Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare?

[Godcrazy]

`Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;` Eph 6:18

Thats the reason I believe this is part of Gods armor for us to put on. Eph 6

Yes it is

 

[Sabertooth]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc?

Churches disagree on how the matter should be handled.

Here are a list of churches in the UK that have included deliverance ministries in the past,

• Vineyard,
• Assembly of God,
• Foursquare Church

(Links above are locators.)

 

[bèlla]

I don't say that, but
Just this, spiritual problems exists, that why there were so many in the bible, also doctors can't fix them.
They may help alleviate symptoms only.

There’s a process for diagnosing problems. You can’t rush to an answer or overlook it either. Illness isn’t cut and dried and there’s often related issues which must be addressed in addition to the primary. More importantly, God runs the planet in an orderly fashion and each particle has a purpose. Where do you fit? That’s where your focus belongs. Not on the doctor. You should be manning your post.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

I have always advocate for a holistic model where you examine all areas, physical spiritual and mental.
This is what the exorcists does too
I heard a video yesterday, his name was Dobbs a pastor with ministry and spiritual sight. He said he knew about a lady that was diagnosed bipolar, depression and anxiety among others. However, no treatment worked. She manifested, and she was delivered. After she did not have bipolar, depression and anxiety. Real story.

You frequently mention videos but what is your background? Do you have professional training in spiritual, medicine or counseling? Or is the bulk of your knowledge the result of personal study?

~bella

 

[Kathleen30]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

Perhaps the church has never been silent on spiritual matters . Spirituality is a lot of things. But maybe traditional folk are just a little weary of religious fanatics who see demons lurking behind every bush and every street corner. And do remember Godcrazy One. He that is in us is greater than he that is of the world ❤️

 

[Godcrazy]

Perhaps the church has never been silent on spiritual matters . Spirituality is a lot of things. But maybe traditional folk are just a little weary of religious fanatics who see demons lurking behind every bush and every street corner. And do remember Godcrazy One. He that is in us is greater than he that is of the world ❤️

I don`t think you would say that when you are face to face with one and don`t know how to fight. Half the bible talk about warfare. either full gospel or not

 

[bèlla]

`Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;` Eph 6:18

Thats the reason I believe this is part of Gods armor for us to put on. Eph 6

Maturity and holiness alleviates a lot of problems. What’s often overlooked when the subject is raised is the impact of sin on our experiences. There’s specific acts that serve as gateways for spiritual harassment more than others. If we’re maintaining our spirit man we’ll keep a lot of things at bay and the altar sets the tone.

~bella

 

[Sabertooth]

@Godcrazy,
If you consider the answers on this thread, you will see why we cannot all get on the same page on this matter.

 

[johansen]

I had no difficulty finding books on the subject at Amazon several years ago and others out of print from used bookstores. The subject was covered on numerous ministry programs on the radio and television too. I suppose your results would depend where you are, time frame and who you’re looking for.

I've read a number of them. they are all a good start, containing basically the same information over and over again.
I went to a Jon Ramierez spiritual warfare conference. 3 days long, he didn't say anything i had not heard before. he left the audience more afraid of witches than fearing Jesus's discipline when we sin.

the theophostic prayer ministry manual by ed m smith is pretty good, its 400 pages long. but none of it concerns spiritual warfare, its a book written from years of experience and thousands of hours of inviting the Holy Spirit to heal people's trauma. I don't know of any such similar book on spiritual warfare.

and with regard to trauma.. I still see a lot of christians say demons can attach themselves to trauma. This isn't true. the demon got in because of sin. not trauma.

 

[bèlla]

I've read a number of them. they are all a good start, containing basically the same information over and over again.

I think the best starting point is the bible and the Holy Spirit. He may point you to someone or suggest a resource. But no one is better equipped to solve the problem than He. As I noted in my previous response. The altar sets the tone. If you’ve matured to the point where you’re employing the principle most of this isn’t an issue and the solution is found in the same. That’s why it isn’t a concern.

~bella

 

[tturt]

Theres a lot more to spiritual warfare than deliverance though that is an aspect of it such as shown in

`For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;` II Cor 10

 

[lismore]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

Hello! Your post made me think of this passage: The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor demons but the Pharisees believe in them all (Acts 23:8)

Not meaning to get at any group in particular, but I have met several Presbyterians and Christians from similar denominations who do not believe in angels, spirits, demons or a resurrection, thus hardly likely to be into 'Spiritual Warfare'. Angels and demons are seen as being mental illness and when you die you 'go to heaven'. A lot of believers seem to disagree on angels, some believers have a whole angelology or demonology based on a popular book, dream or vision which is not universally held. I met a Pentecostal who does not believe in angels and another who claimed to meet with angels regularly. The reaction of some churches to this level of differing opinion is probably just to shut the whole topic down.

It's a shame because it's an important topic.

God Bless

 

[Aaron112]

The reaction of some churches to this level of differing opinion is probably just to shut the whole topic down.

It has been noted uncountable times that the truth is not welcome. It is silenced, banned, censored, mocked, ridiculed and ignored, ..... or worse. (up to and including killing those who tell the truth)

 

[Aaron112]

I don`t think you would say that when you are face to face with one and don`t know how to fight. Half the bible talk about warfare. either full gospel or not

..... "how to fight" ? the biggest fight is with men controlling people, in brick and mortar boxes, in the internet, in most groups larger than 5 people it seems, and so on..... the internet is set up to deceive, on purpose, just as most corporations and religous and politic and medic groups.....

 

[Aaron112]

I don't say that, but
Just this, spiritual problems exists, that why there were so many in the bible, also doctors can't fix them.
They may help alleviate symptoms only.

The cures are not permitted where professionals have power to stop and silence them. Too much involves money over truth.

 

[Aaron112]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

Why you ask? See in the OT and the NT and historically, who is in charge of , controlling, religious leaders ? (hint: not God)

 

[Kathleen30]

I don`t think you would say that when you are face to face with one and don`t know how to fight. Half the bible talk about warfare. either full gospel or not

Really? Scripture memory is the best remedy for all seasons. Christ quoted scripture in his confrontation with the devil in the wilderness. Or is there some secret remedy you would like to bestow upon the Church that the Church doesn't know about . Kathleen

 

[tturt]

Agree No better example than what Jesus did.

 

[Godcrazy]

Really? Scripture memory is the best remedy for all seasons. Christ quoted scripture in his confrontation with the devil in the wilderness. Or is there some secret remedy you would like to bestow upon the Church that the Church doesn't know about . Kathleen

the bible is full of the believers driving out demons, healing others etc. And Jesus said we should he also warned about evils attacks and how the devil walks around like a lion.