God, omnibenevolent or omnipotent and omniscient?

[GoldenKingGaze]

As it is written >

"God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." (in James 1:13)

From this, I understand that God who is all good could not have brought evil into existence. So, I would say from this, that God did not create "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" > in Ephesians 2:2. And His creation was "very good"; so what is very good would not have produced this evil spirit of Satan, plus what is very good by character could not have gotten its own self to choose what is evil.


In my opinion, what is perfectly good by character could not invent what is evil or "the absence of light".

What do you mean by "fore-installed evil"? If you mean God created evil from nothing, I would say, no; because God who is all good would not create the spirit of evil > "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2).

But does God have control of what Satan's evil spirit can do and not do? Yes. In God's all-control and order, Satan is a vessel, even, for holding the spirit of evil so it is not all over the place, doing any old thing. God has control with order, so you can see there is a certain sort of control and order, even of evil > evil people are not totally free to do all that they would do; and we see how totally evil people actually change to become followers of Jesus.

By fore-installed I mean set up say Adam to become a sinner for a mysterious wisdom Calvinists suggest exists.

I see evil as being like a virus, immunity has no need except for healing us from a useless infection.

Even though God can bring good out of evil, better than if it did not exist. He did not want it or set it up except by looking at options of angels and sons to create, knowing their lives ahead of time and choosing wisely, like a hundred trillion years ahead and an octillion number of potential arrangements.

 

[Aseyesee]

Yes. The word is often translated as 'evil or 'wickedness,' but it has a wider semantic range that includes 'calamity' or 'disaster.' One variation of the word means 'hunger or 'famine,' a more specific form of disaster. The Tanakh uses the word 'woe.' Calamity or disaster is a much more accurate translation choice because it not only fits with the context of the passage, but also preserves the omnibebevolence of God.

To me … that is evil … I’m not much for the Hollywood depiction of evil …

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Bottom line … if God never spoke, nothing would have ever happened … but to me it’s not a question whether God is good or bad, which is like a pit someone falls into … both are thief’s (in the day that you eat/6th day/man (which was not where John found himself on the island of Patmos) rest is always a turnkey) …

 

[Aseyesee]

Out of Himself? A perfect angel came out of Him, but He knew a lot of the angels would seek an iniquitous path. That path did not come from God at all. And He could not override their choice. Not that He had some purpose for it, but great foresight and ingenuity makes use of it.

There would have been no path (life or death), but for God; I personally believe He is greater than one who turns lemons into lemonade (in hopes of fixing the mess he seemingly made of things) ... foresight fixes the problem before it ever becomes one, or it simply becomes crisis management ...

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

To me … that is evil … I’m not much for the Hollywood depiction of evil …

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Bottom line … if God never spoke, nothing would have ever happened … but to me it’s not a question whether God is good or bad, which is like a pit someone falls into … both are thief’s (in the day that you eat/6th day/man (which was not where John found himself on the island of Patmos) rest is always a turnkey) …

God can do evil in the hardships of discipline or testing, using Satan, and He can punish sinners whether angels or men, in the fires of Hell.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

There would have been no path (life or death), but for God; I personally believe He is greater than one who turns lemons into lemonade (in hopes of fixing the mess he seemingly made of things) ... foresight fixes the problem before it ever becomes one, or it simply becomes crisis management ...

I am sure God did not create death and He is managing a crisis. We can get ten fold restoration for afflictions from Satan or at least double restoration. And we have the perfect blood of Christ as inheritance instead of the would be perfect blood of Adam. Take away cynicism and the future is bright.

Foresight to infinity, including of Satan and his cohorts and friends... could not solve the problem because God being a gentleman can but will not force heart repentance or worship, which is like romance, against their free will.

 

[Aseyesee]

God can do evil in the hardships of discipline or testing, using Satan, and He can punish sinners whether angels or men, in the fires of Hell.

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1Ki 22:21-23 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

God cannot lie … but he’ll send someone to do it for him … in a court of man’s law he would be complicate with the act, as if he were the one who did it …

“And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?” A question that is meant only for our benefit … like God going down to see if what he heard was true … or it repented Him that he had made man on the earth (as if he did not know already the consequences of his actions) …

 

[Aseyesee]

I am sure God did not create death and He is managing a crisis. We can get ten fold restoration for afflictions from Satan or at least double restoration. And we have the perfect blood of Christ as inheritance instead of the would be perfect blood of Adam. Take away cynicism and the future is bright.

Foresight to infinity, including of Satan and his cohorts and friends... could not solve the problem because God being a gentleman can but will not force heart repentance or worship, which is like romance, against their free will.

Free will or no free will, or a portion of both is a mute point to me ... these are just another form of the dialectic; two fruits of a tree ...

God/good and the devil/evil are themselves like to fruits of a tree, obedience (to not eat/a cross) was never about a tree (though Jesus was hung on one) … where are you, who told you, have you eaten, was the lesson of where our soul would lead us (the first helpmeet reveals our nakedness), which is not out of order (in picture form; being this directly relates to every individual) to understand the hidden things of darkness/ignorance; the place (in mind) where we are called out of, like a son called out of Egypt …

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1Ki 22:21-23 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

God cannot lie … but he’ll send someone to do it for him … in a court of man’s law he would be complicate with the act, as if he were the one who did it …

“And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?” A question that is meant only for our benefit … like God going down to see if what he heard was true … or it repented Him that he had made man on the earth (as if he did not know already the consequences of his actions) …

God cannot lie, because He is light and truth, but lying is not in itself evil. It can do good. Lord of the Rings is a lie. But is Tolkien's Gospel of chivalry.

Tricky one that God went down to see for Himself, themselves. It seems the future can be in our hands if God engages with us as with Abram to Abraham.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Free will or no free will, or a portion of both is a mute point to me ... these are just another form of the dialectic; two fruits of a tree ...

God/good and the devil/evil are themselves like to fruits of a tree, obedience (to not eat/a cross) was never about a tree (though Jesus was hung on one) … where are you, who told you, have you eaten, was the lesson of where our soul would lead us (the first helpmeet reveals our nakedness), which is not out of order (in picture form; being this directly relates to every individual) to understand the hidden things of darkness/ignorance; the place (in mind) where we are called out of, like a son called out of Egypt …

Which scriptures so persuade you?

 

[Aseyesee]

God cannot lie, because He is light and truth, but lying is not in itself evil. It can do good. Lord of the Rings is a lie. But is Tolkien's Gospel of chivalry.

Tricky one that God went down to see for Himself, themselves. It seems the future can be in our hands if God engages with us as with Abram to Abraham.

A story is not a lie, unless you're the one parading it around as if it were the truth ...a lie is an intentional concept of the mind, and always, in the end for some form of reward or gain ...

Lev 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

We do have a new name, that an old name must be overcome to receive ... which is not separate from the soul we find when we lose our own ...

 

[Aseyesee]

Which scriptures so persuade you?

The whole book really persuades me, but if I were to choose just one to bring me to this end it would be Isaiah 1:18

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

The Bible is our perception of God, not God ...

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The whole book really persuades me, but if I were to choose just one to bring me to this end it would be Isaiah 1:18

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

The Bible is our perception of God, not God ...

Jesus said, you can tell a tree by it's fruit. The preacher of wisdom that a fountain should produce salt or fresh water.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

A story is not a lie, unless you're the one parading it around as if it were the truth ...a lie is an intentional concept of the mind, and always, in the end for some form of reward or gain ...

Lev 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

We do have a new name, that an old name must be overcome to receive ... which is not separate from the soul we find when we lose our own ...

How can you lose your soul beneficially?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

A story is not a lie, unless you're the one parading it around as if it were the truth ...a lie is an intentional concept of the mind, and always, in the end for some form of reward or gain ...

Lev 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

We do have a new name, that an old name must be overcome to receive ... which is not separate from the soul we find when we lose our own ...

The fact that an angel was approved to do a work as a lying spirit, knowing good from evil and the plan, shows that it can do good and slander is the lie that does harm. And love works can cover a multitude of offences and it is a good thing. Proverbs 10:12 and 1 Peter 4:8.

 

[Aseyesee]

The fact that an angel was approved to do a work as a lying spirit, knowing good from evil and the plan, shows that it can do good and slander is the lie that does harm. And love works can cover a multitude of offences and it is a good thing. Proverbs 10:12 and 1 Peter 4:8.

Understand, for me this is allegorical ... geared for one purpose ... that we might know Him ...

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Understand, for me this is allegorical ... geared for one purpose ... that we might know Him ...

I can't see how this story can be seen as an allegory, for me it is literally true.

 

[Godcrazy]

The angels had access to everything God had, Hebrews 6:6 and knew everything about God very well, and so they can't repent because they want the Godhead itself, and won't have restoration of say seven fold. And there is nothing to soften their hearts that they have not hated, except for the Blood of Jesus and the resurrection power, which by nature they oppose.

pretty much they knew everything full knowledge full choice. It is that yes they want to be God especially one of them. Which was about refusing worship fall down to Jesus and serve us. It is a very twisted way. The exorcists said they hate Mary and refuse to `bow down `to her too and have a particular hate for women because of her. And the fact God will make us almost as angels and they are not. Deep jealousy and deep hate.

 

[Aseyesee]

How can you lose your soul beneficially?

The cross is a repeated truth in relationship to the soul from the beginning, which is what the garden planted eastward in Eden was in picture form (wherein are depthless truths that will continually unfold in you (a springing up), no different than the word God becomes to you (which the increase of has no end), and this as your Father, which comes with an “all that I have is thine” (which requires some lengthening of the tent pegs) … (also understand that I’m not trying to talk down to anyone, or convince anyone of anything, let alone you) these are more than just words on a page, un-descript/only face value; if you abide in them they (father and son) will come and abide in you in ways that most never come to experience in their lifetime … To pick up your cross is a central to this inward journey into truth, it is the same language as, to not eat, or to lose your soul, which is taken down to a single thought … which in one picture is the one who is desolate, rather than one who is married, or one whose testimony is “I am no widow” … which relates to the soul, or more specifically our thoughts; the soul is the ground a/the seed is sown in … and God the Seed the gardener/Word/Son sows …

We only go in as far in as we have come from … this truth of God walking in us … you can’t walk with him unless you become him … in the sense of a son … you can’t get there unless you came from there, which is where you are whether you understand or have experienced it or not consciously; entering into the gates of this city, is the same as entering, and abiding in his word, which becomes summed up in one, and in whom you are in , as much as Jesus is in his Father’s throne; not a place of position mind you, but a place of knowing …

If I could just share one of my moments ... you would see that God can show you more in a moment then all those who have ever lived can teach you in a life time ... but this I know, only those who are willing and obedient will eat the good of the land ...

 

[Aseyesee]

I can't see how this story can be seen as an allegory, for me it is literally true.

Which is fine, I’m not on here to dispute what you or anyone else believes … actually it never enters as a concern to me (and what I have there is not enough time or words to relay) … for me it’s an “would have passed by them” …

There are patterns (within the story and every other one you will run across) indeed it is happening all around us) all relating to the process in us of coming to the son we are) or the one purpose God purposed in himself), found in this story that relate (firstly) to the two telling’s of Adam (the first picture of the two forties) that are much like the woman’s expanding of the commandment “Thou shalt not eat”, or as some will see it, an adding to the commandment …

This is really the fish and pole story … if you learn to fish you eat for a life time … if not you simply go to your Moses to see what God has said … which like manna, dries up when you have eaten the fruit of the land …

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

pretty much they knew everything full knowledge full choice. It is that yes they want to be God especially one of them. Which was about refusing worship fall down to Jesus and serve us. It is a very twisted way. The exorcists said they hate Mary and refuse to `bow down `to her too and have a particular hate for women because of her. And the fact God will make us almost as angels and they are not. Deep jealousy and deep hate.

So there is a limit on omnipotence and causing Satan to repent rather than a need in God for evil according to hidden wisdom.