Do we worship together with those who reject Jesus?

[Carl Emerson]

I notice that invitation has been given for Christians to join Jews for prayer on the Temple Mount in response to Charlie Kirks Assassination.

How does that work when Judaism rejects Jesus as Messiah and is essentially therefore, antichrist.

Please don't misunderstand me - I have a deep love for Jews but have deep concerns for supporting their official religion in it's present form.

Are believers being primed to support the building of the third temple?

The temple institute seems to be planning a temple that would invite fellowship from any religion.

Should we be supporting this initiative ???

Yehudah Glick: 'Jews and Christians will pray for Charlie on the Temple Mount'

Former MK Yehudah Glick, himself the survivor of an assassination attempt, will lead a prayer gathering of Jews and Christians at 'the house of prayer for all nations.'

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[rebornfree]

I think it comes down to Whom we are praying to. As we believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and they don't believe in God the Son I think that praying together may not be a good idea.

As for praying regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think that it doesn't need to be done on the Temple Mount. I'm sure people are praying in their homes and churches.

There is a mixing of Christianity and politics in the USA which doesn't sit well with me, but I don't live there. (I'm in the UK). I feel as if Trump et. al. are trying to bring about events by political means which should come about spiritually, but I'm not very clear about this on my own mind.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

I notice that invitation has been given for Christians to join Jews for prayer on the Temple Mount in response to Charlie Kirks Assassination.

How does that work when Judaism rejects Jesus as Messiah and is essentially therefore, antichrist.

Please don't misunderstand me - I have a deep love for Jews but have deep concerns for supporting their official religion in it's present form.

Are believers being primed to support the building of the third temple?

The temple institute seems to be planning a temple that would invite fellowship from any religion.

Should we be supporting this initiative ???

Yehudah Glick: 'Jews and Christians will pray for Charlie on the Temple Mount'

Former MK Yehudah Glick, himself the survivor of an assassination attempt, will lead a prayer gathering of Jews and Christians at 'the house of prayer for all nations.'

www.israelnationalnews.com

Interesting question; was Paul worshipping with his fellow Jews when he visited the synagogues on Sabbath to attend the regular service and also hand-out his message that Yeshua was the long-awaited Messiah (as Paul used to do on his mission journeys throughout Turkey, Greece and Rome) ? I think he did ... simply attending that Sabbath service would imply that.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is also the God of the Christians ... We worship the same God as our Father. As Paul said, most Jews are temporarily blinded in their spiritual vision and can't 'see' that Yeshua is the Messiah yet .. but they will in the future.

 

[bèlla]

I don’t have an opinion on the event and coming from a jewish background back to the church makes it easy for me to fellowship to a point but I wouldn’t say it’s the appropriate choice for everyone and would address the matter in prayer. There were a few ecumenical events in our community that were held in a synagogue and if memory serves Christ’s name was never mentioned. Given the location and the country’s relationship with Israel I would expect them to set the tone to some degree.

And that’s the point in the opening you must consider. What‘s your comfort zone? For many, it’s a one time event but I see things differently. Judaism as its practiced today isn’t the one from the bible and there’s also the talmud. Every synagogue has classes on the subject and its influences are felt.

We’d be wise to draw clues from our relationship with Israel with our current and previous administrations for insight. I don’t believe America‘s in charge or influencing them to the degree they suggest. Nor is that evident in their body language or the prime minister’s. If there‘s a question of support of the third temple. Don’t be surprised if you see it with funding.

You already know the truth if you’re following the news. It’s just a question of accepting what you see and deciding.

~bella

 

[Carl Emerson]

If there‘s a question of support of the third temple. Don’t be surprised if you see it with funding.

Sadly I think that is the way things are headed.

If this eventuates I will be very doubtful about Donald's claim to faith.

I really find it hard to understand how any serious believer can justify supporting Judaism in it's present form.

 

[Kathleen30]

I notice that invitation has been given for Christians to join Jews for prayer on the Temple Mount in response to Charlie Kirks Assassination.

How does that work when Judaism rejects Jesus as Messiah and is essentially therefore, antichrist.

Please don't misunderstand me - I have a deep love for Jews but have deep concerns for supporting their official religion in it's present form.

Are believers being primed to support the building of the third temple?

The temple institute seems to be planning a temple that would invite fellowship from any religion.

Should we be supporting this initiative ???

Yehudah Glick: 'Jews and Christians will pray for Charlie on the Temple Mount'

Former MK Yehudah Glick, himself the survivor of an assassination attempt, will lead a prayer gathering of Jews and Christians at 'the house of prayer for all nations.'

www.israelnationalnews.com

I guess with the passing of someone of Charlie’s prestige respected amongst many faiths. It be merely a gathering to respect his passing. As to a future temple. Well considering Christ is now the temple and the church is within that temple Any other temple resorting back to the sacrifice of animals for remission of sins with a future temple would be an abomination unto God.. The God gave us his thoughts on the temple in 70AD. It was obliterated. Christ was the final sacrifice. No need for anymore blood sacrificial systems

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Sadly I think that is the way things are headed.

If this eventuates I will be very doubtful about Donald's claim to faith.

I really find it hard to understand how any serious believer can justify supporting Judaism in it's present form.

Post-NT Judaism contains a lot of extra-Biblical tradition that would remind a Protestant of Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy, yet Christians have so much in common with Judaism still. This issue would be good to reflect upon by the +/- 30k Yeshua believing Jews living in Israel - a historical record. But very few if any attend this forum.

 

[bèlla]

Sadly I think that is the way things are headed.

If this eventuates I will be very doubtful about Donald's claim to faith.

I really find it hard to understand how any serious believer can justify supporting Judaism in it's present form.

Every christian will have to determine where they stand on many issues and their level of tolerance on subjects that contradict their faith or morality within the church. There’s a level of blindness, deception and lack of discernment that I find troubling. But others may believe differently.

It’s difficult to steer a ship when you don’t have wisdom or good leadership. And it’s equally hard when the crew‘s guidelines are rooted in emotion instead of standards. Every foundation has a framework and protocols are an outgrowth of its construction. They‘re grounded in principles that support the vision with guidelines for its furtherance. You don’t make it up as you go or put emotion in the driver’s seat.

There should be no confusion about the topics mentioned if you’re heeding the protocols.

Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect and utmost hatred; They have become my enemies.

~bella

ETA: Perhaps it would be good to let nature explain what humans forget.

Sheep and goats can coexist and many farmers put them together when space is limited. But they discover what wiser ones know that goats are less cooperative than the other and more likely to escape. And when they do the sheep follow suit but when left alone they accept their condition. But goats aren’t influenced by the sheep. They’re always true to their nature while the other compromises.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Not accepting Jesus is not the same as rejecting Jesus.

I don't hear Jews today rejecting Jesus, even though they don't accept
him as Lord and Savior. If we Christians practice what we preach
perhaps more Jews will come to "accept," Jesus as their Lord and
Savior.

 

[FireDragon76]

It's mostly an American and Israeli phenomenon owing to American Evangelical politics often being pro-Israeli, and there's rarely a coherent theological justification given. I'd imagine it's far from universal, even then. It seems more like a political move on the part of Israelis to express sympathy and solidarity for the death of a political figure like Charlie Kirk who was quite ruthless in his pro-Israeli messaging.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

It's mostly an American and Israeli phenomenon owing to American Evangelical politics often being pro-Israeli, and there's rarely a coherent theological justification given. I'd imagine it's far from universal, even then. It seems more like a political move on the part of Israelis to express sympathy and solidarity for the death of a political figure like Charlie Kirk who was quite ruthless in his pro-Israeli messaging.

In Europe in countries like Germany and The Netherlands, many churches are relatively pro-Israel (as a safe home country for Jews), and these do communicate the corresponding theology for that. Churches/denominations that have moved beyond traditional replacement theology typically arrive at that position.

 

[BeckyJ]

"Do we worship together with those who reject Jesus?"

No.
Christian Churches should protect the honor, dignity, and reputation of both Jesus Christ and the Church. The church represents Jesus Himself and that should be guarded. Paul asked, “What fellowship can light have with darkness?” (2 Cor 6:14; 6:15—7:1).
Unbelievers are welcome to attend Church services, but there is no spiritual unity among believers and unbelievers.

 

[com7fy8]

on the Temple Mount

I thought there is a mosque there.

Are believers being primed to support the building of the third temple?

And if we ask this, this could include removing the Muslim mosque!! Have fun!

In case God really means there will be a rebuilding, it will happen. And I would say it is not any of my business, as a Christian. I would not oppose it; however, I have enough to do and where my attention belongs. Just submit to how God directs my attention, and this takes care of things.

"No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)

So, do not get tangled about it. Jesus will make us clear about whatever He really wants >

"and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

The temple institute seems to be planning a temple that would invite fellowship from any religion.

I would say that would not be Jewish. And in the case of Christians and Muslims such who really hold to their beliefs would not yoke themselves with the Jews . . . not for activity in religious agreement, anyway.

However, cooperating in order to help with humanitarian activity could be ok, I would say. But I would not put Christianity on an equal footing with Islam or Judaism.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I thought there is a mosque there.

The temple mount is a very large area which includes a mosque.

 

[Kathleen30]

"Do we worship together with those who reject Jesus?"

No.
Christian Churches should protect the honor, dignity, and reputation of both Jesus Christ and the Church. The church represents Jesus Himself and that should be guarded. Paul asked, “What fellowship can light have with darkness?” (2 Cor 6:14; 6:15—7:1).
Unbelievers are welcome to attend Church services, but there is no spiritual unity among believers and unbelievers.

Maybe. But you must rememberGod even listens to the prayers of the unforgiven.

 

[BeckyJ]

Maybe. But you must rememberGod even listens to the prayers of the unforgiven.

Maybe, but only If an unbeliever asks a prayer of God that is according to His will.

"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9
"Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but He will not hear them: He will even hide His face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings." Micah 3:4.

 

[Kathleen30]

I thought there is a mosque there.

And if we ask this, this could include removing the Muslim mosque!! Have fun!

In case God really means there will be a rebuilding, it will happen. And I would say it is not any of my business, as a Christian. I would not oppose it; however, I have enough to do and where my attention belongs. Just submit to how God directs my attention, and this takes care of things.

"No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)

So, do not get tangled about it. Jesus will make us clear about whatever He really wants >

"and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

I would say that would not be Jewish. And in the case of Christians and Muslims such who really hold to their beliefs would not yoke themselves with the Jews . . . not for activity in religious agreement, anyway.

However, cooperating in order to help with humanitarian activity could be ok, I would say. But I would not put Christianity on an equal footing with Islam or Judaism.

Com7fy8 whilst it may be true that God wills as he pleases. But is it the will of God for his church to trample upon the blood of the lord who being the final sacrifice and then to return to a temple sacrificial system of the shedding with the blood of beasts once again . Christ said upon the cross it is finished. The book of Hebrews warns Christians of doing this and also warns Jews of that time, to cease from such practices and to seek out Jesus and to find forgiveness and justification in him. The answer was not long forthcoming some 40 yrs after Christ's death and resurrection when the temple was obliterated in 70 AD. The future temple is a counterfeit one. Yes we are not be entangled with the many matters concerning the many worldly things. But.we are also commanded to be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves with all things including deception.

 

[jacks]

How does that work when Judaism rejects Jesus as Messiah and is essentially therefore, antichrist.

Yes, let's just keep the hate going, it has been working so well for us so far...

 

[Kathleen30]

Maybe, but only If an unbeliever asks a prayer of God that is according to His will.

"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9
"Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but He will not hear them: He will even hide His face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings." Micah 3:4.

Becky whatever God wills comes to pass. Yes. And sometimes he listens other times he listens and rejects as is the example of your Micah 3:4 and proverbs 28: 9 . But you have other passages such as Nineveh where the people preyed to God to save their city from destruction. Jonah 3:5-10..doesn’t mean they were all believers. How many times in the history of Israel did the God spare Israel and stay his hand from judgement from the pleas of their prayers not all were believers. Actually none of us were once believers. We were all seperated from God. Yet God chose to hear our prayers ❤️ despite the wall of partition. He continues to do so and evaluate every believers and every unbelievers prayers alike to this very day

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, let's just keep the hate going, it has been working so well for us so far...

That is not happening in this quarter - I have worked there - my love for the Jews goes back about 60 years.