The Lost House of Israel

[BelieveItOarKnot]

What Paul and many other Prophesies do say; is that of Jewish Israel - Only a remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27

The fine print rules:

Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Doesn't preclude or eliminate Paul's quite factual statement that ALL of Israel shall be saved, even enemies of the Gospel, Romans 11:26-32

Again, your theory is busted.

WHY is all of Israel saved? Because they are God's children, blinded for us by God as they may presently be. Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9, Romans 11:8, Mark 4:15

Were it any other way we could only conclude that God burns His own children alive forever, which you have to admit is a horrific belief. But people take on that darkness into themselves consistently, regardless of the facts.

I could provide dozens of Bible Prophesies that describe the general demise of Jewish Israel. - Prophecy about the people in Jerusalem: -

Israel is a deep subject, not meant for amateurs.

I would liken them in many ways to the natural man or first man, the carnal man, the flesh man, the way we all start off, blinded by the god of this world, incognizant of our state of subjectivity to internal evil and our adversary, the tempter.

 

[keras]

Israel is a deep subject, not meant for amateurs.

Not so. We have the Bible and in that God inspired Book, we are very plainly told that while God did choose a people, they;- the Jewish House of Judah, did keep the record of how God helped them, [the Torah] and provided the right situation for Jesus to be on earth and give His Gospel Message.
But because the Jews rejected and killed Jesus, the Kingdom was taken from them. Matthew 21:43

NOW - Paul states with absolute authority, how ethnicity has no further value, Ephesians 2:11-18
Any ideas of a special Jewish redemption because of their [supposed] racial inheritance, are wrong and contradict the Bible.

Jesus stated:- Bring those who did not want Me for their King and slaughter them before Me. Luke 19:27
Many Prophesies say how the Lord intends to Judge and punish all the inhabitants of the Holy Land area. Zechariah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 12:14
Just a Holy Seed will survive; Isaiah 6:11-13

Because they are God's children

WE Christian's are Gods children, and His sheep. Jesus and the Apostles made that clear.
There are not 2 peoples of God. John 17:23

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

But because the Jews rejected and killed Jesus, the Kingdom was taken from them. Matthew 21:43

Classic example of a blinded observation followed by a wrong conclusion. Sad part is you can't see it.

So let's do a simple yes, no exercise:

Are ALL of Israel God's children?

And if yes, did He blow it? And get forced into a corner to burn Hus children alive forever or eternally annihilated them?

Just the simple stuff ^^^

 

[keras]

Are ALL of Israel God's children?

Rather obviously not. People from every tribe, race, nation and language..... 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10
We know from Romans 9:27, that Israel is as numerous as the sands of the sea and 1 Peter 1:1 and James 1:1 both send greetings to the Twelve Tribes, scattered abroad.
The Jews alone do not fit either of these criteria.

The truth, that God has kept hidden from general knowledge, is that the ten Northern tribes, taken to the Caucasus region by Assyria did not remain there and they migrated across Europe, Jeremiah 31:21, they now comprise most of the Western peoples and have become the Christian nations.
That God’s Plan to have a people that bear the proper fruit; as the Jews rejected Him, Matthew 21:43, HAS been successful and that Western Christians are mostly Israelites: actual descendants of Jacob, is nothing short of miraculous and shows God’s amazing Plan of sending Jesus to be our Redeemer and Saviour, to be God’s fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, Acts 7:37
Note: that Jesus came to be our Redeemer. To redeem someone means to reinstate them, to buy them back again from a fallen state.

Our destiny as born again Christians, is to be the people God has never had, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, Acts 1:8 and displaying His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14 It will be our privilege and our honour, as He showers His Spirit and His Blessings upon His righteous people, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Revelation 7:9

The acceptance of the Gospel by some Jews like Paul means that their apostasy is not total. But the bulk of the ethnic Christian Israel of God are His people who have forgotten their ancestry. In the end times, their eyes will be opened and their ears unstopped; Isaiah 32:3-4 All the true righteous and faithful Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, will be citizens of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the holy Land, but in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, the majority will be the actual descendants of Jacob. Amos 9:9, Jeremiah 50:4-7

As Paul asserts: in the end "all Israel will be saved.” That is: every ethnic Israelite faithful to God, will enter the holy Land, accompanied by every faithful Christian Gentile, all members of the Israel of God, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ephesians 2:1-18, but ALL who reject Him will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Hebrews 10:26-27

 

[Dan Perez]

John 3:6 (KJV)​

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

And how can. you explain. what BORN. of. the SPIRIT REALLY MEANS ??

And. in verse 5. it says :

# 1 JESUS //. IOUUS. , is. in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGULAR

# 2. ANSWERED. //. APOKRINOMIA , in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the MIDDLE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , mean

you better believe it

# 3 VERILY //. AMEN

# 4. I. SAY //. LEGO. , in. the PRESENT TENSE. , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , in. the SINGULAR

# 5 UNTO THEE //. SOI. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE. PRONOUN , in. the Dative case , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 EXCEPT // ME , is. a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE ,

# 7 A. MAN //. TIS is. a INDEFINITE PRONOUN. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 8. BE BORN. / GENNAO. , in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE. , in. a SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 9 OF // is. a PREPOISTION

# 10. WATER // HYDOR , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR , in. the NEUTER

# 11 AND // KAI , is. a CONJUNCATION

# 12. OF. THE SPIRIT // PNEUMA. in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR , in. the NEUTER

# 13. HE CANNOT //. DYNAMAI. , is. in. the PRESENT TENSE , MIDDLE VOICE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD

in. the SIGNULAR

# 14 ENTER // EISERCHAMAI , is. an AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE ,

# 15 INTO // EIS is a PERPOSTION

# 16. THE // HO , is. a DEFINITE ARTICLE , is an. ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR.

# 17. KINGDOM // BASILEIA is in. th ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGULAR

# 18. OF GOD //. THEOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR


AND MY QUESTION. is HOW are you BORN OF WATER. ??

dan p

 

[johansen]

The fine print rules:

Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Doesn't preclude or eliminate Paul's quite factual statement that ALL of Israel shall be saved, even enemies of the Gospel, Romans 11:26-32

Again, your theory is busted.

WHY is all of Israel saved? Because they are God's children, blinded for us by God as they may presently be. Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9, Romans 11:8, Mark 4:15

paul also says there is no jew nor greek, male or female.

he also believed the return would be in his lifetime, so the partial hardening he thought would not lead to death.. but 2000 years later in order for "all israel" to be saved, you have to believe in continuous re-incarnation until they all come to salvation.

this is something... many jews believe to this day, and was common in the days of Jesus.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Rather obviously not.

Well, there's the rub, ain't it?

When I cited for examples, Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9 (and there are many likewise) showing that "scriptures state" all of Israel are God's children and thusly ALL are saved, Romans 11:26-32, it was precisely to hone in on just one flaw that sent your end time ship askew in the wind.

People from every tribe, race, nation and language..... 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10
We know from Romans 9:27, that Israel is as numerous as the sands of the sea and 1 Peter 1:1 and James 1:1 both send greetings to the Twelve Tribes, scattered abroad.
The Jews alone do not fit either of these criteria.

Not saying Israel alone. That was never the mention. Paul and orthodoxy in general take it that all people are technically God's children, from Acts 17:28-29 for example.

The truth, that God has kept hidden from general knowledge, is that the ten Northern tribes, taken to the Caucasus region by Assyria did not remain there and they migrated across Europe, Jeremiah 31:21, they now comprise most of the Western peoples and have become the Christian nations.

Yeah, well, their fleshly genetics really isn't the point whatsoever.

God came to save people. Not some. ALL.

That God’s Plan to have a people that bear the proper fruit; as the Jews rejected Him, Matthew 21:43, HAS been successful and that Western Christians are mostly Israelites:

Perhaps if you want to play allegory/parable/similitude/figures/types, yes. I'd agree not only Western Christians, but ALL people could be considered technical Israelites, spiritually, per 1 John 4:7 for example.

But this genetic kick you side lined off too is really pretty worthless.

actual descendants of Jacob, is nothing short of miraculous and shows God’s amazing Plan of sending Jesus to be our Redeemer and Saviour, to be God’s fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, Acts 7:37
Note: that Jesus came to be our Redeemer. To redeem someone means to reinstate them, to buy them back again from a fallen state.

Our destiny as born again Christians, is to be the people God has never had,

You should preface every statement you make by disclosing if you are speaking genetically or not.

IF not then this whole genetic line thing is a moot and meaningless point.

His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, Acts 1:8 and displaying His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14 It will be our privilege and our honour, as He showers His Spirit and His Blessings upon His righteous people, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Revelation 7:9

Yeah, well, that can not happen until a very certain thing transpires within everyone. You see we all have this pesky little issue called evil, sin and death. The evil/sin component remains to this day within everyone. Romans 3:9 for example. Romans 3:19. Paul applies this specifically to himself in Romans 7, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 Tim. 1:15, etc.

The acceptance of the Gospel by some Jews like Paul means that their apostasy is not total. But the bulk of the ethnic Christian Israel of God are His people who have forgotten their ancestry.

Paul shows us in Romans 11

In the end times, their eyes will be opened and their ears unstopped; Isaiah 32:3-4 All the true righteous and faithful Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, will be citizens of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the holy Land, but in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, the majority will be the actual descendants of Jacob. Amos 9:9, Jeremiah 50:4-7

I doubt that this is going to be a tiny dot of physical land issue either, quite frankly. Were everyone to crowd into Israel there would be a real elbow room issue, unless God plans on miniaturizing us all.

As Paul asserts: in the end "all Israel will be saved.” That is: every ethnic Israelite faithful to God, will enter the holy Land,

I've already shown the above to be false. ALL of Israel is inclusive of enemies of the Gospel. So this means a couple basic points. It means all of Israel past, present and future. And it means ALL of them. ALL. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob included. All the kings, all the people, etc etc.

accompanied by every faithful Christian Gentile, all members of the Israel of God, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ephesians 2:1-18, but ALL who reject Him will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Hebrews 10:26-27

As stated prior, you are very bent on external physical. Really the opposite direction that scripture points to. We know the kingdom is within, Luke 17:21

It is there that the claim is staked.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

paul also says there is no jew nor greek, male or female.

Very good!

he also believed the return would be in his lifetime, so the partial hardening he thought would not lead to death.. but 2000 years later in order for "all israel" to be saved, you have to believe in continuous re-incarnation until they all come to salvation.

It's called "resurrection." And yes, for all people, past, present and future.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

We will all be joined to the Body of Christ.

this is something... many jews believe to this day, and was common in the days of Jesus.

It was the pharisee sect that believed in resurrection iirc. Sadducee sect, not.

But yes, definitely part of the Christian Hope.