Israel is losing Americans (support)

[ralliann]

Few days, lol.

Yep. A few days. The agreement was no more days now (3-4). So days, is the only option IMO.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yep. A few days. The agreement was no more days now (3-4). So days, is the only option IMO.

Hooray for indefinite occupation on the US dime.

 

[ralliann]

Hooray for indefinite occupation on the US dime.

That is not the deal. oversight of what goes in yes. Don't care either way

 

[Hentenza]

Those who support Israel do not condone killing, bombing, or harm to innocent lives; we oppose such actions, as well as starvation and poverty.

Strawman.

 

[Hentenza]

Perhaps I was speaking monolitically, but there are ABSOLUTELY posters in CF who've indicated they (at LEAST) passively condone it.

Strawman

 

[Hentenza]

Obviously, some people who support Israel do do condone the killing, bombing and harm to innocent lives - they excuse themselves by declaring that no Palestinian is innocent. I do not support this version of Israel nor do I support Hamas.

Trump supports Israel and the killings, etc.

Strawman

 

[ralliann]

I am gonna posit that Likud is as MUCH, if not MORE of a problem than Hamas.

Hamas is the cause of all this. Use their people as human sheilds, steal food, then give the footage of their deeds to gain sympathy. Want to stop it all? Get rid of radical terrorist government. As in DUH

 

[Desk trauma]

That is not the deal.

Subsidizing Israel, even when they’re running a surplus and we’re running a deficit, and no questions asked military support has been US policy for decades.

 

[ralliann]

Subsidizing Israel, even when they’re running a surplus and we’re running a deficit, has been US policy for decades.

And?

 

[Desk trauma]

And?

Hence my comment that the occupation is on the US dime.

 

[rambot]

Hamas is the cause of all this.

Awwww. Poor little powerless Israeli government. It had no choice but to brutalize 20x the number of citizens to peove a point.

Use their people as human sheilds,

Israel used them too

steal food,

What food? They block enough from going through.

They block water
They block electricity.
They block medical aid

And you think everyone ELSE believes propaganda.

As in DUH

Like, to the max?

 

[Hentenza]

Awwww. Poor little powerless Israeli government. It had no choice but to brutalize 20x the number of citizens to peove a point.

No. Hamas brutalized 20x to prove a point. No hamas no conflict. Thats like saying that millions of Japanese where killed because the US and allies attacked Japan. The attacker is guilty of all of it.

 

[Pommer]

What Matters is what Trump decides is right.

Yes, that always turns out well.

He knows if Hamas is not gotten rid of, and the acceptance of Israel as nation is not accepted, this will happen again and again...Just as it always has.

What if that takes killing 500,000 people?
(I do not think I’d be in favor of that.)

 

[rambot]

No. Hamas brutalized 20x to prove a point.

It's not fair for you to use arguments that are not based in reality

No hamas no conflict.

No netsnyahu no conflict
No idf no conflict
No american govt. Pumping trillions of dollars into Israel no conflict.

 

[Pommer]

It's not fair for you to use arguments that are not based in reality

No, it’s the “‘they started it!’ defense”.

Attack neighbor-B and whatever neighbor-B does to retaliate is “a-okay!”, if neighbor-B is one of the “good guys”.

Subsidizing Israel, even when they’re running a surplus and we’re running a deficit, and no questions asked military support has been US policy for decades.

Here and elsewhere I’ve heard that one of the the reasons we continue to fund Israel’s war-economy is to make sure that there’s an “Israel” for Jesus to come back to.
I’ve heard that He was bringing a whole new Jerusalem with Him; I’m sure that means that He’s be able to whip up a whole brand new Israel too…but I’m a heathen, what do I know?

 

[Pommer]

Trump just wants the destruction of Israel out if the Middle East.

Please clarify this prose, thanks!

That is what has caused all this mess from the beginning.

Why’s it “our mess”, though?

If this ends less than peaceful, it is because of people that won't accept peace at all costs.

How dare people fight for a land with a neighbor who strangles them economically?
The ingrates!

 

[Hentenza]

It's not fair for you to use arguments that are not based in reality




No netsnyahu no conflict
No idf no conflict
No american govt. Pumping trillions of dollars into Israel no conflict.

Hamas attacked Israel first on Oct. 7, 2023. If this attack would not have happened then the present war would not have happened. So make an argument based on reality.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

That seems a stupid plan, but you never know with Trump. If he thought it would help him to the Peace Prize he would do it in a New York minute. But that would be for afters. Right now the fighting has to stop and in order to do that you have to deal with the people who are actually doing the fighting. Trying to find a more sympathetic leader who might go on be elected in hypothetical elections some time after the fighting has stopped begins to sound like an excuse to keep fighting. What authority would he have to have to order HAMAS to stop fighting? Why should HAMAS obey him?

If the IDF leaves Gaza today, it will not make any difference for Palestinians in Gaza. Saying "fighting needs to stop" overlooks that if the IDF leaves Gaza, conflict is likely to persist—just involving different groups and interests. Hamas will hold Gaza until they are fully defeated. Peace will only come if Hamas surrenders and gives up their weapons.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Don’t matter how I feel about it.There’s no alternative organization that could realistically win the power struggle at this time.

It sounds like: as long as the IDF leaves Gaza, it's acceptable for everyone that a terrorist organization govern Gaza.

 

[Desk trauma]

It sounds like: as long as the IDF leaves Gaza, it's acceptable for everyone that a terrorist organization govern Gaza.

What I find acceptable or unacceptable does not change that hamas has no opposition in its territory that’s capable of removing them from power currently.