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Lol I think this is silly that everything is termed in political ideologies. If you like a welfare system that looks after the basic health of its citizens which is a human right its now socialism. If you believe in traditional marriage its now radical nationalism.
What I wrote is a parody, a vision of your country as seen by a US conservative.
Don't get me wrong, we have a private health care system as well and people if they want can opt in and out. But basic health needs are supported by the government. I would have thought that a basic commonsense and duty of care really for any humane society. It does not mean its socialist. It just means your a decent human society lol.
No, to US conservatives it just means socialist tyranny. Resistance to socialism is more important than human health for a true MAGA conservative.
I lived in England and they had a similar system. I mean everyone pays a basic levy for funding the health system. England had a higher levy but that included dentistry and basic needs for mums and babies ect. Its not socialism but a basic right.

Are you serious. The commentary you are giving of my own country is completely some other country. We only had a conservative givernment in a few years ago lol. The States have different sides of politics in power. Where I live in Qld there is a conservative government in and its certainly not pushing any socialist agenda lol. Quite the opposite. Trying to undo the the Leftist ideas like open borders and all that.
What about more dangerous leftist ideas like single payer health care? Are your conservatives not trying to undo that? What about gun control?
Many conservatives here would say that if you had been able to keep your guns you could have prevented the socialists for imposing single payer health care on you in the first place.
Governments come and god. The US just had a socialist leaning government and now its a conservative one. Europe nations are moving in and out of socialist and conservative governments.

Generally speaking there has been a polarisation and radicalisation of the Left and Right. The extremes coming to the center. Thats why you hear of Left ideas like Marxism and dismantling the western colonial oppressive system. On the other side restoring the traditions and national identity. Its becoming like a war.

Yes like the Dems were and still are doing lol. Cultivating antisemetism. Growing the culture war that the revolution must rise up to destroy the oppressors. We must have equal outcomes for all so the oppressed must rise up to stop this evil even if that means violence. .
That's better, now you are sounding like a true Conservative.
 
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Thank you, I still love you :crossrc:.
for what its worth, my mom was raised catholic and i know that part of herself even in her old age:


still believes mothers should die with their miscarriages. I wish i was making this up.
 
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What I wrote is a parody, a vision of your country as seen by a US conservative.
Ok so a relative view from a different position to those actually living in the culture. Sort of the same thing that some Americans use to think that Kangaroos were jumping down the main streets of Sydney lol.
No, to US conservatives it just means socialist tyranny. Resistance to socialism is more important than human health for a true MAGA conservative.
Believe me the radical socialism is greater in the US and parts of Europe. It has been a rising ideology in recent times as a reaction to western colonialism and all the cis norms lol. To bring about a DEI utopia.

Australia is well behind the world inb that sense. Certainly not legislating DEI and Trans ideology in policies. Though Trump is undoing a lot of that. We have not even reached that point and now that the US is leading the way in refuting such ideology

I don't think Australia will ever develop a more bobust socialist State. In fact I predict as the US that the conservatives along with the National parties will be in government in the next few years. As the world realises the agenda of this ideology that is divide the world.
What about more dangerous leftist ideas like single payer health care? Are your conservatives not trying to undo that? What about gun control?
We dealt with gun control years ago thanks to the conservatives and this has stood the test. We banned all guns except for licenced holders for farming and sports and they have to be vetted. But we don't have the high gun ownership on the streets to warrent that people get guns to protect themselves.

I am not sure what single pater health care is. Is that (you don't get health care unless you can pay for it at the counter). If so no, we have also had from decades national health cover for everyone no matter who they are. Though there is a threshold for the wealthy where they have to pay a premium to help cover the national cover. Its about 2 to 3% of income and then additional premiums. But those on welfare don't pay anything.

This was a labor thing. This is what labor were good at, welfare. But the secuirity and law and order and borders and fical management as far as business enterprise rather than restrictions and taxes on business was the leberal Nationals and Conservative parties. Who are now aligned. Liberal as in market and enterprise and not liberation or liberal ideology.

I would say this is a a general split of all Left and Right sides of the spectrum. They will vary is radicalism and may merge with other ideas. But broadly speaking this is the conflict that is happening across the world in western nations where radical socialism or Marxism and radical nationalism and freedom rights are clashing.
Many conservatives here would say that if you had been able to keep your guns you could have prevented the socialists for imposing single payer health care on you in the first place.
No I am glad labor is there to balance the ideas. One is more concerned with social welfare and the other with enterprise and merit. Bith are needed in a society.

I think the general view was in the past when politics was not so polarised that there was more middle ground and the radicals were on the fringes and deemed out there and unreal. So both sides did not mind the opposing party having a turn as it sort of balanced things out.

But now its so extreme its like the other party will actually destroy democracy and is a dangerous threat. THis is the end result of the ideaologies that marched through the institutions. They made the political the personal and the personal the measure of reality.
That's better, now you are sounding like a true Conservative.
Lol I like how every position or belief or peoples observations of the world and reality is reduced down to political ideologies. If you believe this your a conservative or that and your a dem.

Its just common sense observation. It doesn't have to be politicised. A cultural and sociological observation of what is happening in a society. Pointing out how ideology itself can cause a society to self destruct. Can cause people to believe unrealities and then showing what is reality and how we should be as a society which is usually somewhere in the middle. The truth that is.
 
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It should be uncontroversial to remove medically non viable pregnancies from a female body.

By all means take the dead bodies out of the womb and put them in the morgue.

Wombs are nice, but sometimes they misfire. Me and my brother were best 2 out of 5. It happens. Sometimes one gets the cancer before they were born, and a mortician is not a murderer. A cursory reading of Job 3 says that the stillborn are better than those who are born, for at least they do not have to endure suffering.
 
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I am not sure what single pater health care is. Is that (you don't get health care unless you can pay for it at the counter). If so no, we have also had from decades national health cover for everyone no matter who they are. Though there is a threshold for the wealthy where they have to pay a premium to help cover the national cover. Its about 2 to 3% of income and then additional premiums. But those on welfare don't pay anything.

Single payer healthcare = one party pays for all healthcare = government pays for all healthcare
 
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Single payer healthcare = one party pays for all healthcare = government pays for all healthcare
Thats the same thing then. Government pays for peoples healthcare. At least the basics if your own welfare like emergency care and necessary health care that requires operations ect.

I thought I had heard stories where people can turn up at a hospital and be turned away because they have no health cover.
 
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Ok so a relative view from a different position to those actually living in the culture. Sort of the same thing that some Americans use to think that Kangaroos were jumping down the main streets of Sydney lol.

Believe me the radical socialism is greater in the US and parts of Europe. It has been a rising ideology in recent times as a reaction to western colonialism and all the cis norms lol. To bring about a DEI utopia.
DEI has nothing to do with socialism or single payer health care.
Australia is well behind the world inb that sense. Certainly not legislating DEI and Trans ideology in policies. Though Trump is undoing a lot of that. We have not even reached that point and now that the US is leading the way in refuting such ideology
Nor does trans ideology.
I don't think Australia will ever develop a more bobust socialist State. In fact I predict as the US that the conservatives along with the National parties will be in government in the next few years. As the world realises the agenda of this ideology that is divide the world.

We dealt with gun control years ago thanks to the conservatives and this has stood the test. We banned all guns except for licenced holders for farming and sports and they have to be vetted. But we don't have the high gun ownership on the streets to warrent that people get guns to protect themselves.
Your conservatives supported gun control?
I am not sure what single payer health care is. Is that (you don't get health care unless you can pay for it at the counter). If so no, we have also had from decades national health cover for everyone no matter who they are. Though there is a threshold for the wealthy where they have to pay a premium to help cover the national cover. Its about 2 to 3% of income and then additional premiums. But those on welfare don't pay anything.
Single payer just means that a single entity will cover your health care costs--the government, usually. The term is used in contrast with our present system where there are numerous insurance companies to interact with.
This was a labor thing. This is what labor were good at, welfare. But the secuirity and law and order and borders and fical management as far as business enterprise rather than restrictions and taxes on business was the leberal Nationals and Conservative parties. Who are now aligned. Liberal as in market and enterprise and not liberation or liberal ideology.

I would say this is a a general split of all Left and Right sides of the spectrum. They will vary is radicalism and may merge with other ideas. But broadly speaking this is the conflict that is happening across the world in western nations where radical socialism or Marxism and radical nationalism and freedom rights are clashing.

No I am glad labor is there to balance the ideas. One is more concerned with social welfare and the other with enterprise and merit. Bith are needed in a society.

I think the general view was in the past when politics was not so polarised that there was more middle ground and the radicals were on the fringes and deemed out there and unreal. So both sides did not mind the opposing party having a turn as it sort of balanced things out.

But now its so extreme its like the other party will actually destroy democracy and is a dangerous threat. THis is the end result of the ideaologies that marched through the institutions. They made the political the personal and the personal the measure of reality.

Lol I like how every position or belief or peoples observations of the world and reality is reduced down to political ideologies. If you believe this your a conservative or that and your a dem.

Its just common sense observation. It doesn't have to be politicised. A cultural and sociological observation of what is happening in a society. Pointing out how ideology itself can cause a society to self destruct. Can cause people to believe unrealities and then showing what is reality and how we should be as a society which is usually somewhere in the middle. The truth that is.
It sounds like you didn't make the mistakes we did. What happened is that we bundled too many issues together. The culture war issues--DEI, CRT, LGBT, etc. with the economic and foreign policy issues. There is no room at all in our system for, say, a pro-life politician who favors gun control.
 
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for what its worth, my mom was raised catholic and i know that part of herself even in her old age:


still believes mothers should die with their miscarriages. I wish i was making this up.
God bless you for your courage to stand up for innocent lives (including the mother). I'm sorry if I offended you with my words. The whole story saddens me. Years ago, alot of woman had a different view on life (and I shouldn't say just women, men did too; it was heroic to die for one's country or family or God). I hope and pray all goes well for you in your life :).
 
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It wouldn't matter even if they were charged, they are a religious non-profit and are being relentlessly pursued. The mainstream press does a poor job of covering attacks against Christian groups and causes. It would not surprise me if such attacks go on till the end of time. Think of all of that money wasted going after just one group that could have been used for good causes. Yet there are many who demand the sisters much conform to their ideology instead of following God;s Word:
These two situations are both cases of attacks against religious freedom.
The little sisters should have been left alone. Period. End of discussion. Obama should apologize for attacking and constantly harassing them while he was in office.

SMH
 
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It should be uncontroversial to remove medically non viable pregnancies from a female body.

By all means take the dead bodies out of the womb and put them in the morgue.

Wombs are nice, but sometimes they misfire. Me and my brother were best 2 out of 5. It happens. Sometimes one gets the cancer before they were born, and a mortician is not a murderer. A cursory reading of Job 3 says that the stillborn are better than those who are born, for at least they do not have to endure suffering.
I don’t disagree at all. It’s just standard medical care …
 
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None. Their religious life is based on begging and taking care of the elderly.
Then what do they have to do with a public business (the hospital discussed in the thread)?
 
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DEI has nothing to do with socialism or single payer health care.
Hard socialism is Marxism and that is exactly the DEI ideology. The 'E; representing 'Equity'. That is that there should be equal outcomes for all. Classic socialism.
Nor does trans ideology.
Believe it or not in a strange way it is related. Thats why we see Queers for Palestine and Hamas. Everyone is a victim of the Colonialist and white supremicists and cis norms of the oppressors. Its all part of the Marxist ideology that the more extreme Left adheres to.

Thats why Gretta turned her attention for the bad whites who are polluting the world to the Palestinian andf Hamas cause. Its all related and all seen as oppression of the minorities by the elites and colonialists and all very Marxist and socialist.
Your conservatives supported gun control?
Heck yeah they brought the laws in. John Howard then conservative prime minister in 1994 brought in gun laws and had a massive buy back on guns.
Single payer just means that a single entity will cover your health care costs--the government, usually. The term is used in contrast with our present system where there are numerous insurance companies to interact with.
Single payer sounds silly anyway. If you restrict the payer to one payer then they have a monopoly and can charge what they want. Whereas allowing the government or competition in the market for any health insurances pushes the costs down.

Anyway you seem to have similar national health cover. So anyone can go into a hospital emergency and get help.
It sounds like you didn't make the mistakes we did. What happened is that we bundled too many issues together. The culture war issues--DEI, CRT, LGBT, etc. with the economic and foreign policy issues. There is no room at all in our system for, say, a pro-life politician who favors gun control.
Thats the problem then. You are breaching your own long held principles of freedom of speech and religious belief. Guns is a different issue and one for the US that goes back to their pioneering days. Its in their DNA regardless of political or religious affiliations and a hard thing to remove.
 
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It wouldn't matter even if they were charged, they are a religious non-profit and are being relentlessly pursued. The mainstream press does a poor job of covering attacks against Christian groups and causes. It would not surprise me if such attacks go on till the end of time. Think of all of that money wasted going after just one group that could have been used for good causes. Yet there are many who demand the sisters much conform to their ideology instead of following God;s Word:
These two situations are both cases of attacks against religious freedom.
And the temperatures rising. More Christian places are being attacked. The dems were always descriminating against Christian and conservative targets in their rhetoric and abuse of power.

Any little hiccup by good Christian organisation is blown up into the worst hoors. While they overseer millions or murders of innocents in the womb. What hypocrites. God will judge them in the end.
 
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Then what do they have to do with a public business (the hospital discussed in the thread)?
I think it’s for those employers who work for houses that are run by the sisters NOT a public hospital. The sisters weren’t forced to cover contraceptives or sterilizations.
 
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I think it’s for those employers who work for houses that are run by the sisters NOT a public hospital. The sisters weren’t forced to cover contraceptives or sterilizations.
None of which is the topic of this thread. I don't care about any nuns.
 
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None of which is the topic of this thread. I don't care about any nuns.
Correct. It was just an anecdote some other posters have mentioned.
 
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