Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

[durangodawood]

What do you believe would be justice for someone who premeditatedly assassinates an unarmed person who is simply answering questions on a college campus?

I could see the death penalty being justice for this kind of crime, given perfect knowledge.

But I dont think the state is capable of administering this properly in general. So the correct actual penalty should be something like life in prison.

 

[Clare73]

I could see the death penalty being justice for this kind of crime, given perfect knowledge.

But I dont think the state is capable of administering this properly in general. So the correct actual penalty should be something like life in prison.

What does "properly" look like?

 

[durangodawood]

What does "properly" look like?

Mainly, the state only performing homicide on actually guilty people.

 

[Clare73]

Mainly, the state only performing homicide on actually guilty people.

I'm thinking I'm not so sure I might not prefer that to a lifetime in prison.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm thinking I'm not so sure I might not prefer that to a lifetime in prison.

I can understand that.

However, if you are not actually guilty, you may be glad for the at least the hope of reversing your fate. This has happened before.

 

[rambot]

They're saying they're going to charge him federally. Plus Utah can impose the death penalty for "The murder being "especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved."

Really?

It seems like a particulary boring murder. Shot.

I'm thinking that description fits more like, kidnapped, strung up, whipped, cut open, removal of organs, removing limbs.... that kinda thing.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don't see how this, one quick clean shot, would qualify as that.

While I'm not intimately familiar with Utah's state statutes on the matter.

The aspects of whether or not it was terroristic in nature, and whether or not it was premeditated are two factors used to differentiate between the different types of charges.

I think the latter is pretty clear cut based on the messages they've reviewed (there's talk of planning in advance with leaving a rifle hidden in the bushes ahead of time, and bringing a change of clothes, and from what I'm reading, trying to get someone else to go retrieve the rifle from the woods afterwards)

As far as the former, that'll depend on what other things prosecutors and authorities find in the messages/notes in addition to what's already known.

 

[BeckyJ]

"Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad"

Well, that's basically what he did with Kirk, so I'm fine with it. It will give him a taste of his own medicine.
You do the crime, you reap the consequences. I won't lose any sleep over Tyler's death.
You can't kill someone just because you don't like their opinions which is what Tyler did.
I'm pretty sure I'd disagree with most of Tyler's opinions, but I wouldn't kill the guy over them.
These people have to be shown that this sort of thing isn't tolerated by society as a whole!!

 

[DaisyDay]

So all planned assassinations with one quick, clean shot do not qualify for a charge of first degree murder with the capital punishment option on the table?

Not according to Utah State law. If you don't like it, take it up with them.

Which US assassin was executed in the last century? We've had more than a couple back in the sixties. Even Charlie Manson died of old age.

 

[DaisyDay]

While I'm not intimately familiar with Utah's state statutes on the matter.

The aspects of whether or not it was terroristic in nature, and whether or not it was premeditated are two factors used to differentiate between the different types of charges.

I think the latter is pretty clear cut based on the messages they've reviewed (there's talk of planning in advance with leaving a rifle hidden in the bushes ahead of time, and bringing a change of clothes, and from what I'm reading, trying to get someone else to go retrieve the rifle from the woods afterwards)

As far as the former, that'll depend on what other things prosecutors and authorities find in the messages/notes in addition to what's already known.

Maybe, but I didn't seen premeditated as being an aggravating factor. I don't see that this murder was terroristic either - seemed more like a personal grudge.

 

[rebornfree]

What do you believe would be justice for someone who premeditatedly assassinates an unarmed person who is simply answering questions on a college campus?

Imprisonment. I don't support the death penalty, but for an older person who had been violent for many years, it might be more suitable. For a young man who has heard rhetoric like "hang Mike Pence", during the Capitol riots, and Trump pardoning some of the rioters and other political hate which has been around, during his formative years, I would plead for clemency. I think society is partly to blame for crimes. We have created environments which some people can't cope with.

 

[Hentenza]

Not according to Utah State law. If you don't like it, take it up with them.

I’m not opposed to the death penalty so I don’t have take it with them. The question was for you because your answer that I responded to was quite peculiar.

Which US assassin was executed in the last century? We've had more than a couple back in the sixties. Even Charlie Manson died of old age.

There are thousands of murderers put death in the us in the last hundred years.

There you go. Many murderers in these lists including mass murderers like Manson.

Lists of people executed in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Chrystal-J]

That's not accurate as he shot people while committing other crimes, robbery; he killed multiple people and requested the death sentence.

Gary Mark Gilmore #1

Actually, he was given the death penalty and refused appeals. You can't choose your punishment.

 

[JSRG]

There are thousands of murderers put death in the us in the last hundred years.

There you go. Many murderers in these lists including mass murderers like Manson.

Lists of people executed in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

DaisyDay specifically asked "Which US assassin was executed in the last century?" A murderer is not inherently an assassin. An assassin is specifically someone who murders a particularly important person. Now, precisely who counts as an "important person" is of course debatable, but political leaders or celebrities normally qualify. Are any of the people in those list actual assassins or just "regular" murderers?

 

[DaisyDay]

I’m not opposed to the death penalty so I don’t have take it with them.

You misunderstood. My point was that if you don't like that a simple murder doesn't qualify for it - my understanding is that it does not - then don't blame me, take it up with them.

The question was for you because your answer that I responded to was quite peculiar.

Peculiar in what way?

There are thousands of murderers put death in the us in the last hundred years.

There you go. Many murderers in these lists including mass murderers like Manson.

Lists of people executed in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, I realize many people have been put to death in the last hundred years, but that is beside the point, which is that no assassins were. Mass murderers like Manson, not that there are many like him, may have been executed but he himself was not - which I find peculiar.

Actually, he was given the death penalty and refused appeals. You can't choose your punishment.

Nevertheless, he did request it. Some states give a choice as to method, but most don't.

 

[Hentenza]

DaisyDay specifically asked "Which US assassin was executed in the last century?" A murderer is not inherently an assassin. An assassin is specifically someone who murders a particularly important person.

Everyone that is murdered is a particular important person to those that were closed to them.

Now, precisely who counts as an "important person" is of course debatable, but political leaders or celebrities normally qualify. Are any of the people in those list actual assassins or just "regular" murderers?

All murderers killed important people as I stated above. There are no regular murderers only murderers.

 

[DaisyDay]

DaisyDay specifically asked "Which US assassin was executed in the last century?" A murderer is not inherently an assassin. An assassin is specifically someone who murders a particularly important person. Now, precisely who counts as an "important person" is of course debatable, but political leaders or celebrities normally qualify. Are any of the people in those list actual assassins or just "regular" murderers?

I would have thought they would have been punished more harshly, but the ones who weren't themselves murdered (Lee Harvey Oswald), either died in prison or are out.

 

[DaisyDay]

Everyone that is murdered is a particular important person to those that were closed to them.

All murderers killed important people as I stated above. There are no regular murderers only murderers.

But not all murderers are assassins.

 

[Hentenza]

You misunderstood. My point was that if you don't like that a simple murder doesn't qualify for it - my understanding is that it does not - then don't blame me, take it up with them.

There isn’t such a thing as a simple murder. Some might be more heinous than others but taking someone’s life in the commission of a crime is murder.

Peculiar in what way?

You stated that “I don't see how this, one quick clean shot, would qualify as that” in relation to this murder not bring specially heinous. I fail to see how a quick, clean shot makes the murder any less cruel. The logic does not follow.

Although I was not a fan of Charlie Kirk, the fact that this was a planned assassination, perpetrated in front of his family and several thousand college age kids, does indeed made it particularly heinous.

Yes, I realize many people have been put to death in the last hundred years, but that is beside the point, which is that no assassins were. Mass murderers like Manson, not that there are many like him, may have been executed but he himself was not - which I find peculiar.

Manson should have indeed being put to death. No argument there.

 

[Hentenza]

But not all murderers are assassins.

Semantics. The murderer of Kirk is a murderer the same as any other that took a life.