The Conjunction of Opposites

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Methinks Michael knows his limitations.

Looks like 4 words from Michael sent Satan packing

 

[AV1611VET]

Looks like 4 words from Michael sent Satan packing

And he didn't get Moses' body, either; since God buried Moses Himself.

 

[JulieB67]

Does not apply to Satan or devils. Sorry

Just because they fell does not mean they still do no look like us or other angels. They will be here sometime in the future, that is a reality.

Again, I don't think Michael and his angels were literally fighting spirits. They were fighting other angels.

We're no better than any other sinners. Romans 3:8

All are under sin but not all have found repentance therefore. having their sins washed away. We see even at the end in Revelation, some will not repent. That is on them.

And remember through faith in his blood Christ is the propitiation for the remission of sins past.

It's not optional and every word of God applies to everyone,

It's good to know every word, yes but specific verses do not apply to everyone. For example, not everyone is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Only those not written in the book in the book of like. We have to take the bible as a whole but we can make distinctions within the word and how it applies to different people.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Just because they fell does not mean they still do no look like us or other angels. They will be here sometime in the future, that is a reality.

Satan and his subsequent seeds have been on/in the earth from day 1 of mankind

Again, I don't think Michael and his angels were literally fighting spirits. They were fighting other angels.

Satan and his messengers are both angels and spirits, wicked/evil ones

You may have bought into some tall tale of some sort or another from dime store end time fantasy novels

All are under sin but not all have found repentance therefore.

We've done this drill numerous times. No one hecomes sinless before or after repentance---> because the tempter remains involved within everyone and is the evil present within us all.

We are literally bound with our enemy in the flesh. Too many scriptures to repeat again.

having their sins washed away.

Sins aren't counted against people to start with. What believers are supposed to know from the Word is that we are not the sin/evil present with us. Thetefore we know our division from it.

We see even at the end in Revelation, some will not repent. That is on them.

Devils never repent and even if they did it's a lie

And remember through faith in his blood Christ is the propitiation for the remission of sins past.

Whatever. You're position flounders the instant you claim you're sinless in any case. Such phonies openly show they're under control of liars and should be avoided

It's good to know every word, yes but specific verses do not apply to everyone.

Every word of God applies to everyone.

The Bible contains words that are not God's Words.

For example, not everyone is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

The spirit of disobedience that is within all people will therein be tossed into the LoF

Only those not written in the book in the book of like. We have to take the bible as a whole but we can make distinctions within the word and how it applies to different people.

Well God will save you, but not your flesh captor, so there's that

 

[JulieB67]

Satan and his subsequent seeds have been on/in the earth from day 1 of mankind

Yes, evil spirits still roam around, etc

But this is still future-

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

It was prophesized long ago that he would sit on the throne in the sides of the north proclaiming to be God. (disguised as that angel of light)

Paul states that it's for "this evil day" that the gospel is armor must be in place.

ou may have bought into some tall tale of some sort or another from dime store end time fantasy novels

God's word is not fantasy. I'm a scripture person first and foremost. If God tells me he will sit on the throne proclaiming to be God, I choose to believe that. I don't deal in fantasy such as the Left Behind books which are pure nonsense.

No one hecomes sinless before or after repentance

Yes, we have. No one becomes sinless but this verse is possible. A verse you continually ignore.

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Have you seriously not went through this process? Do you not want to put God's will over your own?

We are literally bound with our enemy in the flesh

Again, you claim to accept every word but then verses like this you don't believe?


Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

This is simply putting God's will over our own. When we do that, naturally we do not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Is it a war within our flesh and spirit, yes, of course and sometimes we do miss the mark and fall short. But it's always been about putting God's will over our own. About walking in the spirit. Are you seriously not able to do this at all? Do you constantly live in sin without caring?

Sins aren't counted against people to start with.

I showed you the very verses that prove they do count. Christ states if someone doesn't repent and overcome after they have fallen in sin they are in danger of having their names blotted out. You can't insert Satan here. He is not in the book of life.

Thetefore we know our division from it.

There is a division. Those who abide in Christ and those who don't. Satan and his have already been judged.

Why do you think God is so long suffering at this point? Because he's waiting on Satan and his to repent? Ridiculous. It's the people he doesn't want to perish and that should come to repentance. Meaning their sins do count against them. To say otherwise to would be to lie against God's Word.

Devils never repent and even if they did it's a lie

I'm talking about the people in Revelation that do not repent of their deeds. We aren't talking about devils.

Whatever.

Yeah, whatever, push aside verses as if they don't matter.

You're position flounders the instant you claim you're sinless in any case.

Do you have a problem remembering previous posts? I want to call you a liar because I have never claimed that. I have spoken the exact opposite. So I'm thinking you might have a problem remembering everyone's posts and who has said what.

The spirit of disobedience that is within all people will therein be tossed into the LoF

There's no sense really going on if you're going to continually change God's word. I want to have honest conversations/debate within God's word.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Isaiah 45:7 – “I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil (raʿ); I the Lord do all these things.”

It's a general foul to rule God's activity out of anything that transpires in His creation. That would actually be a Godless proposition. Not a fit position for believers.

God openly worked and works, at a minimum, retributive evil in the scriptures and to this day as well.

It is valid reason enough to legitimately fear Him. And not merely lip service, but recognized and even experienced fear.

Christianity is the first in line for adverse judgements.

Look at what's happening to our countries in general, embroiled in various forms of evil, corruption and the ill that comes from it all

Yes, God Is Active. And often not on the nicey nice side of things.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Yes, evil spirits still roam around, etc

But this is still future-

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Already happened, from day 1 of mankind.

Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

That's the legitimate hatred of our own lives because of the presence of the tempter/evil within. Luke 14:26, Mark 7:21-23

Believers just get led straight in to outright denial.

Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

It was prophesized long ago that he would sit on the throne in the sides of the north proclaiming to be God. (disguised as that angel of light)

Satan already sits in the temple of mankinds bodies, as the usurper he is.

Paul states that it's for "this evil day" that the gospel is armor must be in place.

People have again been in this war from day 1. Satan deceives the whole world.

God's word is not fantasy. I'm a scripture person first and foremost. If God tells me he will sit on the throne proclaiming to be God, I choose to believe that. I don't deal in fantasy such as the Left Behind books which are pure nonsense.

You read future only in complete neglect of past and present. Nothing more

Yes, we have. No one becomes sinless but this verse is possible. A verse you continually ignore.

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Again, no account of the adversary. Your position thinks quite falsely it's only you.

Have you seriously not went through this process? Do you not want to put God's will over your own?

God's Will is expressed continually. The grand finale, which IS a final event, is when Satan and his messengers are sent to the flames.

Again, you claim to accept every word but then verses like this you don't believe?

Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

This is simply putting God's will over our own. When we do that, naturally we do not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

And again you have a simple one side only sight that falsely justifies you, completely ignoring the facts of evil within and temptations of the tempter. IF this is not our reality there is no fight but with our own evil selves.

Is it a war within our flesh and spirit, yes,

Well, glad you're kind of creeping up on the obvious.

of course and sometimes we do miss the mark and fall short.

The tempter and evil within will remain short, period. Your position just wiggles on the hook of reality trying to avoid the facts.

But it's always been about putting God's will over our own. About walking in the spirit. Are you seriously not able to do this at all? Do you constantly live in sin without caring?

Your will is incapable of making you sinless by your own admissions.

I showed you the very verses that prove they do count. Christ states if someone doesn't repent and overcome after they have fallen in sin they are in danger of having their names blotted out. You can't insert Satan here. He is not in the book of life.

We don't overcome an adversary we claim not to have and engage. That engagement is internal.

There is a division. Those who abide in Christ and those who don't. Satan and his have already been judged.

Why do you think God is so long suffering at this point? Because he's waiting on Satan and his to repent? Ridiculous.

Obviously Satan isn't repenting and your turning doesn't exempt you from the tempter

It's the people he doesn't want to perish and that should come to repentance. Meaning their sins do count against them. To say otherwise to would be to lie against God's Word.


I'm talking about the people in Revelation that do not repent of their deeds. We aren't talking about devils.

You only want to look at people and never the adversaries unseen. A classic void in perceptions

Yeah, whatever, push aside verses as if they don't matter.


Do you have a problem remembering previous posts? I want to call you a liar because I have never claimed that. I have spoken the exact opposite. So I'm thinking you might have a problem remembering everyone's posts and who has said what.

I just read your positions as continually excusing the scriptures you don't like to apply personally is all.

There's no sense really going on if you're going to continually change God's word. I want to have honest conversations/debate within God's word.

I don't care for a half story that attempts to plaster over what I look forward to. The end of devils, a promise of the Gospel, and also part of truthful Christian hope.

Part of that event includes honesty and exposure, uncomfortable as it always is.

 

[Aseyesee]

Methinks Michael knows his limitations.

I would use the word boundaries ...

 

[JulieB67]

Already happened, from day 1 of mankind.

The scriptures speak for themselves. We'll see...

As I stated on the other thread I guess we're finished. I'd rather take the bible as a whole and trust Christ's words on the second death, who's in danger of it, etc. This going back and forth is going nowhere.

Believe what you will.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The scriptures speak for themselves. We'll see...

As I stated on the other thread I guess we're finished. I'd rather take the bible as a whole and trust Christ's words on the second death, who's in danger of it, etc. This going back and forth is going nowhere.

Believe what you will.

Spin it however

 

[DamianWarS]

God "intentionally" created an adversary in the form of the antiChrist spirit, the spirit of disobedience, the DEVIL, Satan.

Does this adversary have a free will?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Does this adversary have a free will?

Nope. It's nothing more than robotic action. The switch will be turned off at some point and the antispiritual machinery will be shut down and tossed aside into the eternal fire junk pile

And on we will go