Would the promotion of the First Absolute Law of Logic help establish the concept of God?

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If you'd like to discuss the evidence that convinces biologists that common descent is true, I'd be happy to do so -- are you interested at all in that evidence?

Sure. As we are in the Creation & Theistic Evolution forum, kindly start with providing a statement of your position as a Theistic Evolutionist that you will evidence at true.

 

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kindly start with providing a statement of your position as a Theistic Evolutionist that you will evidence at true.

As a Christian, I believe in God the creator, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. That is not a belief that I will provide evidence for.

As a scientist, I have concluded that, at a minimum, all animal life on Earth descends from a single common ancestral population and that the heritable differences between organisms (living or extinct) are the result of accumulated naturally occurring mutations filtered through natural selection. So... which part do you disagree with?

 

[o_mlly]

As a Christian, I believe in God the creator, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. That is not a belief that I will provide evidence for.

As a scientist, I have concluded that, at a minimum, all animal life on Earth descends from a single common ancestral population and that the heritable differences between organisms (living or extinct) are the result of accumulated naturally occurring mutations filtered through natural selection. So... which part do you disagree with?

We already know that God must be part of this on a purely metaphysical level since to go from nothing to something requires an infinite power. An infinite God could have willed creation in an infinite number of ways. He willed the most prefect way. Do you disagree with these statements?

 

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We already know that God must be part of this

Sure.

to go from nothing to something requires an infinite power.

I'm not even sure what that means, how we could know the power required, or what units such a measurement would be made in.

An infinite God could have willed creation in an infinite number of ways.

Again, sure. Maybe he did -- all we know is this universe.

He willed the most prefect way.

I don't consider myself in a position to tell God how he has to will things. Nor do I know what constitutes the most perfect way. One might as well argue that there's one perfect beetle, and that that's what God must have created -- so why are there hundreds of thousands of less than perfect beetles out there.

You're still dealing in vague philosophical arguments -- I thought you wanted to hear about evidence?

 

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Sure.

Why did you truncate my reply? You admit God the Creator ... on a purely metaphysical level.

I'm not even sure what that means, how we could know the power required, or what units such a measurement would be made in.

... materialists cannot know because science cannot (will not) examine God the Creator. But a person of faith can. Is there evidence that a finite power has created ex nihilo? No.

Again, sure. Maybe he did -- all we know is this universe.

? You've already admitted that you know that a Being exists outside the universe.

I don't consider myself in a position to tell God how he has to will things.

You already have.

Nor do I know what constitutes the most perfect way.

God does not do imperfect.

One might as well argue that there's one perfect beetle, and that that's what God must have created -- so why are there hundreds of thousands of less than perfect beetles out there.

Devolution.

You're still dealing in vague philosophical arguments -- ...

? The topic of this thread is a philosophical claim and not vague at all.

I thought you wanted to hear about evidence?

Yes. What evidence can you present without violating first principles that the variety and diversity of life evolved from lower forms to higher?

Of course the secular materialist cannot. But neither can a person of faith aka, theistic evolutionist, w/o violating the principle of economy requiring a miracle at every instance of a higher form of life. The theistic evolutionist must abandon philosophy's first principles or appear cognitively dissonant.

In the materialist's realm, you wrote that you have convincing evidence. I think not. If evidence is clear and convincing it must be better evidence than merely a preponderance of non-convincing evidence. Clear and convincing would require agreement among all those experts qualified to judge. We don't have that.