John Piper warns against 'Christian' mysticism, seeking 'out-of-body connection' with supernatural powers

[chevyontheriver]

Did you read the article? That's not what Piper said.

Yes, of course I did. Why do you need to shut me up?

IMO, a "mystical experience," however defined, should not result in some kind of "hidden knowledge," but should point back always to what we know of the Lord already in scripture and in the long-standing practices of the Church,.

At least you do leave a tiny bit of room for Tradition in addition to Scripture I guess, while silencing God in the here and now. That kind of was my point.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes, of course I did. Why do you need to shut me up?

I didn't shut you up, I asked you a question. That's the opposite of shutting you up.

At least you do leave a tiny bit of room for Tradition in addition to Scripture I guess, while silencing God in the here and now. That kind of was my point.

What does "silencing God in the here and now" mean?

My wife and I have had tremendous mystical experiences with the Lord. And with some demons as well.

But they have not provided us with any "hidden knowledge," rather emphasized what the Church has always taught.

 

[RDKirk]

Scriptures, as they typically are read in western culture, are like reading about somebody, but a mystical experience are of a different kind: they typically do involve the perception of knowledge, just by their nature there is a noetic quality: often the experiences are "hyper-real" or "psychdelic". And usually difficult to describe or "ineffable". Often they are communicated in symbols or paradoxes and result in disorientation or reorientation in sense of self and personal narrative.

That was word salad.