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Well, we won`t have long to see which it is.
You guys will see.........but only after you are Raptured to heaven, Jesus will open the Seals in front of us and say SEE...........SEE.............SEE, what will soon come when that 7th Seal unlooses the Wrath of God. I already see it sister, by Faith I have asked fir wisdom and God has granted this, and affirmed his word via testing.
 
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Revv. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings(E.U.), which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast(They only have power over Israel/THE MANY for 1260 days thus the ONE HOUR = 1260 days also in Rev. 18:10).

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

The E.U. unlike Rome is thus not a Dictatorship, this is why its Iron AND Clay and a brittle kingdom, unlike the Iron description of Rome. The E.U. Parliament [FREELY] gives their powers unto this man, who becomes The Beast when he conquers Israel and THE MANY.
Hi Fisherking,

Go down a few verses....

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

That verse indicates that the beast-king will become the dictator of the EU.

We do agree about the EU though.

No, he's a Greek born man (Dan. 8:9), with Old Assyrian blood in his veins, who comes to power in the E.U.
I am not sure that he will be a Greek born man. But I do agree that from Greece, he will head south east toward Israel and the middle east with a strong army.

Personally, what I think will happen is that when Gog/Magog is about happen, he will position the EU army in Greece to act as a deterrent, but that the Gog/Magog attack happens anyway.

And right after Gog's army is destroyed, he will move his EU army into the middle east on the premise of acting as a peace keeper for the region. But the underlying reason for the ten EU leaders will be to take control of all the middle east oil.

The Jews of Israel will see the little horn person as their long awaited King of Israel messiah. So the person has to be a Jew. The first checkpoint to speculate on who the Antichrist is.
 
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You guys will see.........but only after you are Raptured to heaven, Jesus will open the Seals in front of us and say SEE...........SEE.............SEE, what will soon come when that 7th Seal unlooses the Wrath of God. I already see it sister, by Faith I have asked fir wisdom and God has granted this, and affirmed his word via testing.
Is it good that we can all post our opinion and views, agreeing/disagreeing on various issues - but doing so in a friendly, respectful way.
 
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Is it good that we can all post our opinion and views, agreeing/disagreeing on various issues - but doing so in a friendly, respectful way.
I just wonder how friendly and respectful Jesus will be toward those who preached and promoted false theories?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 tells us that those who built their beliefs on a foundation other than Bible teachings, will be saved, but have to pass thru fire.
The Fire of God's rebuke.

Regarding the OP. - Daniel 11:40-45, is undoubtedly for the time of the end and Armageddon.
 
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Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
AND? .........God did not say I made this man like Alexander the Great, God put it in the hearts of the American Congress to make George Washington President, God put in the American peoples hearts to elect Donald J. Trump in 2016, neither were dictators.

That verse indicates that the beast-king will become the dictator of the EU.

We do agree about the EU though.
It does no such thing, it says God will put it in their hearts, meaning God knows their hearts and understands their are of this evil world, and that they love evil instead of God, thus he manipulated their evil heart to bring His will to pass. But they still have Free Will, and they gave their power unto this man.

I am not sure that he will be a Greek born man. But I do agree that from Greece, he will head south east toward Israel and the middle east with a strong army.

Personally, what I think will happen is that when Gog/Magog is about happen, he will position the EU army in Greece to act as a deterrent, but that the Gog/Magog attack happens anyway.
Two totally different Wars at last 3.5 years apart.

The Jews of Israel will see the little horn person as their long awaited King of Israel messiah. So the person has to be a Jew. The first checkpoint to speculate on who the Antichrist is.
No, sir, John 5:43 means the Pharisees and leaders of their time would accept another who came in his own name. There is zero way a Jewish nation accepts a Gentile as their Messiah. You are just hung up on this idea brother, and it ca not ever happen.
 
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Is it good that we can all post our opinion and views, agreeing/disagreeing on various issues - but doing so in a friendly, respectful way.
I agree, that is of utmost importance, we must be cordial unto each other in all things. I care about people hearing God's truths, not about being correct.
 
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No, sir, John 5:43 means the Pharisees and leaders of their time would accept another who came in his own name. There is zero way a Jewish nation accepts a Gentile as their Messiah. You are just hung up on this idea brother, and it ca not ever happen.
The Jews are looking for their King of Israel messiah (someone in their view other than Jesus). Correct, that they would never accept a Gentile as their Messiah. So the person has to be a Jew.

There are Jews in all of the nations of the world. But we are looking for someone to be associated with the EU. I am keeping my eye on Zelenskyy. A Jew, high profile, a politician, with military experience.

From the Judaism 101.com site....

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
 
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The Jews are looking for their King of Israel messiah (someone in their view other than Jesus). Correct, that they would never accept a Gentile as their Messiah. So the person has to be a Jew.
They are looking fir a Jewish Messiah which they see as a Political leader, the operative word is Jewish, they are not looking for a Gentile Messiah, this AC will be a Gentile Leader. By the time the Little Horn starts Conquering at the 1260 Middle of the [70th] week, Israel will have already accepted Jesus as their Messiah, we are told this in Zech. 13:8-9 that 1/3 of Israel repents and 2/3 will perish/die. One verse later in Zech. 13:1 we see the DOTL arrives and Jerusalem is sacked. So, Israel repents BEFORE the AC ever conquers Jerusalem. They repent via the 1335 Two-witnesses showing up 75 days before the 1260 event (DOTL) and they flee Judea 45 days later at the 1290 AoD, which happens 30 days before the AC conquers Jerusalem. The AC is not a Jew, just as none of the other 6 Beasts were led by Jews.

There are Jews in all of the nations of the world. But we are looking for someone to be associated with the EU. I am keeping my eye on Zelenskyy. A Jew, high profile, a politician, with military experience.
He will not be a Jew sir, you have just grasped this notion out of thin air. He must be a Greek born man. WHY do you think God gave us every Greek King in Dan. 11? Why did he give us an Archetype in Antiochus Epiphanes? Who had a False Prophet (Jewish High Priest named Jason) Archetype under him? Because hes going to be a Greek man, and hes going to have a Jewish High Priest sidekick.

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
Its not relevant what Jews today think, AT ALL, because as I stated the 1/3 repents BEFORE the DOTL as Malachi 4:5-6 also says. The Two-witnesses lead them unto Christ Jesus. When the AoD happens the High Priest will FORBID Jesus Worship in the temple (He TAKES AWAY.....The real Sacrifice)
 
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They are looking fir a Jewish Messiah which they see as a Political leader, the operative word is Jewish, they are not looking for a Gentile Messiah, this AC will be a Gentile Leader.
"Anti" - a prefix for against and/or instead of.

Christ - the King of Israel Mark 15:32.

Jesus was a Jew. King of the Jews.


The Antichrist will be the King of the Jews instead of Jesus the rightful King of the Jews. He must be a Jew.
 
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Hi Marilyn,

I agree we won't have long to see. The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will be by a coalition of Muslim nations and Russia. The destruction of those armies by the God of Israel will discredit Islam's god Allah/and Muhammad, and basically end Islam.

The Assyrian of Micah 5:5 could be referring to the leader of the Muslim nations. I think also that maybe Damascus will be destroyed that day.
Hi Douggg,

Note from God`s word that those Muslim nations that go with the Russian Federation are - Persia, (Iran) Libya and Ethiopia. (Ez. 38: 5) Those 3 extra nations are ONLY SHIA part of Islam. And that is ONLY 10% while the Sunni part are 90%. So we see that Islam will still be outnumbering the EU - 350 million and 2 billion Islam.
 
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I just wonder how friendly and respectful Jesus will be toward those who preached and promoted false theories?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 tells us that those who built their beliefs on a foundation other than Bible teachings, will be saved, but have to pass thru fire.
The Fire of God's rebuke.
When you make it into heaven "pre trib." brother the first thing that is going to be said is, this one only got one thing right, he knew the blood washes away sin. So, when I look at the above quote, I think of 3 words.

Pot, Kettle & Black
 
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"Anti" - a prefix for against and/or instead of.
Anti means AGAINST.......the rest you guys found a way to contort the facts to a MAYBE, their is no maybe.

Christ - the King of Israel Mark 15:32.
AND? That never says nor insinuates Israel accepts a non Jewish Messiah as their king. They simply join the E.U. and thus anger God by giving away his land, THINK, was Israelis considered Roman Citizens when Jesus came? TAKE OUT THE CHURCH AGE!! Rome......Church Age......E.U. and you can see the continuation. So, they make an Agreement with the Anti-Christ who is simply an E.U. President. You have always, IMHO been someone who OVERTHINKS things on Eschatology. You can't give a verse elsewhere and the TIE a though process of your own to that event. We all now Jesus will be the King on David's throne. No where does it say Israel accepts a Nin Jew as their King. They di just the opposite, the 1/3 choose to follow Jesus and thus have to Flee Judea JUST BEFORE (KEY) the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem/Israel/Mediterranean Sea Region in full. The 2/3 will die............why would they die? Satan can not cast out Satan, if they served the Beast why would he kill the 2/3? So, the facts you assume are just you not thinking these things through, they put fort an AGREEMENT ONLY, and that is Israel joining the E.U. and thus giving up their Nukes, you never take that part into consideration at all do you? How can a nation with Nukes get conquered? By not having Nukes. Well how does that happen? By becoming a Member State. The E.U. helps out Israel vs. Gog & Magog and thus they fall in to Satan's trap, they even wrongly will believe the E.U. destroyed the 5/6 Armies on the Mt. of God. So, they will freely give up their Nukes to join the E.U. this kicks everything off. The Pre Trib. Rapture happens AND the 70th week starts when Israel joins the E.U.

Jesus was a Jew. King of the Jews.
AGAIN............SO !! We all know that. And al the Beast were Gentiles right? It dies not fit, nor equate.

The Antichrist will be the King of the Jews instead of Jesus the rightful King of the Jews. He must be a Jew.
No, that is just your [bad] interpretation brother. One I have proven to be in error now for nigh 10 years.

God Bless Douggggg
 
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Tranquil, what do you think is the abomination of desolation setup in Daniel 12:11, and where will it be setup ? And when will it be setup in the seven years? (your chart does not have the 7 years beginning and ending on it - start again and make charts that have the 7 years beginning and ending on it)

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

This is my chart of when the abomination of desolation will be setup in the 7 years - on day 1185.
The Abomination is described in Dan 11:38 And in their place, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know—with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.

The Assyrian is the 'despicable person' in Dan 11:21. The Assyrian is not the same person as the king of Tyre.

The ruler of Tyre is the one who calls himself a god (Ezek 28) and is also called an angel (Ezek 28:14). Tyre was an island fortress. The 'gold, silver, precious stones' are a reference to Ezek 28:4-5 and Ezek 28:13-14.

The 'Jezebel' character of Rev 2:20 that exists in the end times is the daughter of this ruler of Tyre. Biblically, she is the daughter of Ethbaal who is the king of the city Tyre.


One of the abominations (the 1st or 2nd, or both) will be worshiping Tyre.

It will be set up in a holy place: somewhere in Jerusalem, Rome, the West Wing of the White House? I don't know where the 1st abomination will be located.

I don't know how to be clearer:

the 1st abomination occurs 30 days before the Dan 9:27 covenant is confirmed, the '7 years' as you call it.

The great tribulation begins even before the covenant is made!!

The 2nd abomination occurs 1290 days later, at the 7th Trumpet, which is also the 'middle of the Dan 9:27 covenant', the middle of the 7 years as you call it.

The 1st abomination is the thing or person that is destroying the 'city and sanctuary' in Daniel 9:26. Then the covenant is made. This covenant has the appearance of putting a stop to the great tribulation!

The king of Tyre is the Dan 7 Little horn. The Assyrian is the Dan 8 Little Horn.

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Hi Marilyn,

I agree we won't have long to see. The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will be by a coalition of Muslim nations and Russia. The destruction of those armies by the God of Israel will discredit Islam's god Allah/and Muhammad, and basically end Islam.

The Assyrian of Micah 5:5 could be referring to the leader of the Muslim nations. I think also that maybe Damascus will be destroyed that day.
Damascus, Syria will be destroyed at the 7th Trumpet, which will be the 'middle of the 7 years' as you put it.

Why? Because Rev 12's 'sign of the son of man in heaven' is a reference to Isaiah 7 & 8's 'sign of Immanuel'. This sign indicates the speedy destruction of Damascus and Ephraim (led by new Ahab, the husband of new Jezebel, who is the daughter of new Tyre) (Isa 7:4-22). It is the Assyrian who attacks Ephraim (led by new Ahab) to the benefit of Judah.

When the Assyrian kills new Ahab (destroying the breakaway civil war northern 10 tribed 'Israel') then the inhabitants of the breakaway civil war nation (the losers of the civil war) come back to join Judah to form (12 tribed) Israel. This is what is being described in Hosea 1

4And the Lord said to him, “Call his name Jezreel, for in just a little while I will punish the house of Jehu for the blood of Jezreel, and I will put an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel. 5And on that day I will break the bow of Israel in the Valley of Jezreel.”​
6She conceived again and bore a daughter. And the Lord said to him, “Call her name No Mercy,a for I will no more have mercy on the house of Israel, to forgive them at all. 7But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and I will save them by the Lord their God. I will not save them by bow or by sword or by war or by horses or by horsemen.”​
8When she had weaned No Mercy, she conceived and bore a son. 9And the Lord said, “Call his name Not My People,b for you are not my people, and I am not your God.”c
10d Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered. And in the place where it was said to them, “You are not my people,” it shall be said to them, “Childrene of the living God.” 11 And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together, and they shall appoint for themselves one head. And they shall go up from the land, for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
When new Ahab, the leader of the civil war 'Israel' breakaway kingdom is killed by the Assyrian, then Jezebel remains to be dealt with - and that is who is the woman in Rev 17.
 
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They are looking fir a Jewish Messiah which they see as a Political leader, the operative word is Jewish, they are not looking for a Gentile Messiah, this AC will be a Gentile Leader.
I agree FK that the A/C will be a Gentile, the last Gentile Ruler of the Times of the Gentiles.
 
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The Abomination is described in Dan 11:38 And in their place, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know—with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.
The abomination of desolation will be "set up". Therefore, it has to be some sort of statue, i.e. an idol.

The king of Tyre is the Dan 7 Little horn. The Assyrian is the Dan 8 Little Horn.
In Ezekiel 28:12-19, the king of Tyrus (Tyre) is a code name for Satan. Just read through the text.

It will be set up in a holy place: somewhere in Jerusalem, Rome, the West Wing of the White House? I don't know where the 1st abomination will be located.
The abomination of desolation set up in Daniel 12:11 will be on the temple mount - the holy place that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15.

tranquil, your timeline chart as is - is not understandable by anyone. You don't have a clear beginning on the timeline chart, nor a clear ending.

What is the title to your chart ? What are you trying to show ?
 
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AND? That never says nor insinuates Israel accepts a non Jewish Messiah as their king.
Mark 15:32 - "Christ the King of Israel".

Of course that does not insinuate that Israel will accept a non-Jew Messiah as their King of Israel. The person will be a Jew.

The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 are determined upon Daniel's people - the Jews - and Jerusalem, Daniel 9:24.

Are you aware that the Jews (Judaism) believe that their messiah will be part of the rebuilding of the next temple ?
 
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I agree FK that the A/C will be a Gentile, the last Gentile Ruler of the Times of the Gentiles.
We agree. but you get a smidge off tracked on the Times of the Gentiles. I know why people misapply this phrase. In varied places we see times of the Gentiles and fullness of the Gentiles and we assoc. that with the Gentile trampling Jerusalem under foot in Rev. 11, but they can't be the same. Its only 42 months in Rev. 11, so elsewhere this can't be what Paul meant by the Fullness of the Gentiles. And I don't think Jesus means Gentile rule over the whole world else that would be too obvious, of course the Gentiles have been ruling the whole world juxtaposed against Israel. So what does that phrase really mean?

Reading Romans chapters 9-11 we can pick up a theme via what Paul meant. He talks over and over in chapter 9 how God is the potter, we are the clay vessel, God hardened Pharaoh's heart to do His will, God chose Jacob over Esau before either was born et al. So, the gist is Paul is Roman's "hey don't get the big head because you have God and are used by God and Israel has been rejected, because they were only rejected because of a lack of Faith, and so will you be rejected if you do not remain in that Faith".

So, Paul is basically told them they now have "THE MANTLE" to take the Gospel unto the whole world because God/Jesus has choose them for SERVICE just like He chose Jacob over Esau, choose Moses, hardened Pharoah's heart. Thus Paul says in Rom. 11 that God is not finished with Israel and that one day they would come back to Faith an be GRAFTED BACK IN........but when? Well he tells us.


Rom. 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery (Rapture of the Church), lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part(Israel as a Nation was BLINDED not individual Jews) is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles [SERVICE unto God] be come in.

Israel can not be saved as a Nation, in full, until the Rapture takes away the Gentile Church. We have SYMMETRY, we have the 70 Weeks an when Jesus died after 69 Weeks. God forsook Israel, he rent of left the Temple on tat very day. In 70 AD this desertion climaxed with the Diaspora. The Church Age lasted from 33 AD until now, and only when Israel signs the Agreement of Dan. 9:27 which I say is them joining the E.U. will everything kick off. The Gentiles calling or SERVICE unto God ends, and Angel takes over the preaching of the Gospel unto the world in Rev. 14:6, our service has ended because we are now in heaven awaiting to be the Bride of Christ. Only then will God call Israel as a Nation to repent just before the DOTL.

The Gentiles stopped ruling Israel in 1948, they will trample them under foot for 42 months soon. But that is not the Time of the Gentiles in which Paul and Jesus is referring unto.
 
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