New belief among teenagers. What do you think?

[Godcrazy]

What does identifying with animals have to do with sex?

well I have experience of knowing people when I was away from God that were having their experiences, so to speak. It is a known community among the sexually deviant and the like sadly to say to experiment with being animals or dress out like one, really believing it or role play. Role play is huge. And yes they fetish it.

 

[Godcrazy]

One time a guy I briefly dated when I was away from God dressed out out of the blue as a baby in plastic baby nappies and suit. I am not joking. And I do not have to say it end there.

 

[Niels]

She has been implying that "morality" is embedded in the fundamental structure of the Universe. It is not.

If by fundamental structure you are referring to a hydrogen atom, for instance, then I agree with you that a hydrogen atom lacks moral agency. Likewise, mathematics and gravity lack moral agency. They are fundamental to the structure of the universe, yet aren't moral in this sense.

However, moral beings are comprised of such things. It's embedded in our DNA. We are composed of components. Humans, and to a lesser extent nonhuman animals, demonstrate varying degrees of moral agency.

It looks to me like she's suggesting that there is an ideal morality. Similar to Plato's notion of forms. And that we may gain greater insight, through time and evolution, into what the ideal form of morality is.

Regardless of whether there is an ideal form of morality, it seems to me that our moral agency is embedded in the fundamental structure of the universe. If not, then where does it come from?

It would be different if i had a different upbrining too. Morality is far to subjective to have anything to do with the fundamental properties of the Universe.

Your moral code may differ, but you would still have a morality as a natural consequence of being human.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If by fundamental structure you are referring to a hydrogen atom, for instance, then I agree with you that a hydrogen atom lacks moral agency. Likewise, mathematics and gravity lack moral agency. They are fundamental to the structure of the universe, yet aren't moral in this sense.

She was seemingly writing such.

However, moral beings are comprised of such things. It's embedded in our DNA. We are composed of components. Humans, and to a lesser extent nonhuman animals, demonstrate varying degrees of moral agency.

Arising from the structures of our brains.

It looks to me like she's suggesting that there is an ideal morality. Similar to Plato's notion of forms. And that we may gain greater insight, through time and evolution, into what the ideal form of morality is.

Platonic forms are Greek nonsense.

Regardless of whether there is an ideal form of morality, it seems to me that our moral agency is embedded in the fundamental structure of the universe. If not, then where does it come from?

Minds and brains.

Your moral code may differ, but you would still have a morality as a natural consequence of being human.

As we have evolved to do.

 

[Larniavc]

That is your problem if you don't believe in God.

It’s subjective if you believe in God too. He can command children’s skull to be bashed in. You can’t.

 

[Larniavc]

Something is good if it leads you to God and being led to God means doing His will and obeying His commandments (Thou shall not kill).

Unless it’s the children of another tribe obviously.

 

[Larniavc]

well I have experience of knowing people when I was away from God that were having their experiences, so to speak. It is a known community among the sexually deviant and the like sadly to say to experiment with being animals or dress out like one, really believing it or role play. Role play is huge. And yes they fetish it.

If it doesn’t hurt anyone where’s the beef? I’m not seeing any beef.

 

[Niels]

She was seemingly writing such.

Arising from the structures of our brains.

Platonic forms are Greek nonsense.

Minds and brains.

As we have evolved to do.

Evolution can be considered a property of the fundamental structure of the universe, from which our capacity for moral agency arises. This suggests the existence of an ideal morality embedded within the system. One that more advanced life has a greater capacity to understand.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Evolution can be considered a property of the fundamental structure of the universe, from which our capacity for moral agency arises. This suggests the existence of an ideal morality embedded within the system. One that more advanced life has a greater capacity to understand.

No. You are misusing the word "fundamental" as applied to the properties of the universe.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

well I have experience of knowing people when I was away from God that were having their experiences, so to speak. It is a known community among the sexually deviant and the like sadly to say to experiment with being animals or dress out like one, really believing it or role play. Role play is huge. And yes they fetish it.

Again, we find Christianity wandering into people's bedrooms to see what they're doing in there.

Role play. As in, playing a role. To pretend to be doing something. PRETEND.

One time a guy I briefly dated when I was away from God dressed out out of the blue as a baby in plastic baby nappies and suit. I am not joking. And I do not have to say it end there.

In what context? He just wandered into a room dressed as a baby? And expected what?

 

[Niels]

No. You are misusing the word "fundamental" as applied to the properties of the universe.

Thanks. This isn't a concept that I often discuss. Evolution and morality is better be described here as emergent proceses or properties. What I'm trying to articulate is that they are both consequential to the universe.

For what it's worth, I think of the universe as highly, perhaps entirely, mathematical. But that is another discussion for another day in a different thread.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Thanks. This isn't a concept that I often discuss. Evolution and morality is better be described here as emergent proceses or properties. What I'm trying to articulate is that they are both consequential to the universe.

The evolution and morality matter to us Earthlings, but not so much to the Universe itself.

For what it's worth, I think of the universe as highly, perhaps entirely, mathematical. But that is another discussion for another day in a different thread.

Definitely a different thread on a different sub-forum. Cheers.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Again, we find Christianity wandering into people's bedrooms to see what they're doing in there.

Yes, we do find that, but it has always done that, and in the New Testament writings we see it primarily doing so within the Church rather than outside of it. This should be evident by the fact that in the earliest Christian documents, i.e. those cited as the authentic letters of Paul, we find admonition by Paul to Christians to repent of and grow out of being engaged in Grecian/Roman style sexual proclivities.

It's probably not too much to say that just because we live in the liberated, ideologically revolutionized 21st century, that we who are Christians are now free from those admonitions. On the other hand, politically enforcing our Christian moral doctrines upon a "Christ-less" world that needs to meet Christ first before it may be willing to consent to behavioral changes, will typically be met, as it always has been, with firm resistance.

Then, for the fact that Emperor Nero is known to have used animal skins as part of his costume, particularly during the brutal persecution of Christians, where they were dressed in these skins and subjected to attacks by wild animals in public spectacles, some Christians may have hesitantation to apply notions of normality to furries. This practice was part of the gruesome entertainment during Nero's reign. It might be no wonder that animal bearing fetishes could be seen now with spectacles of disapproval in whatever form or use for activities that might only be expected during celebrations of Halloween.

Role play. As in, playing a role. To pretend to be doing something. PRETEND.

In what context? He just wandered into a room dressed as a baby? And expected what?

 

[partinobodycular]

Evolution can be considered a property of the fundamental structure of the universe, from which our capacity for moral agency arises. This suggests the existence of an ideal morality embedded within the system.

I agree 100%. Unfortunately this means that the universe's moral code boils down to simply 'survival of the fittest'. From physics to chemistry, from chemistry to biology, from biology to consciousness, from consciousness to morality, it's 'survival of the fittest' all the way down.

As such I see no need for an intelligent designer. Although I wouldn't deny the possibility of the existence of an underlying consciousness, 'survival of the fittest' as the basic framework of it's methodology would seemingly keep it from being accurately described as a "Designer".

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Unless it’s the children of another tribe obviously.

Are we talking about the Canaanites?

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The last paragraph in this essay talks about "the bashing of children's heads" in Psalm 137:8,9

 

[Larniavc]

The last paragraph in this essay talks about "the bashing of children's heads" in Psalm 137:8,9

I prefer to read the Bible myself rather than let someone else interpret it for me.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

 

[Godcrazy]

Again, we find Christianity wandering into people's bedrooms to see what they're doing in there.

Role play. As in, playing a role. To pretend to be doing something. PRETEND.

In what context? He just wandered into a room dressed as a baby? And expected what?

It is unclean, not pure, the origins are not either. It comes from deviant sexuality. I do not think a real christian participate in that as we are called to live in holiness

 

[Tropical Wilds]

It is unclean, not pure, the origins are not either. It comes from deviant sexuality. I do not think a real christian participate in that as we are called to live in holiness

Furries are about being furries. The person who took it to the bedroom and theorized what they do in there is you.

The reality is that what occurs between consenting adults is zero of your concern. For all you know, they’re having the most vanilla sex known to man and the Christians you share a church pew with hang from the rafters like spider monkeys.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Furries are about being furries. The person who took it to the bedroom and theorized what they do in there is you.

The reality is that what occurs between consenting adults is zero of your concern. For all you know, they’re having the most vanilla sex known to man and the Christians you share a church pew with hang from the rafters like spider monkeys.

While I'm all for respecting the closed door on other people's inner bedrooms, those of us who are Christian are to admonish each other against a select handful of sexual endeavors that, in the sight of God, are immoral and/or border on the macabre.

 

[bèlla]

To my knowledge CF does not allow discussion of bedroom behavior outside of designated areas. Questions concerning appropriate/inappropriate acts are typically addressed in the marriage forum or with a chaplain.

~bella