Charlie Kirk's Opinions Didn't Deserve Him Being Murdered

[Pepperdoodle]

Charlie Kirk's Opinions Didn't Deserve Him Being Murdered. Would You or a Loved One Want to Be Murdered for Your Opinions Someone Disagreed With ‍♀️

Before Charlie Kirk was murdered I didn't follow him.
I still don't follow stuff connected to him, but just like most, since he was murdered more of his stuff is coming across the news feed, which is expected.
If it's a snippet, I try to find the whole video of what he's talking about for context. Before his death, I would see snippets of what he said in my feed sometimes, but they were usually out of context.
After his death, some have been sharing some of CK's points he'd make, but in context.
Sadly it seems some are going by the sound bites, snippets that have been out for awhile of him speaking with another. Which I think is unfair after hearing in context things he actually said. It's easy to twist out of context things to mean whatever we want.

Question: For those who didn't agree with Kirk on much, what is it that he said that rubs you wrong?
If you have a link to the full context of the things you disagreed with him on, as in a video/article, that would help for proof.

 

[PloverWing]

I'd rather stick with your headline: his opinions didn't deserve him being murdered.

I didn't follow his radio show or his YouTube stuff. News sources have told me that he was a conservative political activist, and I'm pretty liberal, so I assume there are things he and I disagreed about. There might be a future time when I go through his YouTube archive and catalogue some of those disagreements. But right now, a human being is dead who shouldn't be dead.

 

[Yarddog]

Charlie Kirk's Opinions Didn't Deserve Him Being Murdered. Would You or a Loved One Want to Be Murdered for Your Opinions Someone Disagreed With ‍♀️

Before Charlie Kirk was murdered I didn't follow him.
I still don't follow stuff connected to him, but just like most, since he was murdered more of his stuff is coming across the news feed, which is expected.
If it's a snippet, I try to find the whole video of what he's talking about for context. Before his death, I would see snippets of what he said in my feed sometimes, but they were usually out of context.
After his death, some have been sharing some of CK's points he'd make, but in context.
Sadly it seems some are going by the sound bites, snippets that have been out for awhile of him speaking with another. Which I think is unfair after hearing in context things he actually said. It's easy to twist out of context things to mean whatever we want.

Question: For those who didn't agree with Kirk on much, what is it that he said that rubs you wrong?
If you have a link to the full context of the things you disagreed with him on, as in a video/article, that would help for proof.

I didn't agree with him on some issues but admired his love for Christ. Also seeing him with his wife and kids. I respected his defense of the freedom of speech, which has been under attack by both right and left for years.

 

[FireDragon76]

Charlie Kirk's Opinions Didn't Deserve Him Being Murdered. Would You or a Loved One Want to Be Murdered for Your Opinions Someone Disagreed With ‍♀️

Before Charlie Kirk was murdered I didn't follow him.
I still don't follow stuff connected to him, but just like most, since he was murdered more of his stuff is coming across the news feed, which is expected.
If it's a snippet, I try to find the whole video of what he's talking about for context. Before his death, I would see snippets of what he said in my feed sometimes, but they were usually out of context.
After his death, some have been sharing some of CK's points he'd make, but in context.
Sadly it seems some are going by the sound bites, snippets that have been out for awhile of him speaking with another. Which I think is unfair after hearing in context things he actually said. It's easy to twist out of context things to mean whatever we want.

Question: For those who didn't agree with Kirk on much, what is it that he said that rubs you wrong?
If you have a link to the full context of the things you disagreed with him on, as in a video/article, that would help for proof.

Besides all the racist, xenophobic, and transphobic stuff? He produced fodder for clickbait and outrage, not serious engagement that elevates through respecting nuance and complexity. He presented simple but morally or existentially incoherent responses as "winning".

 

[rusmeister]

Besides all the racist, xenophobic, and transphobic stuff? He produced fodder for clickbait and outrage, not serious engagement that elevates through respecting nuance and complexity. He presented simple but morally or existentially incoherent responses as "winning".

You know, I pretty much never go outside my own congregational forum. But tell me you never truly listened to the man without telling me you never truly listened to him. It’s easy to get fast opinions formulated for you from the mass media with carefully edited clips. It is another thing to dedicate time to truly listening and responding thoughtfully in a Christian manner.

 

[High Fidelity]

You know, I pretty much never go outside my own congregational forum. But tell me you never truly listened to the man without telling me you never truly listened to him. It’s easy to get fast opinions formulated for you from the mass media with carefully edited clips. It is another thing to dedicate time to truly listening and responding thoughtfully in a Christian manner.

Exactly this.

Will it be possible to dig something questionable up on someone whose life existed under a spotlight for half their life in an emotive arena such as politics? Of course, and the same can be said for everyone one of us here, but really, questioning men in women's sports or bathrooms doesn't make someone transphobic any more than suggesting you hope your surgeon is there based on merit, not DEI makes you racist.

 

[FireDragon76]

You know, I pretty much never go outside my own congregational forum. But tell me you never truly listened to the man without telling me you never truly listened to him. It’s easy to get fast opinions formulated for you from the mass media with carefully edited clips. It is another thing to dedicate time to truly listening and responding thoughtfully in a Christian manner.

I've known about Charlie Kirk longer than many people here defending him have, and listened to more of his sophistry than I should have.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

Besides all the racist, xenophobic, and transphobic stuff? He produced fodder for clickbait and outrage, not serious engagement that elevates through respecting nuance and complexity. He presented simple but morally or existentially incoherent responses as "winning".

Let's see if you're different than most Left leaners online...
Show in context a video/article that prove your "racist, xenophobic, and transphobic stuff" claims.
Not one from the Left leaning have been able to show us in context any of those.

 

[FireDragon76]

Let's see if you're different than most Left leaners online...
Show in context a video/article that prove your "racist, xenophobic, and transphobic stuff" claims.
Not one from the Left leaning have been able to show us in context any of those.

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Charlie Kirk's words stand on their own.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Charlie Kirk's words stand on their own.

The same answer other Left leaners give.
We know you all have nothing but assumptions and sound bites.
Thanks for proving further that fact!!

To this..."racist, xenophobic, and transphobic"
Racism is wrong and yes, I know democrats who are racist whether you all own it or not.
ALL are welcome here if they come the legal route. I have friends who came the legal route and they don't agree with the Millions Joey let in.
There is no such thing as "trans". It's fantasy. It's an affront toward God in who He chose each of us to be born and will die. If you don't like that, you're beef is really with God.

 

[rusmeister]

I've known about Charlie Kirk longer than many people here defending him have, and listened to more of his sophistry than I should have.

The thing is, you’re going to come up with opinions that you don’t like - which doesn’t make them sophistry, but only opinions that you don’t like. these are mainly going to be things like his former stance on Israel, perhaps, which was undergoing change in recent months anyway, and maybe the idea that we should bring back public executions, or something political.

Any “phobia“ charge can be immediately challenged, since leftists confuse reasonable objections to the insertion of alien and hostile religions, or of immigrants that do not wish to assimilate with our society, or of the promotion of sexual anarchy, with irrational fear, not based on anything, which is what “phobia“ means. any clips you bring can almost certainly be shown to be either edited to avoid showing the context of what he said, or of an opinion you don’t like that can be debated in the political arena. but they’re not going to add up to is a genuinely racist attitude, or hatred of all immigrants, or of people who have fallen into sexual perversion. You are simply going to be unable to actually prove the charges as you claim them. It’s going to be shown that he had rational objections, not irrational fear, which puts an end to your “phobia“ charges. That’s why you should withdraw them, because you don’t have a leg to stand on. WE all, for example, rationally object to sexual perversion, under whatever name, because both God and the natural law He created tell us to flee them. Furthermore, it is sexual health that our civilization stands on. To the extent to which we reject God’s order, it has become diseased and is rotting. That’s not unreasoning fear. It is a legitimate concern for Western civilization.

In all cases, none of these differences justify his murder, which is a far more horrific thing than anyone losing their job for a plotting that murder. If you think differently, then you’re on the wrong forum. That’s not a political opinion, but about the Christian attitude towards murder.

 

[Vambram]

The thing is, you’re going to come up with opinions that you don’t like - which doesn’t make them sophistry, but only opinions that you don’t like. these are mainly going to be things like his former stance on Israel, perhaps, which was undergoing change in recent months anyway, and maybe the idea that we should bring back public executions, or something political.

Any “phobia“ charge can be immediately challenged, since leftists confuse reasonable objections to the insertion of alien and hostile religions, or of immigrants that do not wish to assimilate with our society, or of the promotion of sexual anarchy, with irrational fear, not based on anything, which is what “phobia“ means. any clips you bring can almost certainly be shown to be either edited to avoid showing the context of what he said, or of an opinion you don’t like that can be debated in the political arena. but they’re not going to add up to is a genuinely racist attitude, or hatred of all immigrants, or of people who have fallen into sexual perversion. You are simply going to be unable to actually prove the charges as you claim them. It’s going to be shown that he had rational objections, not irrational fear, which puts an end to your “phobia“ charges. That’s why you should withdraw them, because you don’t have a leg to stand on. WE all, for example, rationally object to sexual perversion, under whatever name, because both God and the natural law He created tell us to flee them. Furthermore, it is sexual health that our civilization stands on. To the extent to which we reject God’s order, it has become diseased and is rotting. That’s not unreasoning fear. It is a legitimate concern for Western civilization.

In all cases, none of these differences justify his murder, which is a far more horrific thing than anyone losing their job for a plotting that murder. If you think differently, then you’re on the wrong forum. That’s not a political opinion, but about the Christian attitude towards murder.

Amen

 

[rusmeister]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Charlie Kirk's words stand on their own.

indeed they do. You are the one who cannot prove evil from them. You need limited sound bites without context in order to even pretend that there is any evil there.

 

[Michie]

Let's see if you're different than most Left leaners online...
Show in context a video/article that prove your "racist, xenophobic, and transphobic stuff" claims.
Not one from the Left leaning have been able to show us in context any of those.

They cherry pick and take a lot of what he said out of context.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

They cherry pick and take a lot of what he said out of context.

I'm finding that out!!
But his stuff is in news feeds more now.
I didn't follow the guy, but what I've seen from them is out of context, cherry picking.
They can't go by the in context versions, it seems it proves them wrong, yet again!

 

[Michie]

I'm finding that out!!
But his stuff is in news feeds more now.
I didn't follow the guy, but what I've seen from them is out of context, cherry picking.
They can't go by the in context versions, it seems it proves them wrong, yet again!

I watched a documentary showing these things he supposedly said in context complete with videos of the conversation. It’s outright deception how people are quoting the things he said out of context. But there is no shame in partisan politics.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

I watched a documentary showing these things he supposedly said in context complete with videos of the conversation. It’s outright deception how people are quoting the things he said out of context. But there is no shame in partisan politics.

Can you share the link to the documentary either in this post or a post of yor own?
Maybe some of them will be open minded enough to watch it.

 

[Michie]

It was on television a few days ago. It was on FOX so many will not watch it I’m sure. They’d rather believe the ugliness from sources such as The View and MSNBC , etc. I saw what Charlie Kirk and his wife was about yesterday at the memorial. The rhetoric does not match their character.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

It was on television a few days ago. It was on FOX so many will not watch it I’m sure. They’d rather believe the ugliness from sources such as The View and MSNBC , etc. I saw what Charlie Kirk and his wife was about yesterday at the memorial. The rhetoric does not match their character.

I don't watch Fox, but I'll see if I can find it somewhere.
They love to believe lies.
They are sheeple.
Oh The (biased) View is a horrible show!! I watched it in it's beginning years and it was tolerable. That will be one show if cancelled unexpectedly I'll celebrate about!!
The Left don't have much going on other than rhetoric usually

 

[Michie]

I don't watch Fox, but I'll see if I can find it somewhere.
They love to believe lies.
They are sheeple.
Oh The (biased) View is a horrible show!! I watched it in it's beginning years and it was tolerable. That will be one show if cancelled unexpectedly I'll celebrate about!!
The Left don't have much going on other than rhetoric usually

I rarely watch it but I did appreciate the documentary.