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Nothing here proves that the Law was given before Moses. Keeping the way of the lord was not even what saved Abraham but only his faith saved him (Rom. 4:2-4).
Abraham was indeed a Noachide, however the 4th commandment of the Mosaic law was not part of the Noachide law. The Noachide laws included include prohibitions against idolatry, murder, theft, sexual immorality, blasphemy, and eating a limb from a live animal, along with the positive command to establish courts of law. Also these laws did not appear until after the flood. These laws are not the same as those given to the Jews during Moses time but a precursor to them.
No it is not.
No they are not the Same. Israel's law was for them.
Yes because he was saved by his faith not by his works(Rom. 4:1-3).
I’m still clueless as to what it is that your argument is. My arguments with the previous poster was about the 4th commandment but you seem to be arguing something else.No it is not.
No they are not the Same. Israel's law was for them.
Courts of Justice
Moses Father in law, a Gentile knew a few things about setting up a justice system.
12 And Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses’ father in law before God.
13 ¶ And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
14 And when Moses’ father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws. {one … : Heb. a man and his fellow }
17 And Moses’ father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.
18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. {Thou wilt … : Heb. Fading thou wilt fade }
19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
The nations were Judged for their sin by Israel.
Deu 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.
Listing of some of the nations sins. Won't list, too long.
Le 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Le 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
Le 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Paul tells us in Gal 3:17 that the law came 430 years after Abraham. Is he wrong?
Read it again. . .it's not about the "deceitfulness of sin," it's about failure to enter into full-time salvation rest in the work of Jesus Christ (just as Israel failed to enter into Canaan rest), rather than rest in one's own works of the law to save, it's about failure to remain in gospel rest for salvation and returning to the law.
The deceitfulness of sin (1John3:4 James 2:11) is thinking one is not breaking God's commandments, when they are. Like coming up with creative ways not to obey one of God's commandments the way He said, and then trying to convince oneself its coming from God. Why its so deceitful. It sounds good to the ears. What we were warned would happen 2 Tim 4:3-4
Read it again. . .
When did God rest? God tells us when He rested, on the seventh day. Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen 2:1-3 Same day we are to, if we also enter His rest Heb4:10. Heb4:4 does not have full-time anywhere in that verse- you are adding your words to God's word Pro30:5-6 nor is the seventh day anything but what God of the Universe said it was His Sabbath, Exo 20:10 His and the holy day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13
Then you should be sticking with Heb 3:7-4:11.
God's seventh-day rest was a complete rest from all his work. . .that is the complete rest into which we enter in the NT Sabbath, i.e., Jesus Christ, where we rest from all our work to save and in his work which saves to the uttermost.
Heb 3:7-4:11 (as well as all the NT) is about failure to enter full-time (Heb 4:4) salvation rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ (just as Israel failed to enter Canaan rest), rather than relying on one's own works of the law to save. . .it's about failure to remain in gospel rest for salvation and returning to works of the law for salvation.
God rested from all his works on the Sabbath, just as we rest from all our works to save and in the works of Jesus, our full-time Sabbath (Mt 11:28), who saves to the uttermost (Heb 7:25).
