How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

[Always in His Presence]

He's paying too much.

it could be 300% higher - like in Australia


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For the 2025 financial year, the personal income tax rates for Australian residents are as follows: 0% for income up to $18,200, 16% for income between $18,201 and $45,000, and 32.5% for income between $45,001 and $120,000. Income over $120,000 is taxed at higher rates, reaching up to 45% for income over $190,000, not including the Medicare levy of 2%​

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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

and I'm paying too much!

Here is a challenge:

Name a country that has 'free' health care that has a personal income tax at the same level or lower than the US.

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

 

[Desk trauma]

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

Were you under the impression anyone involved in this thread was unaware of that?

 

[dogs4thewin]

I don't know why the aversion to free healthcare, i mean the prices of treatments in usa seem too high, but if poor countries can have free healthcare sure usa can too.

There is no such thing as free anything it is paid for one way or another.

 

[BCP1928]

Sorry for the bad link.
Michelle Obama fights GOP attempts to weaken school nutrition rules - CBS News Michelle Obama fights GOP attempts to weaken school nutrition rules

The link about the GOP encouraging smoking in the Capitol is factual.

The real reason Michele Obama's school lunch initiative was scuppered was that the three big food service companies that supply most school lunches didn't like it.

it could be 300% higher - like in Australia


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For the 2025 financial year, the personal income tax rates for Australian residents are as follows: 0% for income up to $18,200, 16% for income between $18,201 and $45,000, and 32.5% for income between $45,001 and $120,000. Income over $120,000 is taxed at higher rates, reaching up to 45% for income over $190,000, not including the Medicare levy of 2%​

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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

and I'm paying too much!

Here is a challenge:

Name a country that has 'free' health care that has a personal income tax at the same level or lower than the US.

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

Yes indeed, and despite the denials from the Left, the Sun rises in the east and sets in the west. It looks like you will have to explain that to them, too.

 

[Desk trauma]

Hey, when’s that repeal and replace thing happening?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Anyone who thinks quitting smoking or illegal drugs is easy has no clue what they are talking about.

and anyone who does not realize that in many cases use of illegal drugs or abuse of prescription drugs did not start with medical need has been living under a rock for decades. I am not saying that is the case for everyone who abuses drugs ( although what is the case is it is not easy to quit and in some cases can be fatal to try to do so without medical supervision.

 

[wing2000]

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[dogs4thewin]

The solution is easy ... stop behaving irresponsibly. The task to do so is arduous.

Well, maybe so but you cannot just say quit say that is simple because it is not addiction does not work that way whether it is smoking, drinking/drugs food whatever it is Telling people to quit and expecting that to do so just overnight is just for the vast majority of people not how it works. Not to mention that depending on what is at issue and how addicted a person is doing so without medical supervision could prove fatal a LOT quicker than not quitting will.

 

[BCP1928]

and anyone who does not realize that in many cases use if illegal drugs or abuse of prescription drugs did not start with medical need has been living under a rock for decades. I am not saying that is the case for everyone who abuses drugs ( although what is the case is it is not easy to quit and in some cases can be fatal to try to do so without medical supervision.

Fentanyl, our big problem right now, was introduced to us by the medical profession on behalf of big pharma, who make big bucks selling it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Fentanyl, our big problem right now, was introduced to us by the medical profession on behalf of big pharma, who make big bucks selling it.

and it also can be a VERY effective at managing pain when used in a medical setting (particularly at the end of life.)

 

[Desk trauma]

Fentanyl, our big problem right now, was introduced to us by the medical profession on behalf of big pharma, who make big bucks selling it.

Unlike heroin (TM Bayer 1898).

 

[BCP1928]

Unlike heroin (TM Bayer 1898).

The sad thing is that it was introduced as a cure for opium addiction.

 

[RDKirk]

it could be 300% higher - like in Australia


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For the 2025 financial year, the personal income tax rates for Australian residents are as follows: 0% for income up to $18,200, 16% for income between $18,201 and $45,000, and 32.5% for income between $45,001 and $120,000. Income over $120,000 is taxed at higher rates, reaching up to 45% for income over $190,000, not including the Medicare levy of 2%​

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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

and I'm paying too much!

Here is a challenge:

Name a country that has 'free' health care that has a personal income tax at the same level or lower than the US.

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

First, you're talking about the entire Australian tax rate, not just the portion going to healthcare.

Second, comparing total tax rates between nations requires a lot closer look. In the US we have multiple taxing domains, many people having state income taxes and even local income taxes. By the time all those are calculated for many Americans, their total tax rate might be quite high. I don't know what the total Australian income tax burden is, but until you know and calculate it, your comparison is invalid.

 

[Larniavc]

There is no such thing as free anything it is paid for one way or another.

Yeah but some people in this very thread appear to want to keep having to pay much more than other countries for comparable results.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yeah but some people in this very thread appear to want to keep having to pay much more than other countries for comparable results.

Freedom isn’t free!

 

[MotoToTheMax]

it could be 300% higher - like in Australia


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For the 2025 financial year, the personal income tax rates for Australian residents are as follows: 0% for income up to $18,200, 16% for income between $18,201 and $45,000, and 32.5% for income between $45,001 and $120,000. Income over $120,000 is taxed at higher rates, reaching up to 45% for income over $190,000, not including the Medicare levy of 2%​

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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

and I'm paying too much!

Here is a challenge:

Name a country that has 'free' health care that has a personal income tax at the same level or lower than the US.

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

Using the numbers you quoted here, how much tax would be paid on let's say, $600k exactly of income? Show us how you calculate it please.

 

[o_mlly]

Sorry for the bad link.
Michelle Obama fights GOP attempts to weaken school nutrition rules - CBS News Michelle Obama fights GOP attempts to weaken school nutrition rules

The link about the GOP encouraging smoking in the Capitol is factual.

Thanks for the correct source. This CBS News 2014 article reports on a bill (?) to cut back funding for SNAP. I could not find a report on the vote outcome for the bill. Those legislators (on both sides) who opposed the original bill cited waste and fallout in participation as reasons. Largely, those outcomes came to be true. Child obesity, however, continues to increase. Anecdotally, my sister who teaches in public school, laments the amount of waste on the food trays being returned. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Seems the same truism applies to children.

Allowing smoking is not the equivalent of promoting smoking.

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[o_mlly]

Well, maybe so but you cannot just say quit say that is simple because it is not addiction does not work that way whether it is smoking, drinking/drugs food whatever it is Telling people to quit and expecting that to do so just overnight is just for the vast majority of people not how it works. Not to mention that depending on what is at issue and how addicted a person is doing so without medical supervision could prove fatal a LOT quicker than not quitting will.

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here. But, yes, it's hard to quit. After rotator cuff repair, I was on morphine, followed by oxycodone, followed by hydrocodone. Coming off those pain killers took time, prayer, and the grace of perseverance. Praise God!

Those who are addicted to illegal drugs are often imo trying to avoid the suffering involved with the fallen condition of humanity. Go to church and pray first. It's free.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

I'm not into socialism, so 0%.
Taxpayers already pay enough taxes as is..
Here's an idea for those who are for free universal healthcare...if the gov't wasn't so big, some of the money may go to that.
But either way, not a fan of socialism.
Another idea...maybe those who might be in a bind some on medical care should forgo cellphone purchases/plans, getting nails done, drinking alcohol, eating out, satellite tv plans, vacations, etc. I've had to forgo some of these things at times in life and I didn't suffer due to lack of them.
Also, some medical facilities are willing to work with people and let them make payments.

@Always in His Presence How would you answer your post question?

 

[Desk trauma]

Here's an idea for those who are for free universal healthcare...if the gov't wasn't so big, some of the money may go to that.

How do you figure?

But either way, not a fan of socialism.
Another idea...maybe those who might be in a bind some on medical care should forgo cellphone purchases/plans, getting nails done, drinking alcohol, eating out, satellite tv plans, vacations, etc.

Only works if it’s avocado toast.