New belief among teenagers. What do you think?

[Tropical Wilds]

While I'm all for respecting the closed door on other people's inner bedrooms, those of us who are Christian are to admonish each other against a select handful of sexual endeavors that, in the sight of God, are immoral and/or border on the macabre.

Again, this is theorized sex practices based on what one assumes they do in bed based on their appearance engaging in a hobby. This is a fantasy sex life concocted for a whole class of people based off of the imaginations of one person, then that fantasy sex life projected onto everybody who has that hobby, then used to say “and that’s why the hobby is bad.”

It would be like rolling into a showing of Rocky Horror, seeing me all dressed up, then deciding because of how I’m dressed and where I’m at, I must participate in orgies and partner swapping, drugs, and cannibalism, then passing judgment on me for what you imagined, despite the fact it is just that… Your imagination.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

To my knowledge CF does not allow discussion of bedroom behavior outside of designated areas. Questions concerning appropriate/inappropriate acts are typically addressed in the marriage forum or with a chaplain.

~bella

When a moderator weighs in, we can go from there. Since we’re 21 pages in on people theorizing what furries sex life is, it can’t be all that inappropriate.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Again, this is theorized sex practices based on what one assumes they do in bed based on their appearance engaging in a hobby. This is a fantasy sex life concocted for a whole class of people based off of the imaginations of one person, then that fantasy sex life projected onto everybody who has that hobby, then used to say “and that’s why the hobby is bad.”

I wasn't specifically referring to those who engage in "furry" behavior. That was the other poster.

It would be like rolling into a showing of Rocky Horror, seeing me all dressed up, then deciding because of how I’m dressed and where I’m at, I must participate in orgies and partner swapping, drugs, and cannibalism, then passing judgment on me for what you imagined, despite the fact it is just that… Your imagination.

So, what St. Paul did (or even Jesus did) in providing the Church with admonitions on the realm of sexual behavior is like ........................................... my imagination?

Somehow, I think we're talking passed each other here. Let's just leave it there, Tropical.

 

[Godcrazy]

Furries are about being furries. The person who took it to the bedroom and theorized what they do in there is you.

The reality is that what occurs between consenting adults is zero of your concern. For all you know, they’re having the most vanilla sex known to man and the Christians you share a church pew with hang from the rafters like spider monkeys.

are you even a christian?
a christian would be concerned where God is in these things and holiness

 

[Niels]

I agree 100%. Unfortunately this means that the universe's moral code boils down to simply 'survival of the fittest'. From physics to chemistry, from chemistry to biology, from biology to consciousness, from consciousness to morality, it's 'survival of the fittest' all the way down.

As such I see no need for an intelligent designer. Although I wouldn't deny the possibility of the existence of an underlying consciousness, 'survival of the fittest' as the basic framework of it's methodology would seemingly keep it from being accurately described as a "Designer".

Unless your concept of a designer is overly restrictive, that doesn't necessarily follow. The universe changes over time. It isn't static. Which requires more intelligence, a static system or a dynamic system? Whatever produced our universe was sufficiently sophisticated to give us time and space.

Survival of the fittest isn't merely the notion of might makes right. In a social species like humans, it can look more like loving your neighbor as yourself. A group of brutes who bash each other over the head with clubs is no match for a group that builds hospitals, establishes universities, develops sophisticated defense systems, and helps each other so even the weak can make their unique contributions to society.

 

[Niels]

I wasn't specifically referring to those who engage in "furry" behavior. That was the other poster.

I have to wonder though, what even is furry behavior? They're basically stylized people who do what humans do. The bad and the good.

In the meantime, consider this artwork of Saint Christopher. Although it's safe to say he didn't look like this in real life, the idea of animal-headed people has a history within some Christian traditions.

 

[partinobodycular]

The universe changes over time. It isn't static. Which requires more intelligence,

In a universe that changes over time intelligence isn't necessary. Because in a universe that changes (I.E. one like ours, in which entropy always increases) that which persists over time will always come to dominate that which doesn't persist over time. Although, in all likelihood, nothing persists forever, except for the inescapable fact that nothing persists forever. But in the meantime, physics will inevitably give rise to chemistry, which will give rise to biology, which will give rise to consciousness and everything attendant with it, including empathy, and philosophy, and the concept of God.

Per convergent evolution the existence of intelligent beings with a zealous belief in God may be just as inevitable as the emergence of existence itself... because evolution will always follow the same process. Hence you'll always have the appearance of intelligent design without the need for an intelligent designer. Which oddly enough is the epitome of intelligent design... a design that doesn't require a designer, because just the simple fact that entropy always increases is enough to insure the existence of absolutely everything else.

Hence the greatest possible design, is the one that doesn't require a designer, but that doesn't leave the theist without hope, because even a designer-less universe still needs a cause.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I have to wonder though, what even is furry behavior? They're basically stylized people who do what humans do. The bad and the good.

In the meantime, consider this artwork of Saint Christopher. Although it's safe to say he didn't look like this in real life, the idea of animal-headed people has a history within some Christian traditions.

That's interesting, Niels, but as someone who is fully interested in historical objectivity and justified historical accounting, I'm wondering what you're sources are for this all too brief reference to "Saint Christopher," and by your insinuation, what sources you have for any of the other animal headed saints you've said exist within some traditions of Christianity.

Moreover, even if there is this tradition, what would this have to do with today's modern "furries"?

 

[Niels]

That's interesting, Niels, but as someone who is fully interested in historical objectivity and justified historical accounting, I'm wondering what you're sources are for this all too brief reference to "Saint Christopher," and by your insinuation, what sources you have for any of the other animal headed saints you've said exist within some traditions of Christianity.

Good question. My understanding is that Saint Christopher was mistakenly thought to be a Cynocephali, or dog-headed person. Possibly due to confusion over the words "Canaanite" and "canine". Before the mistake was realized, the Catholic Church sometimes portrayed him with the head of a dog. This became a traditional depiction of him.

Moreover, even if there is this tradition, what would this have to do with today's modern "furries"?

Simply put, a furry is an anthropomorphic animal or a fan of anthropomorphic animals. The dog-headed depiction of Saint Christopher is a furry because he is portrayed as an anthropomorphic animal.

I would argue that this is a stronger connection to modern furries than Nero dressing martyrs in animal skins.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

are you even a christian?

Yes. How about you? Are you even Christian?

a christian would be concerned where God is in these things and holiness

I guess I missed the part of the Bible that talks about how I should occupy myself with thoughts on how furries are having sex and imagining what sexual practices they engage in.

 

[Godcrazy]

Yes. How about you? Are you even Christian?

I guess I missed the part of the Bible that talks about how I should occupy myself with thoughts on how furries are having sex and imagining what sexual practices they engage in.

the exorcists have mentioned how unhealthy and deviant practices regarding those things do invite the evil in opening doors. People have got problems from it. Many people. I know the way of thinking but I do not agree, it is unclean I saw a lot during my time away from God and this was definitely one of them, and I felt and saw the oppression that came with it

 

[Tropical Wilds]

the exorcists have mentioned how unhealthy and deviant practices regarding those things do invite the evil in opening doors.

I don’t take spiritual advice from exorcists.

People have got problems from it. Many people.

Well then I encourage them to not engage in practices they don’t enjoy or want to participate in.

I know the way of thinking but I do not agree, it is unclean I saw a lot during my time away from God and this was definitely one of them, and I felt and saw the oppression that came with it

My experiences with cosplayers and furries and people who are in the various fandoms has been quite different. Sounds like you decided to run with a rough crowd.

 

[Godcrazy]

I don’t take spiritual advice from exorcists.

Well then I encourage them to not engage in practices they don’t enjoy or want to participate in.

My experiences with cosplayers and furries and people who are in the various fandoms has been quite different. Sounds like you decided to run with a rough crowd.

I used to say that. Until I experienced the demonic attachement with it.

 

[Godcrazy]

I don’t take spiritual advice from exorcists.

Well then I encourage them to not engage in practices they don’t enjoy or want to participate in.

My experiences with cosplayers and furries and people who are in the various fandoms has been quite different. Sounds like you decided to run with a rough crowd.

the devil does not need you to agree with it, as long as you open the door

 

[Niels]

In a universe that changes over time intelligence isn't necessary. Because in a universe that changes (I.E. one like ours, in which entropy always increases) that which persists over time will always come to dominate that which doesn't persist over time. Although, in all likelihood, nothing persists forever, except for the inescapable fact that nothing persists forever. But in the meantime, physics will inevitably give rise to chemistry, which will give rise to biology, which will give rise to consciousness and everything attendant with it, including empathy, and philosophy, and the concept of God.

A dynamic system requires considerably more intelligence to design than a static system. Have you ever designed a machine or written a computer program?

Per convergent evolution the existence of intelligent beings with a zealous belief in God may be just as inevitable as the emergence of existence itself... because evolution will always follow the same process. Hence you'll always have the appearance of intelligent design without the need for an intelligent designer. Which oddly enough is the epitome of intelligent design... a design that doesn't require a designer, because just the simple fact that entropy always increases is enough to insure the existence of absolutely everything else.

The concept of God shares more in common with existence itself. One might describe nature as emerging from God, but the idea of God emerging from nature would by definition disqualify such an entity from being its Creator.

Appearances aren't as important to somebody who enjoys understanding how things work.

Hence the greatest possible design, is the one that doesn't require a designer, but that doesn't leave the theist without hope, because even a designer-less universe still needs a cause.

It sounds like you may have been a believer in God of the gaps, along with perhaps young Earth 6 literal day creationism. If so you have my sympathies, but that isn't where this theist is coming from.

 

[Hans Blaster]

A dynamic system requires considerably more intelligence to design than a static system. Have you ever designed a machine or written a computer program?

I have, but first you need evidence that the system is designed. (This is all way off topic. We have a section for that here.

 

[Niels]

I have, but first you need evidence that the system is designed. (This is all way off topic. We have a section for that here

When people ask for evidence in discussions like this, they're often looking for proof. What we're discussing is more of a philosophical question than a scientific one. I am familiar with the physical and life sciences section and plan to post there when I have more time.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Good question. My understanding is that Saint Christopher was mistakenly thought to be a Cynocephali, or dog-headed person. Possibly due to confusion over the words "Canaanite" and "canine". Before the mistake was realized, the Catholic Church sometimes portrayed him with the head of a dog. This became a traditional depiction of him.


Simply put, a furry is an anthropomorphic animal or a fan of anthropomorphic animals. The dog-headed depiction of Saint Christopher is a furry because he is portrayed as an anthropomorphic animal.

I would argue that this is a stronger connection to modern furries than Nero dressing martyrs in animal skins.

On a historical level, I don't think there's a connection between Nero and modern furries. Rather, he's the first thing that comes to mind when I hear or see someone refer to that term.

If a person wants to dress up as an animal, that's their own business as long as they're not demanding equal litter box time in children's public schools. I've heard stories; I hope they're merely rumors.

 

[rambot]

While I'm all for respecting the closed door on other people's inner bedrooms, those of us who are Christian are to admonish each other against a select handful of sexual endeavors that, in the sight of God, are immoral and/or border on the macabre.

No...not just for a "select handful of sexual endeavors"...we are called to do that for any brothers and sisters who are falling. IF someone falls into a gambling addiction, if someone is beating their wife. If someone is a bully or habitually unkind.

What is the obsession with sexual deviance?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

No...not just for a "select handful of sexual endeavors"...we are called to do that for any brothers and sisters who are falling. IF someone falls into a gambling addiction, if someone is beating their wife. If someone is a bully or habitually unkind.

What is the obsession with sexual deviance?

I think you missed the context of my above response. OBVIOUSLY, Christians are called to admonish any brothers and sister in Christ for any sins in general.

However, what I was addressing with the previous poster was the left leaning defense implying that Christians in a democratic society have no business whatsoever to address the sexual sins of other people, even of other Christians.

So, you need to reel back the false targeting and reduction of what it is you merely think I said. What I'm addressing does not come out of "an obsession."

But, on the other hand, since you dared to bring it up, it's not a secret that I'm all for verbally and analytically crushing the Philosophy of Hugh Hefner and its various commercial and psychological effects on society, wherever they may be found.