Another look at the moon landing.

[d taylor]

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People do not lie to kids, now that is funny hahahaha.

Santa Claus

 

[Hentenza]

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People do not lie to kids, now that is funny hahahaha.

Santa Claus

Follow the thread in order to make sense. It’s not hard.

 

[Apple Sky]

By making observations which confirm the globe model and refute the flat earth model.

Well Rob's never mentioned this, source please.

 

[Apple Sky]

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People do not lie to kids, now that is funny hahahaha.

Santa Claus

And the tooth fairy

 

[Apple Sky]

Absolutely. Not only do I have access to my father in law’s archives including the design drawings of the lunar module legs, the witness of his engineer friends that worked with him at nasa, the pictures of astronauts and of the moon.

Sorry - But this proves nothing.

As an engineer I worked for Boing for a bit and worked on components of the space shuttle in the mid eighties.

I commend you for this but it still doesn't convince me.

 

[Strong in Him]

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People do not lie to kids, now that is funny hahahaha.

Santa Claus

You realise that Santa Claus is based on a real person?
Saint Niklaus was an orthodox bishop - who wore a red cassock - and secretly gave gifts and money to people without them knowing about it.

Yes, of course the reindeer and flying in the sky are an invention. They were just a way of explaining how one person could deliver presents to the whole country in one night. Obviously coming down the chimney is an invention to - or a way of explaining how someone could get into a house without being seen.

But St Niklaus himself, was real.
Still laughing?

 

[Strong in Him]

Sorry - But this proves nothing.

I commend you for this but it still doesn't convince me.

So you don't believe born again Christians who were there, who walked on the moon and now speak about their experiences, and Jesus.
You don't believe someone with whom you are debating on this forum, who has personal experience of the moon landings.
You don't believe any of the scientists; ALL of NASA are liars, etc.
Yet you believe every word that Dean Odle, Rob Skiba and Bart Sibrel spoke/wrote. Even though one of them has been shown to be a liar, another mocked a vaccine for a pandemic but then died from that Pandemic and the third has had his claims discredited.
Like I said, you believe who you choose to believe.

You once believed the moon landings, thanked God for Charles Duke's testimony and vowed that you would ask for God's help in sticking with your new belief.
When temptation - in the form of a YouTube video - came along, you did not ask for God's help; you watched, and believed, the video. Then you wrote "yaaay, I'm back on track" and condemned the Christian eyewitnesses as liars.

I'd trust Hentenza's words over yours, any day.

 

[Apple Sky]

Yet you believe every word that Dean Odle, Rob Skiba and Bart Sibrel spoke/wrote. Even though one of them has been shown to be a liar, another mocked a vaccine for a pandemic but then died from that Pandemic and the third has had his claims discredited.

It's not matter of who I believe but mainly what I believe & these guys speak my language, which I can relate too especially Dean.

 

[Apple Sky]

You don't believe someone with whom you are debating on this forum, who has personal experience of the moon landings.

I never said that I didn't believe him, I commended him for his work as an engineer, what I said, was that his story about his father-in-law still doesn't convince me that Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

 

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Well Rob's never mentioned this, source please.

Of course Rob never joined the dots to reach this conclusion.

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course Rob never joined the dots to reach this conclusion.

So what makes you think that he found the curvature of the earth ?

 

[prodromos]

So what makes you think that he found the curvature of the earth ?

His observations of the Chicago skyline as he crossed the lake were a perfect match for globe model predictions and were contrary to flat earth predictions.

 

[d taylor]

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Talk about the height of visual blindness. Science has brought about generations of visual blind people with their science lies, about the moon being 200,000+ miles out in a made up outer space.

When God has stated and has give us visual truth to His word. With the visual truth in actual real life,. of the moon being place in the raqia (sky) above the earth, to give light to the earth.

But yet!
Only science blinded people see a moon that is 200,000+mile out in the darkness of space. When they see a moon out in daylight during the daytime.

 

[d taylor]

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In the 1960"s man was to supposed to ride in a rocket 200,000+ miles away from earth. But yet they could not even go 6 miles deep in the ocean.

How Deep Has Man Gone in the Ocean? - The Institute for Environmental Research and Education
The deepest that a human has ventured into the ocean is 10,925 meters (35,843 feet), achieved by Victor Vescovo in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana Trench. This solo dive, conducted in 2019, surpasses previous records and highlights the incredible engineering feats required to withstand the immense pressure of the deepest ocean environments.

 

[Apple Sky]

His observations of the Chicago skyline as he crossed the lake were a perfect match for globe model predictions and were contrary to flat earth predictions.

He proved that the Chicago buildings were not a mirage as said by the weather guy. The Chicago buildings should not have been seen 37 miles away on Lake Michigan shore line, what Rob did was prove that the Chicago buildings were not a mirage at 37 miles away.

So what Rob proved was the lack of curvature.

 

[Apple Sky]

In the 1960"s man was to supposed to ride in a rocket 200,000+ miles away from earth. But yet they could not even go 6 miles deep in the ocean.

How Deep Has Man Gone in the Ocean? - The Institute for Environmental Research and Education
The deepest that a human has ventured into the ocean is 10,925 meters (35,843 feet), achieved by Victor Vescovo in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana Trench. This solo dive, conducted in 2019, surpasses previous records and highlights the incredible engineering feats required to withstand the immense pressure of the deepest ocean environments.

Not sure how far this guy went underwater but it was pretty amazing what he found.

 

[Strong in Him]

It's not matter of who I believe but mainly what I believe

It's much the same sort of thing.

Because you don't believe the moon landings and do believe in a flat earth, obviously you are drawn to the people who share those beliefs. There aren't that many of you - for obvious reasons, though you don't see that.
Because these men hold the same beliefs as you, you believe what they say - even if they are shown to be mistaken, lying (Dean) or misguided (Rob). If you were to doubt them, or concede that their teachings were wrong, that would throw your flat earth belief into question.

But a few months ago, I asked you that if Dean went to Antarctica, saw the 24 hour sun and admitted that it proved that the earth is a globe, would you believe him? Your reply was that you would believe whatever Dean told you.
In other words, he had become so important to you that you would rather throw your beliefs away than say, "Dean Odle is wrong." Sounds like, at some point, the man became more important than the belief.

 

[d taylor]

Not sure how far this guy went underwater but it was pretty amazing what he found.

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It is an underwater brine pool

 

[Strong in Him]

I never said that I didn't believe him, I commended him for his work as an engineer, what I said, was that his story about his father-in-law still doesn't convince me that Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

It seems pretty clear that Apollo 11 existed. You have referred to it yourself, and now you have the words of someone who knew one of the engineers and, himself, worked on part of it.

So what was the purpose of Apollo 11?
To give men something to do?
To allow them to play with real life aeroplanes?
The Americans wanted to make it look as they were going to the moon in the hope that the Russians would leave them alone?
They thought they'd spend millions of dollars on something that didn't work - because they had too much money and needed to lose some of it?
Or because they intended to make a rocket that would go to, and land on, the moon - thus giving themselves lots of publicity and praise, and the Russians a big headache?

And if the latter, and they failed - why didn't the media and the Russians proclaim them to be a failure?

 

[Apple Sky]

Sounds like, at some point, the man became more important than the belief.

No Dean is not more important than my beliefs, he confirms my beliefs & if Dean had gone to Antarctica and confirm the earth was a globe, I'm not sure whether I would have believed him or not. Probably not as my beliefs in a level earth are pretty strong.