Might the Laws of God actually change on the New Earth?

[DennisF]

I'd consider those 2 separate and not necessarily connected statements. Joseph's DNA alteration is nowhere to be found other than imaginations.

We do know a virgin conceived, which rules out Joseph

No it does not - at least not in the sense I described. We know he did not have premarital sex with Mary, but that does not rule out that his altered genetics were involved in Mary's conception. Once she was impregnated by the higher beings called angels, she was perhaps no longer a "virgin". And by the way, have you exercised Feucht's First Law of Bible study? Do not "trust" the translations because often they are entirely inadequate in conveying the correct sense of a text. I won't do your homework for you; check out the meaning of the word translated "virgin". It is not exactly as you suppose.

 

[DennisF]

The Scripture says, plainly, the the Blessed Virgin Mary Theotokos conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit--not the power or work of angels, and has nothing to do with St. Joseph.

The genealogical accounts in Matthew and Luke aren't about genetics. Jesus was Joseph's legal son, not biological--which is just as valid for genealogy in the ancient world as blood-descent. Jesus does not need to be genetically/biologically related to Joseph for Jesus to be legally part of Joseph's lineage.

Jesus is the literal blood offspring of Mary, she is His true mother. Genetics can't tell us anything about this miracle, since genetically we know that an ordinary male human has an X chromosome from the mother and a Y chromosome from the father--but Jesus only has a biological mother. Which means the question of Jesus' Y chromosome is without answer. Which is fine, Scripture isn't giving us a lesson on genetics and biology--but teaching us that our Lord Jesus Christ was conceived and born of the Virgin Mary, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Since it is a profound act of God, and God can, in His absolute power, do anything that does not violate His own will and Being, anything we add is idle speculation--God had done great things. Behold, in the City of David is born a Child, the Lord Messiah.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, this is a recounting of the mainstream suppositions about the event. I offer an alternative without claiming that "genetics" or through whom the H.S. worked to accomplish Mary's pregnancy occurred, etc. is in the biblical text. (Reading the Trinity into Genesis 1 is not in there either. Theology is in the business of interpolating!) Yet I do not see anything in the alternative explanation I gave that contradicts any of the facts of the text of scripture. The sense of meaning of some of the language in scripture might be an arguable point, but for Matthew to go through the bother of listing Joseph's whole genealogy tells me that genetic descent in some way is involved. Of course it is convenient to explain it as a legal connection to Joseph, but a recounting of his whole genealogy is hardly required to make that point.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Once she was impregnated by the higher beings called angels, she was perhaps no longer a "virgin".

It is taken for granted, because of lack of specific evidence to the contrary in scripture and direct statements that this was/is God's Own beloved son, that there was no 'sex act' as we perceive it, angel or otherwise.

There is no record of angels having human or human compatible sex organs in the scriptures either.

Do I believe then it was some form of high scientific tech? Uh, no.

 

[David Lamb]

No it does not - at least not in the sense I described. We know he did not have premarital sex with Mary, but that does not rule out that his altered genetics were involved in Mary's conception. Once she was impregnated by the higher beings called angels, she was perhaps no longer a "virgin". And by the way, have you exercised Feucht's First Law of Bible study? Do not "trust" the translations because often they are entirely inadequate in conveying the correct sense of a text. I won't do your homework for you; check out the meaning of the word translated "virgin". It is not exactly as you suppose.

Where in the bible do you get the idea that Mary "was impregnated by the higher beings called angels?" When Mary asked Gabriel how she could become pregnant, Gabriel didn't reply, "One of my fellow angels will impregnate you." No, the reply was:

“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Lu 1:35 NKJV)

 

[DennisF]

It is taken for granted, because of lack of specific evidence to the contrary in scripture and direct statements that this was/is God's Own beloved son, that there was no 'sex act' as we perceive it, angel or otherwise.

Did I say anyone was having sex with Mary?

There is no record of angels having human or human compatible sex organs in the scriptures either.

Do I believe then it was some form of high scientific tech? Uh, no.

What do you know about artificial insemination? Or about genetic modification of human DNA? The more advanced beings called angels would, even if you are ignorant of the possibilities.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Did I say anyone was having sex with Mary?

What do you know about artificial insemination? Or about genetic modification of human DNA? The more advanced beings called angels would, even if you are ignorant of the possibilities.

I spent several years as a dairy farmer and used artificial insemination.

It's unlikely Mary was carted off to outerspace and artificially inseminated, if that's your drift. That's a little kooky to be quite honest

 

[DennisF]

I spent several years as a dairy farmer and used artificial insemination.

It's unlikely Mary was carted off to outerspace and artificially inseminated, if that's your drift. That's a little kooky to be quite honest

Who said anything about outer space? You're reading what I am not writing.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Who said anything about outer space? You're reading what I am not writing.

I'll indulge your fantasy about "alien angels" and artificial insemination, without a remote chance of anything of the sort being legitimate

 

[pasifika]

So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5

right so this part we all know, to give context

Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.

The right word is 'pass away' because the law has been fulfilled.