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Former Pink Floyd member Roger Waters faces possible prosecution after supporting banned Palestine Action

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Im fine with critiquing the policies of other countries just as Im fine with people from abroad pointing out how absurd America can be.

Of course Im content to leave UK policy making to UKsians. I dont expect to have any actually say in it.
I just can't be bothered to learn about the issues...even American politics tend to leave me disinterested because they rarely intrude on my little life. Now my local school board, council, and county government...there's the ticket.
 
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I just can't be bothered to learn about the issues...even American politics tend to leave me disinterested because they rarely intrude on my little life. Now my local school board, council, and county government...there's the ticket.
Theres a lot of national issues that affect my life, or others I care about, even day to day. So I definitely pay attention.
 
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Theres a lot of national issues that affect my life, or others I care about, even day to day. So I definitely pay attention.
Fair enough, I've found that no matter who is in office in national politics my life basically goes on as normal. There may be issues I'm missing, perhaps my tax burden shifts or similar, but by and large my life is too small to be effected by issues of national importance.
 
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I just can't be bothered to learn about the issues...even American politics tend to leave me disinterested because they rarely intrude on my little life. Now my local school board, council, and county government...there's the ticket.

I think a lot of the societal gripes and conflicts that occur are precisely the result of people not paying close enough attention to state & federal politics.

I consider "30% of my income getting taken" as more than just a minor intrusion, especially when that money will be used to dictate policy that the local and county government will have no choice but to follow.


If you look at any of the hot button issues out there today (whether it be guns, abortion, school curriculum accreditation, etc...), those are almost all going to come from the state and/or federal level and your mayor or city council will have little to no say in those matters.
 
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I think a lot of the societal gripes and conflicts that occur are precisely the result of people not paying close enough attention to state & federal politics.
Perhaps, though it seems to me people care far too much about national politics especially the presidency and far too little about downballot races. Far easier to hold politicians drawing from a smaller pool accountable, and I'm not just talking about local.
I consider "30% of my income getting taken" as more than just a minor intrusion, especially when that money will be used to dictate policy that the local and county government will have no choice but to follow.
Death and taxes. Comparitively speaking, US taxes are quite low.
If you look at any of the hot button issues out there today (whether it be guns, abortion, school curriculum accreditation, etc...), those are almost all going to come from the state and/or federal level and your mayor or city council will have little to no say in those matters.
Most of those don't have a whole lot of effect on my life, so I don't get worked up about them. And the ones that do like curriculum generally aren't all that inflexible and aren't usually directly affected by voting since the officials who decide such things are generally appointments rather than voted into office. Part of my disinterest is I live in a state where I am grossly outnumbered and caring about state and national politics would simply be angering with little real possibility of change. So I focus on where my voice actually makes a difference, and pray that the rest doesn't get too mangled.
 
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Waters [also gave] kudos to Bob Vylan, who led the Glastonbury Festival crowd in a chant, shouting, "Death, death to the IDF."

Bob Vylan album re-enters charts following Glastonbury controversy

With their 2024 album Humble As The Sun having reappeared at the top spot of the UK hip-hop and R&B charts, as well as at number seven in the Official Charts and eight in the independent charts, the band struck a triumphant tone.

They posted on X: “Ban Bob Vylan? The people said ‘Nah’. We need artists that speak up.
 
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...But it didn't used to be!


I'd be more okay if Waters was just an anti-Semite. But when he became a Pro-Palestinian too, he started to seem more like a bandwagon sellout.
 
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I'd be more okay if Waters was just an anti-Semite. But when he became a Pro-Palestinian too, he started to seem more like a bandwagon sellout.

What if he were Pro-Palestinian, but not an anti-Semite? Would that be better or worse than "just anti-Semitic" or "both"?
 
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Former Pink Floyd songwriter Roger Waters could face prosecution after declaring his support for Palestine Action, a terrorist organization that has been banned by Parliament in the U.K.

Waters posted a video to X on Saturday, in which the Rock ‘N Roll Hall of Fame inductee praised Palestine Action as a "great organization," while also giving kudos to Bob Vylan, who led the Glastonbury Festival crowd in a chant, shouting, "Death, death to the IDF."

Waters said in his video that he was in his studio and was working on a piece of brown cardboard with a Sharpie.

He then switched the camera from his face to the cardboard.

I don't think there's an authoritarian left-wing or anti-western regime he won't shill for, so I'm not exactly surprised.
 
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The UK is dead.
Looks outside to see a peaceful warm summers day with the sounds of birds and insects busy about their duties. I can hear kids playing across the way the sounds of DIY for over the old wall.

UK is great :thumbsup:
 
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Looks outside to see a peaceful warm summers day with the sounds of birds and insects busy about their duties. I can hear kids playing across the way the sounds of DIY for over the old wall.

UK is great :thumbsup:
It's only warm where you are? Where I am (suburban heat trap) it's hot enough for me to lurk in the supermarket fridge aisles for a bit when I go shopping this afternoon.
 
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It's only warm where you are? Where I am (suburban heat trap) it's hot enough for me to lurk in the supermarket fridge aisles for a bit when I go shopping this afternoon.
It's 26c here in Merseyside. But I live right next door to a wood and meadow. It's also really flats so it mostly makes a nice breeze, mostly. No tall buildings or too much concrete helps too. :thumbsup:

Edit: just seen you live in Oxford. That's where I was born. I grew up in a village near Didcot.
 
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I don't care I still love his music lol. Nothing will make me give up his music.

I don't like it when musos get involved in politics. But with social media you have to be careful what you say. Especially maybe after a few burbons lol.

Musos and celebs should just stay out of politics. They have a high profile and everything today is srutinised. But I still like his music.
 
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Well, I think the controversy around that stems from the fact that he wears the uniform, but then later defends it with "It's just an artistic expression where I'm playing a fascist character...but it's to show how much I oppose fascism"

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However, the combination of that plus some of his past statements were enough that German police (Germany has strict laws against anything related to Nazism) opened an investigation against him.

However, his defense of "it's just artistic expression" rings a little hollow given that he's the same guy who wrote "dirty k*ke" on an inflatable pig used as a stage prop for his concert tour, along with other symbols and slogans often associated with antisemitic conspiracy theories, such as dollar signs or the slogan "follow the money" over the the star of David.

He's been in legal trouble in his home country as well
Yes I think this is the problem that what Waters meant originally and still does as art is now seen differently in todays cultural context. Back when Waters originally wrote the album it was a concept album loosely based on his life of a young kid growing up during the 2nd WW. So the Nazis was a big part as the scary monster which was also reflected in the scary head master mincing up the kids.

It was all art and back then even dressing up in controversial figures or acting out crazy evil representations of real life was just seen as art. That is what it is, pushing the boundaries and being controversial. But its never actually real or meant to be a real representation of the artist.

To me its similar to comedy. Its virtually died as a act. Comedians were getting cancelled for saying the jokes that only a few years before were the funniest thing ever. The same with celebs and writers and especially in literature where books were being cancelled or amended.

But back when I watched the Wall the idea of promoting Nazis was not even on peoples minds. In fact the message that came through was that the Nazis and especially that mean old head master who minced up the kids were the bad guys who the world needed to get rid of.
 
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UK is great :thumbsup:
Until it isn't...Sharia law is coming...by 2030 the UK could have over 8% Muslim population...The Yorkshire city of Bradford has 25% of its population Muslim, but two London boroughs had still higher concentrations (Tower Hamlets, with 34.5% and Newham, with 32%).
 
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What makes you think my country will be under Sharia law any more than it will be under Biblical law?
Because it already is in certain areas. It won't be long until many Gov positions will be held by Muslims. Muslim birth rates are much higher in the UK too. As I said, by 2030 the UK could have over 8% Muslim population...The Yorkshire city of Bradford has 25% of its population Muslim, but two London boroughs had still higher concentrations (Tower Hamlets, with 34.5% and Newham, with 32%).
 
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