trained in that field, I don't think it should be denied to the minor. You look at the world as heterosexual and homosexual are two okay lifestyles. From a Christians perspective, we would prefer a minor to be heterosexual or stay single. These days, the societal correct thing that is done is "if you show signs of homosexuality then give that person everything they need to continue in that lifestyle". If that is the case then both sides should be presented to the minor so they can make an informed decision.

 

[seeking.IAM]

The problem is conversion therapy is too often coercive. The desire for therapy is driven by others, not by the person receiving the so-called therapy. At its worst, it becomes an attempt at de-programming dressed up as a therapeutic service. Of course, the fact that its efficacy is not supported by outcomes is yet another problem. While the professional organizations and the vast majority of therapists are against it, it will be interesting to see what SCOTUS does as the country swings right.

 

[RileyG]

The problem is conversion therapy is too often coercive. The desire for therapy is driven by others, not by the person receiving the so-called therapy. At its worst, it becomes an attempt at de-programming dressed up as a therapeutic service. Of course, the fact that its efficacy is not supported by outcomes is yet another problem. While the professional organizations and the vast majority of therapists are against it, it will be interesting to see what SCOTUS does as the country swings right.

It’s sort of like asking a straight person asking if they can force themselves to be attracted to the same sex. I won’t comment further, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.

 

[bèlla]

It’s sort of like asking a straight person asking if they can force themselves to be attracted to the same sex. I won’t comment further, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.

We have a lot of work to do in this area and much needed honesty as we. Many people who’ve had same-sex attractions and gone on to marry openly admit they didn’t depart. Learning how to live with it in light of one’s beliefs is the greater issue.

~bella

 

[seeking.IAM]

It’s sort of like asking a straight person asking if they can force themselves to be attracted to the same sex. I won’t comment further, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.

Exactly. That has been my contention all along. As therapists go, I consider myself more experienced and better than average. I don't have the know how or words to get a straight person to change their sexual orientation. It would be pretty arrogant of me to think that I can help a gay person change theirs -- even more so if it is because their dad or their pastor thinks they need to change, rather than thinking it themselves.