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Who is the Antichrist?

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There was something about the prince of princes being cut off. In what context did this happen?
You didn't answer the question: where is the post in which I supposedly agreed with you?

The Prince of princes is a reference to God in Dan 8.25 But the Prince, or Messiah, is "cut off" in Dan 9.26. The Dan 8 reference is to Antiochus 4 and his oppositioin to God. The Dan 9 reference is to Jesus' death.
 
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Ever heard about Elon Musk nanny shalomgirl on youtube. She say she was procured to his family to babysit him and that he opened a portal with his mothers ancient artefacts and how the fallen appeared and Jesus saved her then she had asked someone in the family if Elon was the antichrist, to which they said no, but he will present the mark, and when he does that the antichrist will take the stage. sounds farfetched, but, considering what he is doing is the closest to a mark..
 
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Ever heard about Elon Musk nanny shalomgirl on youtube. She say she was procured to his family to babysit him and that he opened a portal with his mothers ancient artefacts and how the fallen appeared and Jesus saved her then she had asked someone in the family if Elon was the antichrist, to which they said no, but he will present the mark, and when he does that the antichrist will take the stage. sounds farfetched, but, considering what he is doing is the closest to a mark..
I really wish people would just let the rich and the famous, the movers and the shakers, have a life without pegging them as "the Antichrist," or even preliminary to that. We all deserve a life without undeserving attacks.

I don't fault you for reading what you do. I wonder things like that too. But God uses some of these people for good, even if there is some bad in them too. I don't want to get in the way of them doing good service for society.
 
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I really wish people would just let the rich and the famous, the movers and the shakers, have a life without pegging them as "the Antichrist," or even preliminary to that. We all deserve a life without undeserving attacks.

I don't fault you for reading what you do. I wonder things like that too. But God uses some of these people for good, even if there is some bad in them too. I don't want to get in the way of them doing good service for society.
well... I am sure not one of them that considers ai as beneficial at least the way they intend to use it to control everyone totally inside out. if it was done to ease and help another story but it is not. I am speaking more about actions. and what is said. chipping people. no. if it stays on helping the ill. yes, but it is a bait. talking about chipping everyone and control. no. talking about ending humanity. no. wake up everyone
 
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I really wish people would just let the rich and the famous, the movers and the shakers, have a life without pegging them as "the Antichrist," or even preliminary to that. We all deserve a life without undeserving attacks.

I am genuinely tired of christians making content with wild accusations that’s slanderous. The latest fixation is Trump’s assassination and it’s getting out of hand. Just because you have an idea doesn’t give you the right to announce it to the world and drag their name through the mud.

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The word “Antichrist” gets thrown around often. Politicians are called it, dictators accused of it, and movies dramatize it. For some, it’s nothing more than a myth. Atheist writer Christopher Hitchens dismissed the Antichrist as “apocalyptic fantasy,” while Hollywood portrays him as a shadowy villain plotting world domination. But what does the Bible actually teach about the Antichrist, and how should Christians understand him today?

What the Bible says about the Antichrist

The New Testament letters of John first used the word. John warns that “you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come” (1 John 2:18). Right away, the Bible shows two realities: there is a final Antichrist still to appear, but there are also many “antichrists” already active in the world.

The word itself means both “against Christ” and “in place of Christ.” The Antichrist does not only oppose Jesus but also seeks to replace Him with a counterfeit version of truth. John explains that “every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God,” calling this “the spirit of the antichrist” (1 John 4:3).

Paul adds more detail in 2 Thessalonians, describing “the man of lawlessness” who will exalt himself and even sit “in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God” (2 Thess. 2:3–4). Revelation 13paints an even starker picture of a beast rising from the sea, wielding global power, performing miraculous signs, and demanding worship. Together, these passages describe the Antichrist as deceptive, arrogant, and dangerous—a figure who leads people into false worship and rebellion against God.

Different Christian views

Continued below.

Who is "the" Anti-christ? Honestly, I've never attempted to answer that question via reference to the definite use of a definite article. :rolleyes:
 
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well... I am sure not one of them that considers ai as beneficial at least the way they intend to use it to control everyone totally inside out. if it was done to ease and help another story but it is not. I am speaking more about actions. and what is said. chipping people. no. if it stays on helping the ill. yes, but it is a bait. talking about chipping everyone and control. no. talking about ending humanity. no. wake up everyone
I hear ya, but the book of Revelation is not about technology, which can be used for good or for ill. The book of Revelation is about being loyal to Christ in the face of an Antichristian Apostasy. Christian Civilizatioin is in the midst of an Apostasy. But I believe we're here to bear witness to the truth even when things get bad. In the meantime, I kind of like the technological advances, though I'm not going to go for the creepy things that get into my head or under my skin. ;)
 
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Who is "the" Anti-christ? Honestly, I've never attempted to answer that question via reference to the definite use of a definite article. :rolleyes:
It comes from Daniel 7, where the "Little Horn" appears among a group of 10 nations to corrupt the Kingdom of God. God's temporal Kingdom has been on earth in the form of Christian governments, which are rapidly going away.

The Son of Man is coming with the clouds of heaven to establish God's eternal Kingdom on the earth, also called the "2nd Coming." 2 Thes 2 indicates the Son of Man will come to destroy the "Man of Sin," and to gather God's People, ie the Christians, to deliver them.
 
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It comes from Daniel 7, where the "Little Horn" appears among a group of 10 nations to corrupt the Kingdom of God. God's temporal Kingdom has been on earth in the form of Christian governments, which are rapidly going away.

The Son of Man is coming with the clouds of heaven to establish God's eternal Kingdom on the earth, also called the "2nd Coming." 2 Thes 2 indicates the Son of Man will come to destroy the "Man of Sin," and to gather God's People, ie the Christians, to deliver them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of all of that already. Thank you.
 
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THE PEACE NEGOTIATOR

The Middle East has again come into focus on the world stage. There seems no solution to the violent fightings and clashes of many groups. However the reality is that this kingdom is divided, and the Sunni and Shi-ites will not have peace until their long awaited `Messiah` figure comes and joins them together.

God`s word says that it would be a `divided kingdom` partly strong, and partly weak.

` Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter`s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; ........the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.` (Dan. 2: 41 & 42)

The leader of this Federation is described in great detail in God`s word. He is a royal person, with strong features; he is quite deceitful with cunning; he comes in peaceably and seizes power by intrigue.

`...a king (royal person) shall arise, having fierce features, who understands sinister schemes.....Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand...`(Dan. 8: 23 - 25)

` ...he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue.` (11: 21)


There is a person of that description who is even now seeking to negotiate peace with the different groups. His name is Ali Hatem Al-Suleiman. He is one of the most prominent leaders of the Sunni Awakening.

In 2006 Ali Hatem entered a strategic alliance with US forces, (against ISIS) which, in combination with the surge in US troops that began in 2007, succeeded in re-establishing a modicum of security in Iraq.

Since then though, the Shi-ite Iraq Government have excluded the Sunni from the police, army and jobs. Thus there is still unrest in Iraq. Ali Hatem desires stability for Iraq through Political means and not through fighting.

He was brought up in cosmopolitan Bagdad and has often spoken publicly of the need for tolerance. He is a crown Prince with ties to royal families across the Arab Gulf and the elite of neighbouring Jordan. His tribe, the Dulaim, is one of the largest tribes in Iraq and is a powerful social, political and economic force. Note Babylon is in its region.

He has a talent for speeches and his title of crown Prince inspire respect and loyalty. He travels to Qatar and the United Arab Emirates to rally Gulf Arabs to his cause.

Someone to watch!
 
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Who is "the" Anti-christ? Honestly, I've never attempted to answer that question via reference to the definite use of a definite article. :rolleyes:
Hi 2PhiloVoid,

The Antichrist will be an individual person who will be against and instead of Jesus - the True Christ.

Let's examine...

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

...messiah and Christ are the same.

In John 12:12-15, Jesus was hailed as the King of Israel by his followers as he entered Jerusalem, the week that he would be crucified.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Now let's look at John 5:43. Jesus knew that the Jews would eventually reject Him although he came in the name of the Lord.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

While Jesus was on the cross, the religious leaders mocked Him, saying...

Mark 15:
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

So the Antichrist will be a Jew. A Jew who the Jews will mistakenly think is their messiah. He will be anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet.

Being the Antichrist will be one phase, or stage, on the timeline of his eventual end.


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Hi 2PhiloVoid,

The Antichrist will be an individual person who will be against and instead of Jesus - the True Christ.

Let's examine...

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

...messiah and Christ are the same.

In John 12:12-15, Jesus was hailed as the King of Israel by his followers as he entered Jerusalem, the week that he would be crucified.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Now let's look at John 5:43. Jesus knew that the Jews would eventually reject Him although he came in the name of the Lord.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

While Jesus was on the cross, the religious leaders mocked Him, saying...

Mark 15:
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

So the Antichrist will be a Jew. A Jew who the Jews will mistakenly think is their messiah. He will be anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet.

Being the Antichrist will be one phase, or stage, on the timeline of his eventual end.


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I appreciate that you've worked hard to arrive at your own interpretive schematic of biblical prophecy in relation to the presence of "the" Anti-christ, but as I told another individual above in this thread, I'm already fully aware of the various eschatological viewpoints held by fellow Christians and I wasn't really asking for someone to 'fill me in' on the meaning of it all.

But thanks for offering your view, brother Doug.

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Yes, I'm fully aware of all of that already. Thank you.
Apparently not because you showed some confusion over use of the definite article before the word Antichrist. If you recognized the connection with THE Man of Sin in Dan 7 there would've been no confusion. The use of THE is a reflection upon some prior specific use in this case. If you already knew that why did you raise the question?

I suspect it is because you may have thought, like some others, that "antichrist" is a more general term, not tied to a specific character? Or, is there some other reason?
 
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Apparently not because you showed some confusion over use of the definite article before the word Antichrist. If you recognized the connection with THE Man of Sin in Dan 7 there would've been no confusion. The use of THE is a reflection upon some prior specific use in this case. If you already knew that why did you raise the question?
No, what you seem to think was my "confusion" was a mere rhetorical flourish. You merely misinterpreted what I said and assumed that I must have meant what it is you think I meant. I assure you, I'm not confused and am not looking for 'teaching.' I already have more than ample teaching on the topic.
I suspect it is because you may have thought, like some others, that "antichrist" is a more general term, not tied to a specific character? Or, is there some other reason?

No, I'm not like "some others." Antichrist in my view is a more general term. This doesn't mean there can't be or won't be some singular extreme baddie to lead the nations some day, but in general, the spirit of anti-christ has been around for the last two millennia. And my rub with the assurance that so many of us Christians espouse about 'end-times' is that while I do think I've generally figured out a few bits of the book of Revelation, I don't think anyone, including me, or you, or anyone else on this entire forum, actually fully knows the Lord's overall gameplan and schedule.

If anything, I think "the Man of Lawlessness" is typological, referring to a movement or a type of philosophical mindset that crops up in various places at various times in various political arenas and attempts to wreak havoc upon Christians and the Gospel.

So again, brother, thank you for offering your viewpoint earlier, but I'm not asking for help in understanding anything here in this thread.
 
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No, what you seem to think was my "confusion" was a mere rhetorical flourish. You merely misinterpreted what I said and assumed that I must have meant what it is you think I meant. I assure you, I'm not confused and am not looking for 'teaching.' I already have more than ample teaching on the topic.


No, I'm not like "some others." Antichrist in my view is a more general term. This doesn't mean there can't be or won't be some singular extreme baddie to lead the nations some day, but in general, the spirit of anti-christ has been around for the last two millennia. And my rub with the assurance that so many of us Christians espouse about 'end-times' is that while I do think I've generally figured out a few bits of the book of Revelation, I don't think anyone, including me, or you, or anyone else on this entire forum, actually fully knows the Lord's overall gameplan and schedule.

If anything, I think "the Man of Lawlessness" is typological, referring to a movement or a type of philosophical mindset that crops up in various places at various times in various political arenas and attempts to wreak havoc upon Christians and the Gospel.

So again, brother, thank you for offering your viewpoint earlier, but I'm not asking for help in understanding anything here in this thread.
Actually, you just seemed to admit that you were doing what I thought you were doing, ie reducing "antichrist" down to some general, and not technical, use. In your case, it does seem to be a bit different, though, inasmuch as you see "antichrist" as some kind of typological construct, indicating a philosophy of a kind.

Often, with the THE attached to some previous designation we have a proper noun identified in the previous use. In this case, "Antichrist," not even needing a THE, would refer back to the Little Horn of Dan 7. I don't think it would hurt you one bit for somebody like me to remind you of something you "already know."
I think you wish to view your views as a unique view, but alas--there is nothing new under the sun.
 
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The one thing I'd like to point out is that John got his word "Antichrist" and Paul got his word "Man of Sin" from his description in Dan 7. There, the Little Horn appears as head of a 10 nation confederation to oppose the coming of the Kingdom of Christ, the "Son of Man."
Its 10 Horns not 10 nations, its never called that. Horns = Powers and 10 = Completion. So, you have 10 Powers arising. Now think, God can never be wrong, so in am ever changing landscape He uses 10 to describes these Powers that arise out of Old Rome. So, in 1956 or so 8 Nations arose vis the Council of Rome, in the 70s it grew, in the 80s it grew etc. etc. It was 27 or more nations then the UK left, but you see with the number 10 God stated 10 (Completion) Powers or Horns arose and thus the E.U. took the place of old Rome. Its never 10, the 10 Virgins do not mean 10 Virgin women. The 10 Commandments are a stand in for the complete law. The 10 days of Tribulation Smyrna faced was the Complete Church Age.

And so, this "Little Horn" is Anti Christ, and a Man of Sin. He subverts what God intends to make into Christ's Kingdom, and persecutes the saints.
Indeed, he has like 33 or so names, he's a Little Horn meaning a Power that is a man which God never allows to turn into a kingdom, like the four in Dan. 7:17 did, by passing their kingdoms on. He is also a Assyrian, but only by bloodline that kingdom is no more.

We know that Israel fell away, if only temporarily. And we are seeing Christian Civilizatioin falling away as well, in Europe and elsewhere--wherever Christianity has spread. We are warned that before the Kingdom of God comes, there will be testing.
Read Return of the GODS, it explains why paganism is coming back into the culture in Europe & the USA.
 
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Actually, you just seemed to admit that you were doing what I thought you were doing, ie reducing "antichrist" down to some general, and not technical, use. In your case, it does seem to be a bit different, though, inasmuch as you see "antichrist" as some kind of typological construct, indicating a philosophy of a kind.

Often, with the THE attached to some previous designation we have a proper noun identified in the previous use. In this case, "Antichrist," not even needing a THE, would refer back to the Little Horn of Dan 7. I don't think it would hurt you one bit for somebody like me to remind you of something you "already know."
I think you wish to view your views as a unique view, but alas--there is nothing new under the sun.

No, I in no way think my views are "unique" or "special." All I've done so far is mention that I simply don't think anyone has a "full view" all figured out.

I in no way claimed to know more than you, nor that I know that your position on biblical eschatology is utterly wrong. I said to you above that I'm already fully aware of the interpretive issues and that it is possible there could be some leading figure someday; the caveat in my thinking is simply that a leading human figure is in itself not required. Again, I didn't say there won't be. You apparently don't believe me and/or have firmly placed all your interpretive chips into one of the dozen positions available and feel the need to prove a point.

My apologies if you think I'm undermining you by telling you that I don't need your help with interpreting the Bible.
 
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Its 10 Horns not 10 nations, its never called that.
10 Horns represented 10 kingdoms, which is synonymous with nations. I used the word "nations" because when you study the evolution of the 4th Kingdom, ie the Roman Empire, you see that kingdoms formed after it that in the modern age are referred to sometimes as "nations." They are nation-states that have leaders, whether called "kings" or "presidents" or "prime iministers." They are heads of state.
Horns = Powers and 10 = Completion. So, you have 10 Powers arising.
It is not said to be "completion," but okay. The number 10 relates to the number of toes on two feet. It relates back to Dan 2 where the Great Statue had 2 feet of iron mixed with clay.
Now think, God can never be wrong, so in am ever changing landscape He uses 10 to describes these Powers that arise out of Old Rome. So, in 1956 or so 8 Nations arose vis the Council of Rome, in the 70s it grew, in the 80s it grew etc. etc. It was 27 or more nations then the UK left, but you see with the number 10 God stated 10 (Completion) Powers or Horns arose and thus the E.U. took the place of old Rome. Its never 10, the 10 Virgins do not mean 10 Virgin women. The 10 Commandments are a stand in for the complete law. The 10 days of Tribulation Smyrna faced was the Complete Church Age.
Well, the number itself is interesting, but I think God views hands and feet as a set of 10. That is travelling and working, feet and hands.

I agree that the EU arose out of Old Rome, but the number it has evolved into is not related to the precise number that will form a Kingdom and what Antichrist will take over. It will be, I think, 5 major nations from W. Europe and 5 major nations from E. Europe.

Not all of the nations in the EU carried the Roman Imperial banner. So, it's much less than 27. I can't say precisely which ones they would be, but I could certainly guess!
Indeed, he has like 33 or so names, he's a Little Horn meaning a Power that is a man which God never allows to turn into a kingdom, like the four in Dan. 7:17 did, by passing their kingdoms on. He is also a Assyrian, but only by bloodline that kingdom is no more.
I don't know that he's Assyrian--he's much more likely a Jewish or Christians apostate from Europe. The "Little" refers to the fact he is an individual king as opposed to an entire kingdom.

The Antichrist does not have a lot of names in Scriptures. I just mentioned the few I know, including the Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Anti-Christ, and the Beast. The Beast itself is a kingdom, but he is also the king over that kingdom.

Thanks for the discussion. It's always interesting. I'm just sharing my view of things.
 
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