Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)

[rambot]

Drag queen shows for children are seen by the radical left as exposing children to the real world, whereas many people see that as sexually grooming the kids.

As someone who worked with "groomers", it's not grooming kids.

I've only seen one drag event at our library...it's not really my thing though I don't care about others doing it (in the same way I don't LARP or go to Ren faires)

What depravity did I see?
A man dressed garishly as a woman, reading a book about colours to some children.

I have always been very VERY curious. What are the PRECISE behaviours that are considered "grooming" in this context?

a) Just talking about it at all?
b) Normalizing it?
c) Encouraging it?
d) Are they raping or abusing kids at these events?
e) Are parents endangering their kids by going to these events? BEcause unfortunately, statistically libraries are way way way way way safer than churches.
So be careful...

 

[rambot]

Fundamentally, the only statements of fact that she made (at least as reported by Fox in the article you linked) are that he started caring more about gay and trans rights, that he expressed a strong dislike of Kirk, and that he fought with his father over political disagreements. Her claim that this made him "left-leaning" is her opinion.

I'm a bit late here...
While it probably can't be argued that he supported trans rights, is the discussion just trying to get a sense of exactly where his political leanings were laid out?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I'm a bit late here...
While it probably can't be argued that he supported trans rights, is the discussion just trying to get a sense of exactly where his political leanings were laid out?

Honestly, I'm not 100% sure of what @Vambram's point is, but it seems like he's trying to use that Fox article to "prove" that Robinson was a far-left liberal extremist because his mom said he shifted left - which she only categorized by him changing his views of gay/trans rights.

 

[Aldebaran]

They used to say that about black people, too. Can you guess the connection?

Sure! The political party that was opposed to the abolishment of slavery.

When white supremacists engage in mass shootings, it is based on "who they are" as white supremacists or the partner of such people. Only white supremacists do it a lot more often. Just saying.

Haven't been seeing those.

I'd be fine with that too. And I'd be fine with white supremacists being what they are, so long as they don't bother anyone else. So we seem to be on the same page in that respect. Those who do attack others should be punished just like any other criminal. Those who don't should just be left alone.

Yeah, it's annoying to see those guys riding round with confederate or Nazi flags, and so on. But they have the right.

You're comparing Nazis to transsexuals? Whatever.

 

[Aldebaran]

For the far right, I get it the real fear. These guys are reading books to innocent kids. And those far right guys know what happens to kids if they grow up with a habit of reading books. Their recruiting pool is people who don't read. That's the "grooming" they fear.

And what kind of material is in those books? The same type of propaganda that teaches the kids to grow up confused about their own body, and then become future mass shooters and assassins--only to blame their confusion and rage on others.

 

[Aldebaran]

Honestly, I'm not 100% sure of what @Vambram's point is, but it seems like he's trying to use that Fox article to "prove" that Robinson was a far-left liberal extremist because his mom said he shifted left - which she only categorized by him changing his views of gay/trans rights.

Well, he gravitated toward sexual relations with another guy, and one that thought he was a gal. Then he goes up on a rooftop with a rifle to kill a conservative speaker because Robinson thought, "Some hate can't be negotiated out".
Sounds rather "far-left liberal extremist" to me.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Well, he gravitated toward sexual relations with another guy, and one that thought he was a gal. Then he goes up on a rooftop with a rifle to kill a conservative speaker because Robinson thought, "Some hate can't be negotiated out".
Sounds rather "far-left liberal extremist" to me.

Sounds extremist, yeah. Not sure how that equates to liberal though.

 

[DaisyDay]

And Charlie Kirk supported conservatives regardless of their sexual preferences. But look at what that got him.

What evidence is there that Charlie Kirk supported conservatives regardless of their sexual preferences? I couldn't find any.

 

[Aldebaran]

Sounds extremist, yeah. Not sure how that equates to liberal though.

Certainly not conservative. How many conservatives do you know who live the LGBT lifestyle and gun down conservatives who speak out against mutilating the genitals of young children?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Certainly not conservative.

Did I say he was? I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that his politics aren't clearly left or right.

How many conservatives do you know who live the LGBT lifestyle and gun down conservatives who speak out against mutilating the genitals of young children?

Plenty of gay conservatives, and the two people who tried to assassinate Trump were both conservative, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I can't say I know any liberals who meet that very narrow definition either.

 

[Aldebaran]

Did I say he was? I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that his politics aren't clearly left or right.

Plenty of gay conservatives, and the two people who tried to assassinate Trump were both conservative, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I can't say I know any liberals who meet that very narrow definition either.

People are still trying to convince us that Robinson was also a conservative just because his family is. But people are individuals, and the life choices of this guy indicates that he is certainly not conservative.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

People are still trying to convince us that Robinson was also a conservative just because his family is.

Okay, then go argue with those people about it. I'm not one of them.

But people are individuals, and the life choices of this guy indicates that he is certainly not conservative.

I wouldn't say that either. He might not be as conservative as his parents, or hold different beliefs on certain issues, but being not-straight and hating the anti-trans rhetoric put out by a commentator who happens to be conservative does not mean that you can't be a conservative yourself.

I understand the urge to be able to put Robinson into a clearly-defined box so that you have a group that you can blame for this. But life is rarely that simple, and trying to force it (in either direction) doesn't help the conversation.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Certainly not conservative. How many conservatives do you know who live the LGBT lifestyle

Remember the Log Cabin Republicans?

 

[Aldebaran]

Remember the Log Cabin Republicans?

A rather fringe group. Checking their numbers, they don't represent much more than a tiny number of folks: Log Cabin Republicans Profile: Summary

 

[Larniavc]

Those are not opinions but valid criticisms.

Smh

They are opinions.

 

[RileyG]

All this left and right bickering and division we’re seeing in every Charlie Kirk thread is precisely the legacy he’s left behind.

Only time shall tell....

 

[RileyG]

Charlie Kirk's assassination was politically charged. Lot's of those millions publicity thanked and praised the assassin on social media. There's no escape from that for the left. No matter how much they try to gaslight and deflect.

Putting politics aside and pointing fingers at NO ONE, I'm tired of all the hate. It needs to stop.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

What evidence is there that Charlie Kirk supported conservatives regardless of their sexual preferences? I couldn't find any.

Ahem...there are links in the forums. I would show you, but I would be running a fools errand on your behalf.

Just kidding. Here you go.

 

[FireDragon76]

The state hasn't even presented a coherent narrative. We don't have the bullet, much less one matched to the gun. We don't have any clue how the gun got off the roof (the video supposedly showing the shooter on the roof doesn't seem to show him carrying a gun). Also, laser engraving of bullets by the suspect seems improbable (laser engraving of live rounds would be unsafe, and there's no evidence presented Tyler Robinson had access to reloading equipment). And we don't even have a clear motive for the alleged shooter (Robinson).

And within 45 minutes of Charlie Kirk being declared dead, we have Benjamin Netenyahu being the first to express his condolences. (desperate to shore up his withering relationship with the Alt Right?)

It doesn't add up to a coherent story that anybody that isn't gullible would be willing to believe. Which is why I think authorities are leaning so hard into politicizing the incident. Almost like it's a false flag operation.

 

[RileyG]

Bruce Jenner/ Caitlyn Jenner is a Transgender female. Republican I know a gay people that are Trump supporters. I'm not sure why they voted for a Man, that doesn't respect them.

Male who identifies as a transgendered woman.

Female refers to biological sex.

Jenner still has XY chromosomes, regardless of their identity.