Former Pink Floyd member Roger Waters faces possible prosecution after supporting banned Palestine Action

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It's factual. Here is the original video of Goodbye Blue Sky from The Wall. It's a scathing indictment of violence resulting from Christianity, as you'll see. In his recent tours, the symbolism was expanded to include other religions and monetary symbols. I'm sure you can find it on Youtube.

if you want to defend a known anti-semite...knock yourself out!

 

[MyOwnSockPuppet]

There are 85 Sharia courts in the UK, even in areas of London. A poll has found that almost 40% of British Muslims think it would be desirable to implement Sharia Law within the next two decades. 50% of UK Muslims think homosexuality should be outlawed in the UK....

And what powers do they have? Other than determining which restaurants/fast food places are Halal, and acting as voluntary courts of arbitration? How different is it from the London Beth Din?

 

[NxNW]

if you want to defend a known anti-semite...knock yourself out!

In other words, you can't refute the factual evidence I posted.

 

[Larniavc]

There are 85 Sharia courts in the UK, even in areas of London. A poll has found that almost 40% of British Muslims think it would be desirable to implement Sharia Law within the next two decades. 50% of UK Muslims think homosexuality should be outlawed in the UK....

What legal power do Sharia courts have. Actually binding legal power?

I’ll save you the time and tell you: none. They are for religious people who want to follow their religious rules.

The same as Muslim sharia councils, Jewish beth din, and Roman Catholic ecclesiastical authorities have no standing outside of the Arbitration Act 2025.

So if you’re not of the specific faith they have zero influence in your life.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What legal power do Sharia courts have. Actually binding legal power?

I’ll save you the time and tell you: none.

One doesn't need to have "officially recognized" power in order to still have power and present a threat.

Those "secret Chinese police stations" don't have any officially recognized power either, but we all still see those a major concern.


Sharia Law courts (like the Chinese police stations) employ "coercion through intimidation". And many times, that coercion isn't in the direction of anything noble or good...and that coercion is in the theme of "if you don't go along with that we say, here's the address of your family members back in the old country, it'd be a real shame if something happened to them"

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And what powers do they have? Other than determining which restaurants/fast food places are Halal, and acting as voluntary courts of arbitration? How different is it from the London Beth Din?

You compare the 2 lol? Just wait...you will see

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

In other words, you can't refute the factual evidence I posted.

I dont need to...in other words, if you want to defend a known anti-semite...knock yourself out!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What legal power do Sharia courts have. Actually binding legal power?

I’ll save you the time and tell you: none. They are for religious people who want to follow their religious rules.

The same as Muslim sharia councils, Jewish beth din, and Roman Catholic ecclesiastical authorities have no standing outside of the Arbitration Act 2025.

So if you’re not of the specific faith they have zero influence in your life.

You obviously do not understand Islam

 

[Servus]

It's factual. Here is the original video of Goodbye Blue Sky from The Wall. It's a scathing indictment of violence resulting from Christianity, as you'll see. In his recent tours, the symbolism was expanded to include other religions and monetary symbols. You can see it here, starting a minute into the video.

Any other facts you want to argue with?

It's based on Waters childhood recollection of WWII. That's why it starts with a small child saying "Look, Mummy. There's an aeroplane up in the sky". Story wise, Pink is essentially saying goodbye to the “blue sky” of his childhood innocence and the protection of his mother, eager to spread his wings and fly – something Mother never let him do.

But, come to think of it, he probably changed that. Just like he changed "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" to be about Donald Trump.

 

[Larniavc]

You obviously do not understand Islam

You seem to not understand what legal means in the context of the legal power of a court.

 

[FireDragon76]

One doesn't need to have "officially recognized" power in order to still have power and present a threat.

Those "secret Chinese police stations" don't have any officially recognized power either, but we all still see those a major concern.


Sharia Law courts (like the Chinese police stations) employ "coercion through intimidation". And many times, that coercion isn't in the direction of anything noble or good...and that coercion is in the theme of "if you don't go along with that we say, here's the address of your family members back in the old country, it'd be a real shame if something happened to them"

Baseless innuendo.

 

[Larniavc]

Sharia Law courts (like the Chinese police stations) employ "coercion through intimidation". And many times, that coercion isn't in the direction of anything noble or good...and that coercion is in the theme of "if you don't go along with that we say, here's the address of your family members back in the old country, it'd be a real shame if something happened to them"

I’m sure that just like in any religion there are folks who fall prey to intimidation but the issue here is these religious courts (nearly exclusively the Abrahamic religions I might add) do not have any legal standing and are overruled if they act contrary to the UK legal system.

This fantasy some people have where Mr John English of number 72 Native Street, Whiteshire gets tried and convicted in a Sharia court is beyond infantile.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I’m sure that just like in any religion there are folks who fall prey to intimidation but the issue here is these religious courts (nearly exclusively the Abrahamic religions I might add) do not have any legal standing and are overruled if they act contrary to the UK legal system.

This fantasy some people have where Mr John English of number 72 Native Street, Whiteshire gets tried and convicted in a Sharia court is beyond infantile.

While the scenario you describe of someone thinking their case is going to get assigned to a Sharia court instead of a regular one would be ridiculous (and, I don't doubt that some have been misled into believing that)

The concerns I've heard when talking to people about it are more along of the lines of:
A Muslim knows a person of their community is responsible for crime XYZ against Mr. John English, but is encouraged to report the conduct to the Sharia Council and not talk about it in front of the actual authorities. For example: "I know my cousin was the one who broke into John's house, but I'll take that information to the council so they can decide what kind of religious punishment he should receive, and keep the lips zipped when police are asking "do you have any information about the break-in?"


Hasidic Jewish communities have their equivalent of Sharia, it's called beth din.

And the Hasidic principle of "Mesirah" (forbidding a Jews from turning one of ratting on one of their own to non-Jewish authorities)... Sharia councils have a similar principle.


And just in a more general sense, I think these sorts of "alternate arbitration panels" foster insularity over assimilation

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Baseless innuendo.

It's not baseless... Sharia Councils (especially in the UK) have been documented as having covered up domestic and sexual abuse cases, and pressuring women into keep their mouth shut about it through intimidation tactics.

Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women?

BBC Panorama has uncovered fresh evidence of how some Sharia councils in Britain may be putting Muslim women "at risk" by pressuring them to stay in abusive marriages.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Larniavc]

The concerns I've heard when talking to people about it are more along of the lines of:
A Muslim knows a person of their community is responsible for crime XYZ against Mr. John English, but is encouraged to report the conduct to the Sharia Council and not talk about it in front of the actual authorities. For example: "I know my cousin was the one who broke into John's house, but I'll take that information to the council so they can decide what kind of religious punishment he should receive, and keep the lips zipped when police are asking "do you have any information about the break-in?"

That’s not what happens though is it? Anymore than Barry British would go to the local vicar if he saw Assan Asian do a robbery.

 

[Larniavc]

It's not baseless... Sharia Councils (especially in the UK) have been documented as having covered up domestic and sexual abuse cases, and pressuring women into keep their mouth shut about it through intimidation tactics.

Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women?

BBC Panorama has uncovered fresh evidence of how some Sharia councils in Britain may be putting Muslim women "at risk" by pressuring them to stay in abusive marriages.

www.bbc.co.uk

That actually really common amongst religious communities in general. I would never let a cleric of ANY of the Abrahamic religion near my son.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That actually really common amongst religious communities in general. I would never let a cleric of ANY of the Abrahamic religion near my son.

Encouraging women not to report abuse and encouraging insularity and "not snitching" on members of your fellow religion to the secular authorities? I don't think that's equally common throughout the Abrahamic religions/sects.

"We just need to handle this matter internally, and not get the outsiders involved" definitely tends to be more pervasive in some group than others.

There's also some start contrasts in regards to general attitudes towards whether or not people want those tribunals to have officially recognized (parallel) legal powers. As you noted, that's currently not the case, but there's a significant percentage who want it to be the case.

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A survey carried out by J.L. Partners in 2024 reported that 39 percent supported the formation of a Muslim political party and 32 percent supported Islam to be declared the national religion with the same proportion desiring Sharia law to be implemented in the UK.


For the US:
(AI source disclaimer -- I asked it to build table based on Pew Research polling data)

Religion	Approximate % supporting formal recognition of religion’s law / values in U.S. law / governance
Christianity	~40% of general public personally view the US as a Christian nation; but only ~15% want an official religion declared, smaller % want the Bible to override popular will.
Islam	Some polls suggest ~50% of U.S. Muslims favor some form of Sharia in certain contexts (e.g. separate courts), but only ~32% favor full implementation.
Judaism	No strong evidence of significant support among Jews in U.S. for formal legal recognition of Halacha in civil/state law.

And within Christianity, there's going to be some pretty sharp differences between the various denominations. For example, I'd expect very different polling results between Pentecostals & Southern Baptists vs. Episcopalians & Unitarians.


And then there's always just the concerns based on observation.

In most cases, Westernized countries that are majority Christian manage to go hundreds and hundreds of years without any major restrictions on religious freedom (and trends in the direction of more freedom as time goes on). As where you see the opposite happen countries where Fundamentalist Islam holds sway... those societies "go from Bikinis to Burqas" in a matter of 10 years.

 

[Larniavc]

And within Christianity, there's going to be some pretty sharp differences between the various denominations.

Good job there are no denominations within non-Christian religions.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

(AI source disclaimer -- I asked it to build table based on Pew Research polling data)

Religion	Approximate % supporting formal recognition of religion’s law / values in U.S. law / governance
Christianity	~40% of general public personally view the US as a Christian nation; but only ~15% want an official religion declared, smaller % want the Bible to override popular will.
Islam	Some polls suggest ~50% of U.S. Muslims favor some form of Sharia in certain contexts (e.g. separate courts), but only ~32% favor full implementation.
Judaism	No strong evidence of significant support among Jews in U.S. for formal legal recognition of Halacha in civil/state law.

Yes, I read your disclaimer about using an AI source, but that table is about as clear as mud.

How does "...some form of Sharia in certain contexts..." relate to "...full implementation.". Is it full implementation of the form of Sharia they specified in the certain context?

The question that it answers for christians seems to be very different than the question it answers for muslims and jews. It seems that christians answered a question about official religion (whats the implications for the law?) and it is quite unclear how that relates to "...some form of Sharia in certain contexts..." or "...formal legal recognition of Halacha in civil/state law.".

For the interested reader, here are some other Pew Researchs about views on sharia laws across a number of countries Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia and heres the Appendix comparing US muslims to other countries Appendix A: U.S. Muslims — Views on Religion and Society in a Global Context Where the exact numbers in the table are from I don't know. Did you feed it the Pew Research polling data or did you ask it to also collate the data? If you fed it into the model yourself can you point me in the right direction so I can read it myself?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Good job there are no denominations within non-Christian religions.

There are far fewer in the other Abrahamic religions

• Judaism: ~5–10 major branches.
• Christianity: 6–8 major “families,” but hundreds denominations in practice.
• Islam: 3–5 major branches