Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[Learning always]

What kind of person deserves eternal tortute as a punishment? No one deserves that and I'd never wish that on anybody.

God is about love and forgiveness. I refuse to believe he would allow such a place like hell to exist, let alone send people there for mistakes.

And the bad people do get punished, because they cease to exist and aren't going to get into heaven, which is a paradise.

No, I won't delete my post because you disagree with it.

I don't think your idea is correct. The Blessed Virgin Mary's apparitions at Fatima 1917 is a proof.

 

[Bob Crowley]

Christ made more references to Hell than anyone else, and He is the Son of God.

The Uncomfortable Subject Jesus Addressed More than Anyone Else

Leslie Schmucker discusses the uncomfortable reality of Hell, as well as the goodness of God's justice.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

Hell exists, and no amount of wishful thinking will make it go away. The fact that we don't like the prospect of intense eternal suffering doesn't mean it is not a reality.

To take extreme cases, why SHOULDN'T Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot and all the other tyrants pay for what they did to so many people?

But if God is going to claim to be just, He has to judge all of us without exception.

 

[Done222]

The two parts of your post seem to me to contradict each other. Maybe I have misunderstood you, but you seem to start by saying that Revelation teaches that the devil will be tormented forever. But then you say, "Even Satan may not face eternal torment." Unless you are saying that the devil and Satan are two different beings, how can he face eternal torment without being tormented forever?

Forever and ever has to do with time. If time comes to an end, then forever and ever comes to an end. The kingdom of God may be on another timeline, or a completely different big bang. If our current timeline is eternal, does that mean that God (outside of time) is forever adding to the timeline? I think that the current timeline comes to an end, and this is what Revelation seems to be saying.

 

[Bob Crowley]

I don't think we should be too startled by the fact that God is outside time. Even in our own universe "light" does not experience time.

From an AI answer to the question "Does light experience time?" -

No, light does not experience time. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, as an object approaches the speed of light, its experience of time slows to a complete stop. Since light is already moving at the speed of light, its internal "clock" does not tick. From a photon's perspective, its emission and absorption are simultaneous events, spanning zero time and zero distance.

Since God made time, and dwells in an "unapproachable light", then I fail to see why He would experience time except as an observer of our time.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Christ made more references to Hell than anyone else, and He is the Son of God.

The Uncomfortable Subject Jesus Addressed More than Anyone Else

Leslie Schmucker discusses the uncomfortable reality of Hell, as well as the goodness of God's justice.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

Hell exists, and no amount of wishful thinking will make it go away. The fact that we don't like the prospect of intense eternal suffering doesn't mean it is not a reality.

To take extreme cases, why SHOULDN'T Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot and all the other tyrants pay for what they did to so many people?

But if God is going to claim to be just, He has to judge all of us without exception.

Paul made it abundantly clear we're no better

Romans 3:9

There is no moral high ground available by claiming that we are "better sinners"

 

[Hentenza]

If you think you're position of eternal death to your unsaved friends, relatives and neighbors is a better option I'd suggest it's not

lol there goes the emotional fallacy. It didn’t take long.

 

[Hentenza]

Paul made it abundantly clear we're no better

Romans 3:9

There is no moral high ground available by claiming that we are "better sinners"

Actually Paul did indeed say exactly that but it is not part of your UR verse mining.


“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:1-2 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downl

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

bible.com

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

lol there goes the emotional fallacy. It didn’t take long.

That is really kind of a weird thing you say brother … as if appealing to emotions runs “contrary” to Scripture? I find it amazing that most who hold to the wicked, immoral doctrine of hell from Satan, rarely seem to flinch when speaking of the eternal sufferings of man in hell. Kinda like a “they got what they deserve and asked for” attitude. Sad really …

Many will quote Scriptures like Matthew 7:21-23:
”Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭ASV‬‬

Well, tell me if this is an “emotional fallacy”: Have you ever seriously considered you may very well be one to whom these most dreadful words are spoken? If no, why not? You most certainly should. Is this question shrouded in fallacy? According to Jesus, I think not …

Most who quote this passage rarely quote verse 20, ”Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them“, which is a quantitative statement from the previous verses 15-19. I would venture a small guess all those to whom those words are spoken were completely caught off guard. SHOCKED even …

Jesus compared those to whom he spoke as ravenous wolves, even though they preached, cast out demons and did many great works IN HIS NAME. So brother … Have you examined your fruit production?

By the way, how many people today, this week, month or even year, have you witnessed to, warned and even pleaded with about going to this most dreadful place? My guess, like most of professing Christians who hold to this doctrine, very little. If I’m wrong I apologize. But if you did witness to many, were you honest with them? Informed them that in spite of their commitment, and all their best efforts, and believing and trusting Jesus, there is always a chance they may not have truly believed. And ultimately will have to wait until judgement day to find out if they made the cut or are heading to hell. But hey … isn't that the truth?

This is no fallacy brother. The cold hard truth to those of you who hold to the Satanic doctrine of hell will not ever know for sure they belong to Him. That is, until judgement day. And according to you and others, if you hear those words, you’re simply too late.

Fortunately, that most wicked of all Satanic doctrines is not found in Scripture and our most glorious heavenly father will never do such a wicked thing. ALL … belong to Him and He will be All in All. Amen and Amen.

 

[Jipsah]

God can do whatever He wants; He is God.

Yep.

But being vicious? No. He is perfect in His justice.

And being perfect in His justice would preclude Him exacting infinite punishment for finite crimes.

That is from the human perspective, but as I have said, God is perfectly holy, and it is against Him that we sin.

But merely ceasing to exist cannot be everlasting punishment, or everlasting anything. If you have ceased to exist, you can no longer experience punishment. Take a human example - suppose a parent punishes his son by stopping his pocket money. That is only a punishment because the son experiences it. If the son got knocked down by a bus and killed the same day as his father had said, "No pocket money for a month," it would no longer make the slightest difference whether the father had stopped his pocket money or increased it a hundredfold.

God can do whatever He wants; He is God. But being vicious? No. He is perfect in His justice.

That is from the human perspective, but as I have said, God is perfectly holy, and it is against Him that we sin.

But merely ceasing to exist cannot be everlasting punishment, or everlasting anything. If you have ceased to exist, you can no longer experience punishment. Take a human example - suppose a parent punishes his son by stopping his pocket money. That is only a punishment because the son experiences it. If the son got knocked down by a bus and killed the same day as his father had said, "No pocket money for a month," it would no longer make the slightest difference whether the father had stopped his pocket money or increased it a hundredfold.

 

[Hentenza]

That is really kind of a weird thing you say brother … as if appealing to emotions runs “contrary” to Scripture? I find it amazing that most who hold to the wicked, immoral doctrine of hell from Satan, rarely seem to flinch when speaking of the eternal sufferings of man in hell. Kinda like a “they got what they deserve and asked for” attitude. Sad really …

Many will quote Scriptures like Matthew 7:21-23:
”Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭ASV‬‬

Well, tell me if this is an “emotional fallacy”: Have you ever seriously considered you may very well be one to whom these most dreadful words are spoken? If no, why not? You most certainly should. Is this question shrouded in fallacy? According to Jesus, I think not …

Most who quote this passage rarely quote verse 20, ”Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them“, which is a quantitative statement from the previous verses 15-19. I would venture a small guess all those to whom those words are spoken were completely caught off guard. SHOCKED even …

Jesus compared those to whom he spoke as ravenous wolves, even though they preached, cast out demons and did many great works IN HIS NAME. So brother … Have you examined your fruit production?

By the way, how many people today, this week, month or even year, have you witnessed to, warned and even pleaded with about going to this most dreadful place? My guess, like most of professing Christians who hold to this doctrine, very little. If I’m wrong I apologize. But if you did witness to many, were you honest with them? Informed them that in spite of their commitment, and all their best efforts, and believing and trusting Jesus, there is always a chance they may not have truly believed. And ultimately will have to wait until judgement day to find out if they made the cut or are heading to hell. But hey … isn't that the truth?

This is no fallacy brother. The cold hard truth to those of you who hold to the Satanic doctrine of hell will not ever know for sure they belong to Him. That is, until judgement day. And according to you and others, if you hear those words, you’re simply too late.

Fortunately, that most wicked of all Satanic doctrines is not found in Scripture and our most glorious heavenly father will never do such a wicked thing. ALL … belong to Him and He will be All in All. Amen and Amen.

Your problem is with God not with me.