The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[JesusFollowerForever]

Take it up with Jesus.

The New Covenant is a covenant of grace, not a covenant of law.

It is based on loving one another as Jesus loves us.

If you don't know what that is, I can't help you.

We shall speak no further, there is no point.

 

[Clare73]

We shall speak no further, there is no point.

Precisely. . .

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:
"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."
"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:
"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that instead of being written on stone, it would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.
Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:
"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:
"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.
Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law—the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are, just as they were placed inside the Ark.

Blessings

 

[Clare73]

Not based on the law?

God said:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Precisely. . .we are no longer governed by a written code but by our regenerated hearts on which is written more than just "do no harm,"
but whereon is written love one another as I have loved you.

All are free to live under the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) law, or by the New Covenant transcending law of Jesus Christ. . .love one another as I have loved you. (Jn 13:34)

I'm goin' with the New Covenant law of Jesus.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Precisely. . .we are no longer governed by a written code but by our regenerated hearts on which is written more than just "do no harm,"
but whereon is written love one another as I have loved you.

All are free to live under the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) law, or by the New Covenant transcending law of Jesus Christ. . .love one another as I have loved you. (Jn 13:34)

I'm goin' with the New Covenant law of Jesus.

I know you said you don't listen to the teaching of Jesus because He lived and taught "Old Covenant" which is pretty sad considering one will miss the warning He gave when we place our own written code in our heart, instead of God's law which Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and in doing so ones heart is far from Him and the path that leads those who teach not to keep God's commandments (Ten Commandments) and follow those teachings, into a ditch. No wonder why Jesus warned us about being accountable for our teachings with serious consequences again quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 5:19-30.

Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

For me, living by every Word of Jesus Christ who is God that became flesh I know through His Word and teachings He will only lead those who listen and follow on the narrow path back to Him Rev 22:14-15 Sad so many people believe His teachings are not for them. Guess it will sort itself out soon enough

 

[Clare73]

I know you said you don't listen to the teaching of Jesus

We are no longer governed by a written code but by our regenerated hearts on which is written more than just "do no harm,"
but whereon is written the new command: love one another as I have loved you. (Jn 13:34)

All are free to live under the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) law, or by the new command of the New Covenant transcending law of Jesus Christ.

I'm goin' with the new command of Jesus. It requires a lot more than the obsolete Old Covenant "do no harm."

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We are no longer governed by a written code but by our regenerated hearts on which is written more than just "do no harm,"
but whereon is written the new command: love one another as I have loved you. (Jn 13:34)

All are free to live under the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) law, or by the new command of the New Covenant transcending law of Jesus Christ.

I'm goin' with the New Covenant law of Jesus.

Good luck with having your own code in your heart. I hope it works out the way you hope it will. For me, I am going to stick with the teachings of Jesus Christ and keep God's law in my heart Heb 8:10 and trust He will only lead us to the narrow path back to Him Rev 22:14. Jesus told us what happens when we are without His law Mat 7:23 1 John 2:4 Rev 22:15- He gave us His commandments just as He loved us because He knows not keeping them separates us from Him Isa 59:2. He knows what's best for us 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 John 14:15, instead of us thinking we know better than our Creator.

 

[Clare73]

Good luck with having your own code in your heart.

You either believe the word of God in Heb 8:7-13, or you don't.

My God's arm is not too short for those of saving faith in his Son.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You either believe the word of God in Heb 8:7-13, or you don't.

My God's arm is not too short for those of saving faith in his Son.

I beleive all of God's Word.

God tells us the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 nothing about being established on better or new laws. The New Covenant still has God's law, now written on a better surface our hearts Heb 8:10

Yes, the Old Covenant is obsolete, the New Covenant established on better promises has God the one doing, He enabling us to keep His law by converting our stony hearts to hearts of flesh , giving us a new spirit Ezekiel 36:26 which cooperates with the Holy Spirit of Truth which through our love and faith in Jesus and willingness to submit to His will, He is the one enabling us to keep His commandments. John 14:15-18

If we are arguing against obeying God's law (His version Exo 20:6) that He wrote in our heart , I would consider asking Jesus to take away our stony heart so we want to and can obey Him, just like He told us to. God will not force His law on anyone, we have to accept what He does in our heart to change us re-creating us in His image abiding in Him John 15:10 following His example 1 John 2:6

We can always reject this

John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

This is not where I would want to be when Jesus comes. Today is the day to hear His voice Heb 3:7-8 and submit to His good will what He placed in our hearts because staying is rebellion will only separate us from God Isa 59:2 just as it did 1/3 of the angels, just as it did Adam and Eve.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Clare73]

I beleive all of God's Word.

God tells us the New Covenant is established on better promises

You either believe the word of God in Heb 8:7-13, or you don't.

My God's arm is not too short for those of saving faith in his Son.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You either believe the word of God in Heb 8:7-13, or you don't.

My God's arm is not too short for those of saving faith in his Son.

Looks like you left out some context of what the New Covenant is established on

Heb 8:6 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

We would be better served to look at what are those better promises instead of trying to create a whole new covenant established on better and new laws, when God said it has His law, now written in the heart and mind Heb 8:10

 

[Clare73]

Looks like you left out some context of what the New Covenant is established on

You either believe the word of God in Heb 8:7-13, or you don't.

My God's arm is not too short for those of saving faith in his Son.

 

[FredVB]

The new covenant is in effect because of the.old covenant, which showed there was to be the new covenant, with what was foreshadowed in it. There was the priesthood, because Christ who was the real priest being foreshadowed fulfilled it. There was sacrifices of creatures permitted because Christ the real sacrifice for effective atonement fulfilled it. There were ways to be made ritually clean because Christ in whom we can be washed in the way needed to come to God fulfilled them. None of this changes what is shown of God's will through commandments with God's mind changed. God does not change, from what was shown in the very beginning.

 

[Clare73]

The new covenant is in effect because of the.old covenant,

The New Covennt is in effect because of Jesus' declaration that it is so (Lk 22:20, 1 Co 11:25).

which showed there was to be the new covenant, with what was foreshadowed in it. There was the priesthood, because Christ who was the real priest being foreshadowed fulfilled it. There was sacrifices of creatures permitted because Christ the real sacrifice for effective atonement fulfilled it. There were ways to be made ritually clean because Christ in whom we can be washed in the way needed to come to God fulfilled them. None of this changes what is shown of God's will through commandments with God's mind changed. God does not change, from what was shown in the very beginning.

 

[RandyPNW]

I beleive all of God's Word.

God tells us the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 nothing about being established on better or new laws. The New Covenant still has God's law, now written on a better surface our hearts Heb 8:10

Yes, the Old Covenant is obsolete, the New Covenant established on better promises has God the one doing, He enabling us to keep His law by converting our stony hearts to hearts of flesh , giving us a new spirit Ezekiel 36:26 which cooperates with the Holy Spirit of Truth which through our love and faith in Jesus and willingness to submit to His will, He is the one enabling us to keep His commandments. John 14:15-18

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

We are always to "do" God's commandments, whether under the Old Covenant or under the New Covenant. God has not changed, but His laws certainly have, in view of the fact what Christ did renders requirements under the Old Covenant no longer necessary.

It is not just changing our heart, enabling us to "do" God's laws that turns the Old Covenant into the New Covenant. It is an actual change in covenants, along with a change in law. We read that in Jer 31...

Jer 31.31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,”
declares the Lord."

Since God does not change, both covenants required a change in heart, from stony heart to a heart of flesh, in order to be able to "do" God's Law. So, the New Covenant is no different from the Old Covenant in this regard. It is just stating that Israel's heart will be changed because prophetically we know that from Christ's death to now Israel's heart has been hardened. In order for their nation to be restored and enter into a New Covenant, their stony heart has to be change into a heart of flesh.

In other words, this change of heart is not included in the definition of a "new covenant." Rather, it is a prerequisite for Israel to enter into any covenant with God, and in this case, in the eschaton.

The difference stated between the covenants is that the New Covenant will *not* contain the same the same set of laws and provisions as those given at Sinai. We now know that by looking back at the early Church and recognizing that Paul dismissed the Law as a covenant entirely, along with Sabbath requirements, festivals, sacrifices, priestly requirements, temple requirements, cleansing requirements, etc. etc.

 

[RandyPNW]

The new covenant is in effect because of the.old covenant, which showed there was to be the new covenant, with what was foreshadowed in it. There was the priesthood, because Christ who was the real priest being foreshadowed fulfilled it. There was sacrifices of creatures permitted because Christ the real sacrifice for effective atonement fulfilled it. There were ways to be made ritually clean because Christ in whom we can be washed in the way needed to come to God fulfilled them. None of this changes what is shown of God's will through commandments with God's mind changed. God does not change, from what was shown in the very beginning.

That is false. The Old Covenant did not bring about the New Covenant. On the contrary, the Old Covenant was a restatement of the curse of Man in the garden of Eden, particularly as applied to the nation Israel.

The Law, which is the Old Covenant, stipulated that Israel could *not* enter into God's presence closely or permanently by all kinds of requirements. A fence separated the people of Israel from priestly activities. Even the priests were separated by the curtain from the Holy of Holies.

The peole were told at Sinai that they could not draw near to God, but could only hear God. Israel was forbidden from even being the People of God unless they engaged in blood sacrifice, the animals standing in for them in their Sin guilt.

So, the Law restated the curse of God's Law, which prevented Israel from approaching God and the Tree of Life. But the New Covenant, by contrast, opens the door to the Tree of Life through the sacrifice of Christ.

Why did the Law look so much like what Jesus did? It was because the Law was a temporary provision so that Israel could remain as the People of God in hope that one day, through Christ, they could finally enter into close to God and in a permanent way. The Law held out this hope, but did not provide this hope--just a temporary state of existence.

But the New Covenant fulfilled all of these shadows in the Law, rendering Israel the People of God. Christ made them the People of God forever, to dwell with Him forever, by becoming the real and final priest, temple, and sacrifice. The old is in a sense built upon the shadows of the old, but the old did *not* provide for the new--quite the contrary!

 

[pasifika]

We are always to "do" God's commandments, whether under the Old Covenant of under the New Covenant. God has not changed, but His laws certainly have, in view of the fact what Christ did renders requirements under the Old Covenant no longer necessary.

It is not just changing our heart, enabling us to "do" God's laws that turns the Old Covenant into the New Covenant. It is an actual change in covenants, along with a change in law. We read that in Jer 31...

Jer 31.31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,”
declares the Lord."

Since God does not change, both covenants required a change in heart, from stony heart to a heart of flesh, in order to be able to "do" God's Law. So, the New Covenant is no different from the Old Covenant in this regard. It is just stating that Israel's heart will be changed because prophetically we know that from Christ's death to now Israel's heart has been hardened. In order for their nation to be restored and enter into a New Covenant, their stony heart has to be change into a heart of flesh.

In other words, this change of heart is not included in the definition of a "new covenant." Rather, it is a prerequisite for Israel to enter into any covenant with God, and in this case, in the eschaton.

The difference stated between the covenants is that the New Covenant will *not* contain the same the same set of laws and provisions as those given at Sinai. We now know that by looking back at the early Church and recognizing that Paul dismissed the Law as a covenant entirely, along with Sabbath requirements, festivals, sacrifices, priestly requirements, temple requirements, cleansing requirements, etc. etc.

All commandments are fulfilled by this single commandment "love your neighbor as yourself".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The difference stated between the covenants is that the New Covenant will *not* contain the same the same set of laws and provisions as those given at Sinai. We now know that by looking back at the early Church and recognizing that Paul dismissed the Law as a covenant entirely, along with Sabbath requirements, festivals, sacrifices, priestly requirements, temple requirements, cleansing requirements, etc. etc.

Paul came after Christ ratified His covenant. God's laws went from external written on stone to enteral written on the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 not breaking His promise not to alter His covenant Psa 89:34 Mat5:18 so Paul does not have any authority to dismiss one of God's written and spoken commandments and is part of God's Testimony that's sits under God's mercy seat in Heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19

Many misunderstand Paul and in doing so by not reconciling Paul's writings to Jesus, came with a salvation warning 2Peter3:16 when taken out of context. Jesus warned us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19 Paul is not undermining Jesus who is God. As if man can reverse God's blessing and God's sanctification.

Many confuse the annual feasts days that some were annual sabbaths that have to do with food and drink offerings the context of this passage with one of God's Ten Commandments. I personally would not want to remove something God's covers with His mercy Exo20:6 but God gives us free will.

 

[RandyPNW]

All commandments are fulfilled by this single commandment "love your neighbor as yourself".

Yes, but the subset of this single comand includes many commandments, such as "don't covet," "don't murder," "don't steal," and don't dishonor God in any way. Those commandments were part of both covenants and does not distinguish between them.

So, the summary of all the commandments doesn't specific the number of commandments involved in the New Covenant, nor does it specify the differences between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

I was just pointing out that regardless of what covenant is in play, God requires that those who covenant with Him "do" their part in the agreement. This was *not* a difference between the two covenants.

 

[Freth]

I personally would not want to remove something God's covers with His mercy Exo20:6 but God gives us free will.

(Adding to your point)

1. Both the Old and New Testaments tell us not to add to or take away from the commandments.

Old Testament:​

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Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.​

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Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.​

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New Testament:​

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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

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Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.​

2. Both the Old and New Testaments prophesy the adding to or taking away from the commandments.

Daniel:​

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Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.​

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Paul:​

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2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

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Strong's G646 a falling away (apostasia): defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.​

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What then is the truth?​

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3. The commandments are the truth.

Psalm 119:151 Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.​

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2 John 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.​

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4. Breaking the commandments is untruth.

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Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.​

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1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.​

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Conclusion: The commandments stand as eternal truth.