Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare?

[Godcrazy]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

 

[Delvianna]

Hello again!! I honestly think because it doesn't fit the emotional vibe church has become. I've noticed in my own experiences that churches also steer away from any topics that could be uncomfortable too in general. So, no corrections, no push to be on fire for God just, God makes you happy, God gives you stuff, God takes away your pain... all about what God does for you that makes you feel loved, comforted and just a happy little panda. While that isn't bad in general, when 99% of sermons are within this scope, there's a problem. This is why a ton of churches don't even preach on hell anymore either because that's negative, so... don't go there!

That's just my guess though based off of what I've experienced in various different churches.

 

[Godcrazy]

Hello again!! I honestly think because it doesn't fit the emotional vibe church has become. I've noticed in my own experiences that churches also steer away from any topics that could be uncomfortable too in general. So, no corrections, no push to be on fire for God just, God makes you happy, God gives you stuff, God takes away your pain... all about what God does for you that makes you feel loved, comforted and just a happy little panda. While that isn't bad in general, when 99% of sermons are within this scope, there's a problem. This is why a ton of churches don't even preach on hell anymore either because that's negative, so... don't go there!

That's just my guess though based off of what I've experienced in various different churches.

When I came to God I was told by a priest to not talk about my experiences in deliverance and healing (despite people were set free and healed from being unable to walk and in pain!) because "some" would not take it lightly. I was perplexed. I was like, but, the bible say we should. There`s absolutely nothing that say it does not occur. And note, I am no way "charismatic" and that jazz. I am a bible only. We even have the commands that it will follow us and to do it.
They say the new age and occult have infiltrated the churches.
What are we doing, if we deny parts of the gospel and what the bible talk about? sin, repentance, healing deliverance? doesn`t the bible say the one that takes a word out be cursed and struck from the book of life?
Either we believe the whole bible or not.

 

[Godcrazy]

Hello again!! I honestly think because it doesn't fit the emotional vibe church has become. I've noticed in my own experiences that churches also steer away from any topics that could be uncomfortable too in general. So, no corrections, no push to be on fire for God just, God makes you happy, God gives you stuff, God takes away your pain... all about what God does for you that makes you feel loved, comforted and just a happy little panda. While that isn't bad in general, when 99% of sermons are within this scope, there's a problem. This is why a ton of churches don't even preach on hell anymore either because that's negative, so... don't go there!

That's just my guess though based off of what I've experienced in various different churches.

hi again=) no definitely not go there Russ Dizdar said he was thrown out of many of those churches, because of it

 

[Godcrazy]

LA Marzulli(youtube) say when he got saved Jesus was exalted a LOT. It was back in the 70`ies. He said he saw a difference when they went away from that a lot of them. not all but a lot. The repentance, the sins the conversions stopped with it. And as such, the spirit

 

[Delvianna]

When I came to God I was told by a priest to not talk about my experiences in deliverance and healing (despite people were set free and healed from being unable to walk and in pain!) because "some" would not take it lightly. I was perplexed. I was like, but, the bible say we should. There`s absolutely nothing that say it does not occur. And note, I am no way "charismatic" and that jazz. I am a bible only. We even have the commands that it will follow us and to do it.
They say the new age and occult have infiltrated the churches.
What are we doing, if we deny parts of the gospel and what the bible talk about? sin, repentance, healing deliverance? doesn`t the bible say the one that takes a word out be cursed and struck from the book of life?
Either we believe the whole bible or not.

I agree, but I think most churches are more interested in attendance than actually shepherding the people correctly. "If a luke-warm Christian stops giving you tithes, oh no!! How are we going to fund the church???" (sarcasm)

People don't put faith in God that if God wanted this church to thrive because it's sticking to scripture, that then people coming and going, wouldn't necessarily have a lasting effect. Not to mention, (side rant for a second) Why are churches pushing people to bring others to church??? That was never the point in scriptures, it was to go OUT and spread the gospel, go OUT and help people in need... Church should be for the body of Christ to learn, grow and fellowship with like-minded believers. Ones who want to do the Lords work and not just turn up to check a box on the weekend.

 

[Godcrazy]

I agree, but I think most churches are more interested in attendance than actually shepherding the people correctly. "If a luke-warm Christian stops giving you tithes, oh no!! How are we going to fund the church???" (sarcasm)

People don't put faith in God that if God wanted this church to thrive because it's sticking to scripture, that then people coming and going, wouldn't necessarily have a lasting effect. Not to mention, (side rant for a second) Why are churches pushing people to bring others to church??? That was never the point in scriptures, it was to go OUT and spread the gospel, go OUT and help people in need... Church should be for the body of Christ to learn, grow and fellowship with like-minded believers. Ones who want to do the Lords work and not just turn up to check a box on the weekend.

And how were we not warned about being lukewarm... Didn`t God say he would cut off the branches if they did not bear fruit. well there you have it.
so it say itself if they bear fruit they get what they need
It`s not gonna do well in eternity if we don`t do our best to act on it. As Jesus said, let those who hear, hear.
I said do our best. not be perfect.
I have always had the preach preach in me. The want to. It can be difficult, when it is just you. And through what forms. I ponder start a website. Maybe distribute it.

 

[Godcrazy]

I`m like.. wanna say to believers.. you wanna come together and pray for hours fast and have preaching the right stuff and deliverance and healing. kinda thing

 

[Godcrazy]

I agree, but I think most churches are more interested in attendance than actually shepherding the people correctly. "If a luke-warm Christian stops giving you tithes, oh no!! How are we going to fund the church???" (sarcasm)

People don't put faith in God that if God wanted this church to thrive because it's sticking to scripture, that then people coming and going, wouldn't necessarily have a lasting effect. Not to mention, (side rant for a second) Why are churches pushing people to bring others to church??? That was never the point in scriptures, it was to go OUT and spread the gospel, go OUT and help people in need... Church should be for the body of Christ to learn, grow and fellowship with like-minded believers. Ones who want to do the Lords work and not just turn up to check a box on the weekend.

we need to come back to the word and start act on it. we really have to

 

[Delvianna]

we need to come back to the word and start act on it. we really have to

Absolutely and honestly, I think that is why the tribulation period happens.

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-4

What's the falling away? (apostasia) From truth. It's not people turning away from Christ, it's not people suddenly declaring they no longer believe in God, it's literally, people stop preaching TRUTH, people stop accepting truth and people go off to preachers that preach what their itching ears want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3).

Hot take for a minute, I know a lot of people say America is mystery babylon... I think it's the church as a whole. Not the individual people as people can be saved within a false church, but the church as a WHOLE. This is why God says to come OUT of her (Revelation 18:4). So the church as an organization. Because people tend to accept/believe what their pastor/priest/leader says over what God could be directing them to. Because the vast majority of people don't even bother to search the scriptures themselves and let the Lord guide/direct/teach them, they get all their information from church leadership. And since no one is perfect, why are you putting your beliefs in the hands of someone and not even make sure that what they're saying is correct? That just sounds... insane to me.

I think of it like this... Satan from the very beginning twists the truth. He did it starting from the garden of eden, so why would he stop now? If you want to kill your enemy, corrupt it from within (wolves in sheep clothing). Just look at how many denominations there are! We cannot logically sit here and say that they ALL are truth when we can't agree scripturally. So that means that in 1 topic baptists could be right and the rest wrong, in another, pentecostals can be right and the rest wrong, etc etc.. Personally, I don't think there is a single denomination that has everything correct. And I think the main reason why, is because people have grown attached to relying on others, and their own wisdom instead of making truth be their number one priority.

When Jesus comes back, the church cannot be divided. We can't have a bunch of denominations running around claiming to be the arbiter of truth. The institution needs to die, and people need to go back to the source; God. Our salvation is a personal covenant between us and God, why have we made learning any different?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

Many faithful churches do teach about spiritual warfare, but they don’t always fantasticalize it the way popular books or movies might. Scripture presents the reality of Satan, demons, and temptation with utmost seriousness, yet it also emphasizes Christ’s victory and the believer’s armor in Him (Ephesians 6). In other words, the focus is not on dramatizing the conflict into something cinematic, but on grounding believers in the ordinary means of grace — Word, prayer, sacraments, and fellowship — by which we truly stand firm.

When spiritual warfare is mythologized, it can end up feeling larger-than-life, almost legendary, and even detached from the daily Christian walk. The biblical picture is different: it’s both ordinary and extraordinary. Ordinary in the sense that we resist temptation, fight sin, and pray daily; extraordinary in the sense that God Himself equips and sustains us in this unseen battle.

 

[Godcrazy]

Many faithful churches do teach about spiritual warfare, but they don’t always fantasticalize it the way popular books or movies might. Scripture presents the reality of Satan, demons, and temptation with utmost seriousness, yet it also emphasizes Christ’s victory and the believer’s armor in Him (Ephesians 6). In other words, the focus is not on dramatizing the conflict into something cinematic, but on grounding believers in the ordinary means of grace — Word, prayer, sacraments, and fellowship — by which we truly stand firm.

When spiritual warfare is mythologized, it can end up feeling larger-than-life, almost legendary, and even detached from the daily Christian walk. The biblical picture is different: it’s both ordinary and extraordinary. Ordinary in the sense that we resist temptation, fight sin, and pray daily; extraordinary in the sense that God Himself equips and sustains us in this unseen battle.

I have said before that although this is true we should not totally ignore it either or refuse to act on it what this post is about is that

 

[Indentured Servant]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

From my perspective, it's that people are afraid of the spiritual realm, because pastors often caution their people about it.

I once had to leave a church because I became aware that there was a deceiving spirit actively engaging with people during the service.

The pastor (impatiently) insisted I talk to him...

When I explained it, he told me that if I ever spoke of it, he would inform the congregation that I was being "deluded by Satan."

Long story, short, the pastor was the instrument of deception, and ended up betraying the entire congregation by closing the doors to "his" church and leaving without telling anyone, except the small group that was loyal to him.

I've been told by many 'christians' on social media, that by asking God for something specific, wisdom, knowledge, insight, etc, that I am actually communicating with unclean spirits that are deceiving me into believing they are God.

When I ask why they think that, it typically comes back to "my pastor says..."

I once heard a sermon from a preacher that was about going into the "deep end of the pool" of the spiritual world... But, throughout the sermon, he kept pointing far away from himself when inviting people to go "there"...

It didn't take long to realize, he was only ankle deep in that same pool, and had no personal experience "in the Spirit."

 

[Godcrazy]

From my perspective, it's that people are afraid of the spiritual realm, because pastors often caution their people about it.

I once had to leave a church because I became aware that there was a deceiving spirit actively engaging with people during the service.

The pastor (impatiently) insisted I talk to him...

When I explained it, he told me that if I ever spoke of it, he would inform the congregation that I was being "deluded by Satan."

Long story, short, the pastor was the instrument of deception, and ended up betraying the entire congregation by closing the doors to "his" church and leaving without telling anyone, except the small group that was loyal to him.

I've been told by many 'christians' on social media, that by asking God for something specific, wisdom, knowledge, insight, etc, that I am actually communicating with unclean spirits that are deceiving me into believing they are God.

When I ask why they think that, it typically comes back to "my pastor says..."

I once heard a sermon from a preacher that was about going into the "deep end of the pool" of the spiritual world... But, throughout the sermon, he kept pointing far away from himself when inviting people to go "there"...

It didn't take long to realize, he was only ankle deep in that same pool, and had no personal experience "in the Spirit."

WOW! My goodness! It is almost similar to what I experienced although different.
Interesting that you mention asking God about recieving something specific. It is not long ago I asked about discernment. I got it. Right after. Saw things I never would otherwise. And on a deeper level. RIGHT after i prayed. He`s been very gracious to me lately and answers prayer a lot. Right after i pray. Or shortly. I`m in awe every time and don`t take it for granted. He`s been so good to me. (and a lot of forest before that) I asked him to sort some things too and day after it was. Things that had gone hardwire. Just solved. I even ask for a good sleep and I sleep like a baby. He has been very kind. AND someone like that say it is of satan? For heavens sake help me God! That is far out. When all you do is pray. Like everyone else. Totally shocking. And they believe that just because they are told by their pastor??!!! Didn`t the bible say to always make sure it is according to the word! Pray, and He shall hear, ask, and He shall answer/give! This is the most far out I have heard a long time! How dare they say you listen to demons???!!! by praying! [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] that is almost like.. they are mocking the Spirit!!!!
You did not do anything wrong. At all. That is far out. then according to their logic if one prays they "might" pray to satan! well it is the logic.
It is true though we should be careful with satan and the demonic but we should neither fear it as God has all the power, and they cannot do anything. That is if we are with God. If we have opened doors, it is an invitation and like the exorcists says the devil works on invitations. Making us open doors. It is first game. Deception. What about the armour of God! Oh no, warfare. But, the bible say it. You cannot have an armour of God if there is no warfare!
The same church where they told me to shut basically I was given dreams about the church and the people there and God told me there was split in the church and if they did not stop, he would remove himself. I told the elder and he start to cry as he had been praying about it. He confirmed everything. It was two camps and split. Very soon I was in the supermarket and he stood right in front of me but ignored me and many in the church acted like stiff.
They just went to the wrong person, because I care about what God says, that is what counts, not opinions against the word, and as a truth teller and genuinely authentic person I absolutely cannot stand the opposite. And my life has already from start given me a lot of the opposite so I have had a lot of training and only more resolve. So good luck with that I am not turning one iota from the word. What man say when going against they can keep it, nicely said. I`m very much like Paul in those respects.
Very interesting. I am happy you know. Really know him. How can you not. He is the most glorious beautiful gracious. That they don`t realise, this is GOD you go against! His WORD!
I feel sorry for God. This must hurt.
And so many. Everyone, I have my heart at that right place. It is GOD and his word or not.
yeah many churches have been infiltrated by the new age. Paving the way for sin. lots of it. tarot. meditation. NAR. adultery, fornication, furries you name it.

I use to watch Mystery babylon church on youtube. she is genuine and shed light on all of this and the deception. They have been warning about infiltration ever since the 60`ies!
For sure a spirit. You make me see something important. THIS is the reason for a lot of stuff I have experienced that were nasty outright. That must be it. (granted there are also many wonderful people) Maybe he was part of the infiltration

 

[Godcrazy]

You know, I can`t stand sensing hearing from God about the uncleanness and spirits because I used to be in the new age and I know a thing or two about their methods and everything that comes with it, and how important holiness is. And as john Ramirez(satan worshipper born again pastor)say, he used to target christians especially, others too but especially christians and the only ones he could not touch, did not matter if they were christian or not, if they did not live a holy life and had a relationship with God, he could take them out very easily. From the horse mouth. (he could not touch other religions that did the same)

 

[Godcrazy]

So i am very keen try clean out always and all the does not matter.. can`t stand it

 

[NBB]

This is so important, if people just knew most 'mental illnesses' are spiritual issues, they would be more angry at the enemy and fighting more.
This is labeled as 'medieval' 'backwards' 'today there are doctors' 'there is medicine'
Is not of ignorant people, Jesus was not ignorant at all, and half his ministry was expulsing devils.
Today is even worse, but they like to hide a lot, so people are unaware the enemy is doing harm.

 

[David Lamb]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

I am sure that there are sadly some churches who never mention the spiritual warfare, demons, or attacks of the devil, but it isn't true of all churches, thank God! Any church where the preaching goes through whole books of the bible (rather than just pick out a text-verse here and there) cannot avoid such subjects. If the preaching is going through the letter to the Ephesians, for example, Chapter 6 includes a description of the Christian warfare, and the armour God provides. Going through 1 Peter, the preacher will come to the verse that talks about the Christian's adversary the devil going about like a roaring lion. And so on.

 

[com7fy8]

There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," we have in Ephesians 2:2.

So, I see from this, how any sort of disobedience is connected with Satan's spirit which "works" so people disobey.

So . . . Jesus says while we obey Him "you will find rest for your souls", in Matthew 11:28-30. So, while we do anything not in Jesus Christ's rest . . . I believe this failure can be because of giving in to Satan's evil spirit . . . at any time during the day.

To me, it seems possible that a person can believe in casting out demons, or not believe it, and either way the person can be failing to fight the spiritual warfare to do only what Jesus has us doing in sharing with Him in His rest at every moment.

And ones for or against casting out devils can both be not forgiving the way Jesus says >

"'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)

There are things that we need to have cast out of ourselves >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice." (Ephesians 4:31)

If we do this, we will see how this affects our mental condition.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment." (in 1 John 4:18)

God's love is almighty to cast out all sorts of fear with its various forms of "torment". This will affect a person's emotions and mental function.

But this love is all-loving love. We can not benefit from this, without becoming all-loving, with hope for any and all people > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7). However, there can be people for or against casting out devils, and both ways the people are not living in God's all-loving love with His perfect "rest for your souls".

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

Arguing and complaining, then, are anti-love. We need to get rid of whatever in us would just start us to argue or complain.

So, I'm just saying, whatever we believe, make sure we are with God and how He has us in our minds and feelings and emotions and ways of reacting. He is the One who is almighty to easily clear us of any wrong stuff, and have us loving in His way instead > including forgiving "even as God" . . . as much as we are with Him and sharing with Him in His love >

"And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:32)

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

How we are in our character has a lot to do with how we are emotionally and mentally. A person who is mainly about one's own self is in deep weakness making the person available to all sorts of horrible stuff. So, we have 1 Peter 3:4 >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is about how to be > our character > how God in us changes us to become . . . in His love which is gentle and quiet. And because God in His love is almighty with immunity against any and all evil and nasty emotions and feelings and thinking, this gentle and quiet spirit of God's love in us is > "incorruptible" > nothing of Satan's cruel emotional stuff can get the better of us while we are submitting to God in His gentle and quiet love and constant leading in this love.

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

I understand the " Armour of God" to be the indwelling of His Holy Spirit. We are to stay the course, not fall into the schemes of the adversary and to not " quench" His Spirit within. These battles are everyday occurrences brought on mostly by our own actions or the actions of others. The Armour given to each regenerated believer is our Helper. He guilds us in all truth and conviction of sin.

The flesh is the enemy because it is easily tempted by the adversary.

Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other..."


1 Thessalonians 3:5
"For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain."

Ultimately, we must understand that our faith is continually tested and it is the mandate of the adversary to tempt the flesh into sin. In conclusion, Spiritual warfare is between the flesh and His Spirit. If we remain in Him , He will be the one to "deliver us from evil". Set your mind on the things of His Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:5
"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit."

Be blessed