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White men...u ok?

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This thread is about the man's race not his political leanings.

Did you notice that in the op?
The problem is the premise of the OP makes no sense. Unless the idea is there aren't thousands of white leftists who hated Charlie Kirk to the core. Which of course is nonsense. To many of them even though they themselves are white, any white person who's not on their side is a no good deplorable racist fascist.
 
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"The left made us do it" has always been the excuse for many people on the right.
Tyler Robinson was repeating the rhetoric of the left against Charlie Kirk. I can undersand an already failing party desperately wanting to get out from under that. But it's not going to work. Especially after the way they've gone about it the past few days. They're just digging themselves into an even deeper hole. They should have all just offered condolences and then kept quiet. But no, they had to self-sabotage to the Nth degree instead.
 
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It's matter of certain people constantly calling other people racists. Racist facist, racists fascist, racist fascist ad infinitum. And not surprisingly someone whom they doubled down on calling a racist fascist, was murdered by someone calling him a racist fascist as in "Hey Fascist catch this!". It's simply a matter of putting two and two together.

And now those people who chant racist facist 24/7 and cheered over the death of one they doubled down on constantly calling a racists fascist, are coming up with one nonsense scenario after another to dodge blame and guilt. And they keep going on and on making themselves look worse and worse by the minute. Can't wait to see what self-sabotaging nonsense they come up with next, while the world they tried to create crumbles.

they don't kill you because you are a racist fascist....they call you a racist fascist so they can kill you...
 
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No one actually espousing racist statements or taking on fascist actions should be killed for that. No different than those people who lost their lives for merely fighting for equal civil rights. Regarding the OP, I am not sure who those white men are aiming to fight. They never defined them, but the next day there were a flurry of bomb threats to Historically Black Colleges. Was there a bit of racism in that action?
 
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No one actually espousing racist statements or taking on fascist actions should be killed for that. No different than those people who lost their lives for merely fighting for equal civil rights. Regarding the OP, I am not sure who those white men are aiming to fight. They never defined them, but the next day there were a flurry of bomb threats to Historically Black Colleges. Was there a bit of racism in that action?
I would not be the least bit surprised to find out they were made by leftists trying to frame the right. They'll probably all get traced and caught, just like Robinson.
 
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Someone decided to photoshop one of the pictures of Tyler to add a Trump logo on his shirt and change it red. It smacks of desperation, that someone would intentionally photoshop and deceive people to get them to believe a narrative. I guess if the media has been doing it for years, people will too. But that begs the question... If someone learned it from the media, and they are copying it, then are reprehensible and completely lacking in conscience? Yep. If you have to twist it to your benefit (i.e. cheat to win the debate), truth isn't on your side. The truth comes out anyway in the end.
 
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Which fascists are being killed?
What facists are being murdered. Only the alleged ones who are branded that way. Like Charlie who was never a Fascist and like Donald Trump who went within a whisker of getting his brains blown out under the continuing slur and propaganda of being a facist
 
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?? !!! ?
Can you use some further words to explain your, seemingly, absent logic?
You say. Can I use some further words to explain my seemingly, absent logic. No absent logic be my end. Maybe a brain infusion might be required your end, to help you understand logic
 
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What facists are being murdered. Only the alleged ones who are branded that way. Like Charlie who was never a Fascist and like Donald Trump who went within a whisker of getting his brains blown out under the continuing slur and propaganda of being a facist
Okay so no fascists are being murdered?
 
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It seems like there are a LOT of instances of racialized threats and calls to violence.


It was a white guy who shot him. Super white.
Why are they fighting back and against whom? They don't even know if they can be angry at a leftist about this yet.

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Here's one
“White men fight back” Protests erupt in Huntington Beach in wake of Charlie Kirk murder - BeachGrit

Other examples exist.

Are we to believe there isn't racism going on here?


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The link read (toward the end) like a bad film-noire script.
When “bad things happen”, people like to reassure themselves that their fears will be placated, if only [INSERT GRIEVANCES HERE] would [REMEDY SOUGHT].
Some white men are concerned that they’re about to be treated like they’ve been treating others for hundreds of years.

As if that’s something to be frightened about.
 
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I would not be the least bit surprised to find out they were made by leftists trying to frame the right. They'll probably all get traced and caught, just like Robinson.
It may behoove your to move away from the “it’s got to be ’the left’s fault’ somehow!” mindset.
 
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It may behoove your to move away from the “it’s got to be ’the left’s fault’ somehow!” mimindset.
No problem since that's not what I said. Since the right is being blamed, it's only fair to offer an alternative possible scenario. Put another way, as childish as it sounds, if they get to blame the right, I get to blame the left (although I'm really just supposing).
 
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Okay so no fascists are being murdered?
No there has been plenty of genuine facists that have been murdered or incarcerated since post war. Some correctly judged for crimes committed. But with others being unjustly incarcerated for merely expressing their political beliefs. But seems in todays society everyone is branded a Nazi when their political views disagree with another
 
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But seems in todays society everyone is branded a Nazi when their political views disagree with another
Only those on the far right though.
 
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A better question would involve the reasons for its occurrence. It’s beyond politics and speaks of bigger issues that bred anger and discontent. Largely related to disenfranchisement, a diminishment of hope and demise of the American dream. Politics is a vehicle for unloading as is religion, gender issues, etc. That’s where many let off steam. Which is not to say their interest in the subject isn’t genuine. But it isn’t the lone cause of their upset. Just one of many.

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I think Tyler Robinson assassinated Charlie Kirk for basically the same reason John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abraham Lincoln.

Booth: "Sic Semper Tyrannis" ("Thus always to tyrants")

Robinson: "Hey fascist, catch this".
 
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