How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

[Desk trauma]

Waiting for the feigned ignorance of marginal tax rates and pretending any cost estimate for universal healthcare being in addition to what’s currently paid because reasons.

 

[Desk trauma]

What percentage of your income are you willing to give for life, so the nation can have ‘free’ healthcare?

I will pay 100% of the income from the admission I charge angels for dances held on the heads of pins.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Waiting for the feigned ignorance of marginal tax rates and pretending any cost estimate for universal healthcare being in addition to what’s currently paid because reasons.

Don't assume it's feigned.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Not only that, but by funding Israel’s war, (since money is fungible), the Israelis can have government provided healthcare!
That’s because Americans are “willing” to make the sacrifice to help save Israel, for some reasons, (I'm sure).

I'm unsure whether some Americans genuinely don't understand international politics and US foreign policy, or if they're being deliberately provocative when they make comments like, "Not sure why the US supports Israel, Ukraine, or defends Europe."

The United States’ support for Israel is guided primarily by the alignment of national interests rather than solely by benevolence. As the only democracy in the Middle East whose citizens substantially favor American interests, Israel plays a strategic role in regional policy. In similar fashion, U.S. investment in Ukraine—the commitment of billions of dollars—is not purely altruistic, but rooted in the perspective that an independent Ukraine contributes to American national objectives. This rationale also underpins the presence of 38 U.S. military bases across Europe. While these bases serve as a rapid response force in the event of an attack against Europe, the primary motivation for such significant investment is not sympathy, but the strategic imperative of defending key allies. Maintaining a free and democratic Europe is deemed essential to U.S. national security. Furthermore, the U.S. maintains military installations in the Philippines, Japan, South Korea, and Australia, supporting both the defense of allied states and the advancement of broader national interests.

If the US want to implement universal healthcare, it should identify alternative funding sources rather than reducing foreign aid or military expenditures. Curtailing foreign aid and diminishing American engagement in global affairs are not considered sound strategic policies for the nation.

 

[Fantine]

The most efficient cost-effective healthcare in the US is the VA, 100% federally funded. Administering Medicare is far cheaper than the 20% insurance companies take from the top. The VA is thr only agency that can negotiate drug prices, which makes a big difference.
If you live in a city of 100,000 like me, the biggest employers in your town are probably the hospitals and clinics.
After the ACA was enacted, there was more phenomenal growth.
Thousands of jobs are created with universal Healthcare. Thousands are laid off without it.
I would be willing to pay the same percentage as Canadians, whatever that is.
Do you know that ten years ago auto workers' healthcare added $2000 to the price of each new car?

 

[Desk trauma]

Don't assume it's feigned.

As many times as it has been explained here saying it’s feigned is the kindest interpretation.

 

[iluvatar5150]

As many times as it has been explained here saying it’s feigned is the kindest interpretation.

Oh, that I agree with. lol

 

[o_mlly]

Root problem:

• Science has extended human life.
• Elder humans require more health care than other demographics.
• The declining birth rates in the West has dramatically shifted the number of "contributors" to the number of "takers".
• Compounding the demand and supply shifts in funding health care, preventable risks like smoking, obesity, poor diet, and substance abuse place further demands funding on our health care system.

So, how much we are taxed or pay for the health care of all will not change the eventual outcome. But lifestyle changes and increasing birth rates would.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Not only that, but by funding Israel’s war, (since money is fungible), the Israelis can have government provided healthcare!
That’s because Americans are “willing” to make the sacrifice to help save Israel, for some reasons, (I'm sure).

Abortions too. Think of all the good Christians in America paying for Israeli abortions.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I don't know why the aversion to free healthcare, i mean the prices of treatments in usa seem too high, but if poor countries can have free healthcare sure usa can too.

Very good propaganda is the culprit.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Abortions too. Think of all the good Christians in America paying for Israeli abortions.

Israeli abortions means less Israelis.

 

[DaisyDay]

Soon we'll all have Medbeds or, at least, Medbed cards - problem solved!

 

[DaisyDay]

Israeli abortions means less Israelis.

Or, perhaps, fewer.

 

[BCP1928]

No such thing as free healthcare.

Free of the insurance company overhead? Sure there is.

 

[Desk trauma]

Free of the insurance company overhead? Sure there is.

The insurance overhead and all other costs of our current system are immutable and still need to be paid in addition to whatever a new system will cost or so I’m told in every thread on this subject.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Israeli abortions means less Israelis.

I have no problem with this arrangement. Just wondering why so many good Christians are in favor of abortions and free healthcare for Israelis but not for Americans.

 

[Larniavc]

What percentage of your income are you willing to give for life, so the nation can have ‘free’ healthcare?

In the UK it’s about 4.5% of take home pay.

 

[Larniavc]

In the UK, it's somewhere around 20%. That's fine, I wouldn't mind paying more if needed.

Are you sure? I worked it out as about 4.5%

 

[Larniavc]

This represents almost 35% of my income.

Crikey! That’s diabolical!

 

[RDKirk]

It would also be less if we could eliminate large chunks of the bureaucracy related to for-profit health insurance and billing.

It’s amazing how the “pro-efficiency” party never seems to care about all the bloat and dysfunction in that part of the medical supply chain and, instead, just focuses on the amount potentially paid by the government.

That is an entire multi-billion dollar billing industry that does nothing but move paper sideways.