ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

[The Barbarian]

Start with Jimmy Kimmel claiming MAGA assassinated Kirk.

Too early to say that yet, although there is evidence for it. My guess is that he was a severely troubled kid who was infected by hate he was exposed to online, and was otherwise acting on his own.

 

[Servus]

You mean like the MAGA movement killed him? Is that what Kimmel claimed?

I guess you're just really in the dark about what Kimmel said. Even though I posted a transcript of it. It's either that or you're trolling me. Either way I'm not going to reply to you anymore in this thread.

 

[Servus]

Jesse is your source. Okay then!

It showed up on my feed along with several other unrelated things. I don't watch his show. He had some good comments on this topic though.

 

[durangodawood]

I guess you're just really in the dark about what Kimmel said. Even though I posted a transcript of it. It's either that or you're trolling me. Either way I'm not going to reply to you anymore in this thread.

Youre not making sense. Kimmel basically said the murderer was maga. That may well be false, and I think was dumb to say. But its certainly not saying the maga movement killed Mr Kirk.

You seem to be bending what Mr Kimmel actually said into whatever you need to sustain the maximum degree of outrage.

 

[Servus]

He was mocking those who were dancing on Kirk's body, trying to make political points about it.

Which to those who were doing it, was a greater outrage than if he had actually mocked Kirk.

The ones dancing on his grave and celebrating his death and claiming the killer was right-winger/MAGA/Groyper are the ones who tried to make political points about the assassination of a political commentator.

Of course it makes no sense whatsoever to say anyone is making the assassination of a political commentator a political matter as if it isn't a political matter. It was okay to say the assassin was a MAGA, but once it's made clear he is a lefty, then it's "don't make this political".

 

[The Barbarian]

 

[The Barbarian]

He was mocking those who were dancing on Kirk's body, trying to make political points about it.

Which to those who were doing it, was a greater outrage than if he had actually mocked Kirk.

The ones dancing on his grave and celebrating his death and claiming the killer was right-winger/MAGA/Groyper are the ones who tried to make political points about the assassination of a political commentator.

Well, that's a testable claim...

“It is a vast domestic terror movement,” said Miller, speaking of left-wing political organizations.

“With God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people,” he added. “It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

'We will do it in Charlie's name': Stephen Miller vows vengeance for Kirk's murder

Vice President JD Vance, hosting the podcast once helmed by Kirk, also encouraged people to make trouble for those who were "celebrating" the conservative activist's death.

www.nbcnews.com

Nice try, though.

Of course it makes no sense whatsoever to say anyone is making the assassination of a political commentator a political matter as if it isn't a political matter.

It could have been the Groypers who hated him; their slogans were on the cases of the bullets that killed him. They certainly hated Kirk. But it could also have been one disturbed young man. And as the days pass, it looks more and more like that. Not saying that it couldn't have been far-right extremists; they've done political killing before. Most recently the Minnesota Speaker of the House and her husband. As you know, right wing terrorists are responsible for the great majority of pollitical killings in America. It's an intrinsic property of right-wing extremism.

But in this case so far, it's not proven. Be patient.

 

[Chesterton]

It does mean, however, that one was approved by the officials elected by the people and one was not.

I was around and remember specifically why Affirmative Action was necessary. You apparently do not.

Thank you for using the past tense - it was necessary.

Then you must understand the difference and are merely being disingenuous.

The person who blurred the difference was the person Kirk was talking with. I admit I did the same. I wasn't thinking anyone would get pedantic about it. But the bottom line is they both want to fill quotas.

 

[Chesterton]

I've followed Destiny and never heard him advocate for political violence against conservative people.

He has said conservatives need to feel fear of being physically attacked. He himself admitted that he was going to murder a conservative. He went into detail about how he purchased a gun and was planning it, but then changed his mind because he was making too much money online. His story might not be true, maybe he just wanted to sound like a tough guy, but he's so psycho it could be true. Look it up if you don't trust me, I'm not going to do the homework.

Despite the blunt tone Destiny used, I think it's generally true that having Trump in office has indirectly promoted the kinds of political violence we have seen in the past decade. Trump promotes extremist ideas and extremist individuals around him, so it's not surprising that more people feel the symbolic weight of that, a kind of changing of norms that doesn't just change the overton window, it erodes faith in the dependability of institutions.

Trump loves America, and wants to promote its best interests. The people who hate America hate Trump.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Trump loves America, and wants to promote its best interests. The people who hate America hate Trump.

Trump only likes a portion of America. I’ve never seen him show anything but contempt for the over 70 million Americans who voted against him.

 

[Chesterton]

Is that a serious question? Why would your average white guy be a better flyer than your average black guy? What does your ethnic background have to do with your ability to land a plane?

Why would your average black guy be a better basketball player than your average white guy?

 

[durangodawood]

Why would your average black guy be a better basketball player than your average white guy?

I think you nailed it. Black men are typically too tall to fly planes.

 

[BCP1928]

He has said conservatives need to feel fear of being physically attacked. He himself admitted that he was going to murder a conservative. He went into detail about how he purchased a gun and was planning it, but then changed his mind because he was making too much money online. His story might not be true, maybe he just wanted to sound like a tough guy, but he's so psycho it could be true. Look it up if you don't trust me, I'm not going to do the homework.

Trump loves America, and wants to promote its best interests. The people who hate America hate Trump.

Many who love America also hate Trump and what he thinks those "best interests" are.

 

[Chesterton]

So he's claiming that black pilots don't meet the same standards?

If you set a goal of hiring ten new pilots with pink hair this year, and only nine new pilots with pink hair meet the standards, you'll have to either tinker with the standards, or accept one who doesn't meet the standards.

 

[Chesterton]

Trump only likes a portion of America. I’ve never seen him show anything but contempt for the over 70 million Americans who voted against him.

So he doesn't show love for people who despise him? Okay.

 

[Chesterton]

I think you nailed it. Black men are typically too tall to fly planes.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

So he doesn't show love for people who despise him? Okay.

You believe everyone who voted for him loves him and everyone who voted against him hates him? That’s a very simplistic view of the world.

In any case, every president has had people vote against them. None have ever been quite so hateful towards so many Americans over political differences.

 

[Chesterton]

You believe everyone who voted for him loves him and everyone who voted against him hates him? That’s a very simplistic view of the world.

Even in real life, I've never met anyone who was just lukewarm about him.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Even in real life, I've never met anyone who was just lukewarm about him.

A logical consequence of splitting everything into an “us vs them” worldview.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

If you set a goal of hiring ten new pilots with pink hair this year, and only nine new pilots with pink hair meet the standards, you'll have to either tinker with the standards, or accept one who doesn't meet the standards.

Or not make your goal.