I love deep thinking especially God/end times/bible/do something for God anyone that can think deep or INFJ introvert etc here?

[Jerry N.]

I`m more of a help each other approach than a you do this wrong approach. It`s so typical me very empathetic person

Being empathetic is a very useful trait. I too am not very interested in chit chat, but I’ve learned that it is very important. Suppose you are at a bus stop, and a person starts to talk to you about the weather. Three things are happening or one or two:

• The person is afraid and wants to be reassured that you mean them no harm.
• They are lonely and want social interaction and recognition that they matter.
• They might actually care about the weather.

My point is that the content of the chit chat may not have any importance, but deeper things are going on that require a level of kindness.

I had an old man come up to me at the supermarket, and he started a conversation about the product I was buying. He really didn’t care about the product or me, but he was desperate for interaction in the form of conversation and a smile. It would be unkind not to give them to him.

 

[ARBITER01]

somewhat interesting.

 

[Godcrazy]

Being empathetic is a very useful trait. I too am not very interested in chit chat, but I’ve learned that it is very important. Suppose you are at a bus stop, and a person starts to talk to you about the weather. Three things are happening or one or two:

• The person is afraid and wants to be reassured that you mean them no harm.
• They are lonely and want social interaction and recognition that they matter.
• They might actually care about the weather.

My point is that the content of the chit chat may not have any importance, but deeper things are going on that require a level of kindness.

I had an old man come up to me at the supermarket, and he started a conversation about the product I was buying. He really didn’t care about the product or me, but he was desperate for interaction in the form of conversation and a smile. It would be unkind not to give them to him.

I`m aware of that, and I can see the difference and normally know what they are seeking. I have always given if it is to support another. However things like sitting in a room all day and all people do is chit chat to an extreme noise level, or a gathering where it is the same no or if someone trying to be friendly never ever after a longer time get further down and I do not mean like not getting used to each other kinda like. It is just draining then. empty. point is, not forever,please. there are those that do prefer it to always be a superficial level. I am not that type

 

[Jerry N.]

I`m aware of that, and I can see the difference and normally know what they are seeking. I have always given if it is to support another. However things like sitting in a room all day and all people do is chit chat to an extreme noise level, or a gathering where it is the same no or if someone trying to be friendly never ever after a longer time get further down and I do not mean like not getting used to each other kinda like. It is just draining then. empty. point is, not forever,please. there are those that do prefer it to always be a superficial level. I am not that type

If the chatting goes on for too long, it can be unpleasant. It is hard to get beyond the superficial level with most people. It takes both people to have a certain level of curiosity, which is a rare thing. It can sometimes be stimulated with the right questions. Everybody’s favorite topic is themselves, but one can often make a bridge to other topics. Shared experiences often works, but it has to be defined in some detail that people can relate to themselves. I tried it once with ghosts on this forum, but it didn’t work. I thought everybody had ghost stories. Maybe you can come up with a more defined question to stimulate discussion.

 

[Godcrazy]

I think you’re blind to your biases and assume you’re accepting when your comments say otherwise when discussing others. For example, your opinions on discourse and what you perceive as true believers. You mention tolerance frequently but a lot of it is in response to your experiences with believers who didn’t embrace your gifts or welcome the prophecies or conversations on spiritual warfare and the like.

I’ll be perfectly honest. I’m not into prophecies or the sort of person you can tell the Lord said this about you. I won’t believe it and will rebuke the message and pray against it and He knows it. I don’t have difficulty hearing from the Lord and don’t seek a word from other people. I go to the Source instead.

When it comes to spiritual warfare I’m very adept but it isn’t part of my conversation very often. I’m not enamored with the devil and what he’s doing and his minions. I devote my attention to things that raise my spirit and increase my frequency. That’s a low vibration subject and the more you focus on it the more spiritual fuel you need.

But there’s people who welcome it and those are your kindred spirits. We don’t have to like the same things. It’s okay to say you’re not interested and we have to respect their boundaries.

You mentioned the enneagram earlier but I believe it isn’t real. It’s a parlor game much like the other personality tests. You may see some similarities but applying the label to yourself has spiritual consequences and you’re aligning your destiny to the thing behind it. When you understand your identity on a higher level you don’t diminish your star. But you may think I’m wrong and it’s okay. It doesn’t bother me.

~bella

again, tolerance and inclusiveness for those "we don`t think are like us or seem weird or other thinking or looking" is important. It is more having an open mind, a non superficial attitude like what is behind look deeper about things, too many close minded people. when we as christians should strive to be open and inclusive. as long as someone does not break the commands I mean. I am actually studying psychology. and it is at that level i talk. some use the enneagram there. as a guide. not a set in stone thing. as with everything it is how you use it. if you know the line or not. i am not black and white thinking. I do not compromise the commands but that is another thing. It is not about liking same things. it is not on that level I mean it. (that is again another example) but just.. non judgemental, openness, especially inclusive even if we do not understand OR like. (if someone does not break any commands like i said) Jesus was always inclusive and open to others, when they did not do anything wrong. He accepted them and had no problem hearing them, and I believe he focused on the positive than the what he did not like. If we are to exclude or not be inclusive or not be just as friendly to those that do not think like us we have to live under a box. that becomes unfortunately too much black and white. as then we will only hear an ecco chamber, and not anything that goes against. which makes us more intolerant as time goes by. we see this in the society by the split that is. this is exactly why. we have lost the inclusiveness and I focus on the positive and what we do not agree on fair game as long as you do not break the laws. it is a sad state and as christians we should not entertain it.

 

[Godcrazy]

If the chatting goes on for too long, it can be unpleasant. It is hard to get beyond the superficial level with most people. It takes both people to have a certain level of curiosity, which is a rare thing. It can sometimes be stimulated with the right questions. Everybody’s favorite topic is themselves, but one can often make a bridge to other topics. Shared experiences often works, but it has to be defined in some detail that people can relate to themselves. I tried it once with ghosts on this forum, but it didn’t work. I thought everybody had ghost stories. Maybe you can come up with a more defined question to stimulate discussion.

I can understand if you don`t know someone and want to develop safety and familiarity. I get that. But, after that... It does not mean flake it all out. I think the problem is black and white thinking and a lack of openness and inclusiveness. too much split, as we see in society. why can`t we just go ahh. that`s interesting.. oh, howcome.. or a want to find out and REALLY understand the other. with no back motives. the open mind. the focus on the positive. yes it could very well be the real issue is selfishness. or a if they don`t think like me I will not engage. How sad. that is ultimately how wars are started. It`s a they are weird boom judge. no attempt to understand, to discuss, to ever include. In old days you made sure everyone felt welcome despite if you found them a bit weird. you understood that not everyone are the same and you accepted that and made an effort to get to know them any way and appreciate the positive. before you knew it you realised you were wrong. that is what i mean. I think maybe media. click and go away mentality. How the ... can you NOT be interested curious of who you are talking to. wanting to know more deeper. I don`t get it. It gets boring quickly otherwise, and especially, no connection ,no understanding just me me me. NO. waw. see, that is where i get dissapointed. I`m like as christians we should try. Jesus included everyone. He accepted everyone. sure he warned against sins and all that but I mean otherwise. He even picked out Nikodemus in the tree that everyone else ignored. That is what I mean. He went in to "the sinners" the "not think as me people" and had dinner with them! that is what i mean. could it be those people ..were empty..

 

[Godcrazy]

I can understand if you don`t know someone and want to develop safety and familiarity. I get that. But, after that... It does not mean flake it all out. I think the problem is black and white thinking and a lack of openness and inclusiveness. too much split, as we see in society. why can`t we just go ahh. that`s interesting.. oh, howcome.. or a want to find out and REALLY understand the other. with no back motives. the open mind. the focus on the positive. yes it could very well be the real issue is selfishness. or a if they don`t think like me I will not engage. How sad. that is ultimately how wars are started. It`s a they are weird boom judge. no attempt to understand, to discuss, to ever include. In old days you made sure everyone felt welcome despite if you found them a bit weird. you understood that not everyone are the same and you accepted that and made an effort to get to know them any way and appreciate the positive. before you knew it you realised you were wrong. that is what i mean. I think maybe media. click and go away mentality. How the ... can you NOT be interested curious of who you are talking to. wanting to know more deeper. I don`t get it. It gets boring quickly otherwise, and especially, no connection ,no understanding just me me me. NO. waw. see, that is where i get dissapointed. I`m like as christians we should try. Jesus included everyone. He accepted everyone. sure he warned against sins and all that but I mean otherwise. He even picked out Nikodemus in the tree that everyone else ignored. That is what I mean. He went in to "the sinners" the "not think as me people" and had dinner with them! that is what i mean. could it be those people ..were empty..

And that is where I go there is something wrong here, if we don`t even try to include and accept and love anyway something very wrong

 

[Godcrazy]

If the chatting goes on for too long, it can be unpleasant. It is hard to get beyond the superficial level with most people. It takes both people to have a certain level of curiosity, which is a rare thing. It can sometimes be stimulated with the right questions. Everybody’s favorite topic is themselves, but one can often make a bridge to other topics. Shared experiences often works, but it has to be defined in some detail that people can relate to themselves. I tried it once with ghosts on this forum, but it didn’t work. I thought everybody had ghost stories. Maybe you can come up with a more defined question to stimulate discussion.

I see you are polish. I have here in Uk met many baltic people that were wonderful and very good people and good friends, and very logical and open. I love the way you people are. I am from sweden scandinavia but I live in Uk. So sorry for everything that is going on and the threats towards Poland these days. Please know, if you ever have need to run and need a place, I am here for you. all of you. In these times everyone needs to stick together. That is my mentality, especially brothers and sisters. you people are fierce and does not tolerate the evil. I like that.

 

[Godcrazy]

If the chatting goes on for too long, it can be unpleasant. It is hard to get beyond the superficial level with most people. It takes both people to have a certain level of curiosity, which is a rare thing. It can sometimes be stimulated with the right questions. Everybody’s favorite topic is themselves, but one can often make a bridge to other topics. Shared experiences often works, but it has to be defined in some detail that people can relate to themselves. I tried it once with ghosts on this forum, but it didn’t work. I thought everybody had ghost stories. Maybe you can come up with a more defined question to stimulate discussion.

I see you are messianic. It is something I`m very interested, unfortunately the nearest church of sorts is too far away currently. gotta wait til I drive . I`m very close in beliefs.

 

[bèlla]

again, tolerance and inclusiveness for those "we don`t think are like us or seem weird or other thinking or looking" is important.

This is a recurring theme in your posts which leads me to think the root is personal and not a general talking point. You keep hammering the same points again and again. And it sounds like you need to heal.

If we keep banging our head on a door that won’t budge it’s going to hurt after a while. At some point we must accept what is and what is not and move on.

~bella

 

[Godcrazy]

This is a recurring theme in your posts which leads me to think the root is personal and not a general talking point. You keep hammering the same points again and again. And it sounds like you need to heal.

If we keep banging our head on a door that won’t budge it’s going to hurt after a while. At some point we must accept what is and what is not and move on.

~bella

It is a genuine question looking for a deeper additive or thoughts about it, because why? because honestly I see this more in the church than I have not the superficial and the close mind and not want to include. that is why I raise it to get to the real issue.

 

[Godcrazy]

This is a recurring theme in your posts which leads me to think the root is personal and not a general talking point. You keep hammering the same points again and again. And it sounds like you need to heal.

If we keep banging our head on a door that won’t budge it’s going to hurt after a while. At some point we must accept what is and what is not and move on.

~bella

I would rather you just ask instead of pass judgement about it

 

[Jerry N.]

I can understand if you don`t know someone and want to develop safety and familiarity. I get that. But, after that... It does not mean flake it all out. I think the problem is black and white thinking and a lack of openness and inclusiveness. too much split, as we see in society. why can`t we just go ahh. that`s interesting.. oh, howcome.. or a want to find out and REALLY understand the other. with no back motives. the open mind. the focus on the positive. yes it could very well be the real issue is selfishness. or a if they don`t think like me I will not engage. How sad. that is ultimately how wars are started. It`s a they are weird boom judge. no attempt to understand, to discuss, to ever include. In old days you made sure everyone felt welcome despite if you found them a bit weird. you understood that not everyone are the same and you accepted that and made an effort to get to know them any way and appreciate the positive. before you knew it you realised you were wrong. that is what i mean. I think maybe media. click and go away mentality. How the ... can you NOT be interested curious of who you are talking to. wanting to know more deeper. I don`t get it. It gets boring quickly otherwise, and especially, no connection ,no understanding just me me me. NO. waw. see, that is where i get dissapointed. I`m like as christians we should try. Jesus included everyone. He accepted everyone. sure he warned against sins and all that but I mean otherwise. He even picked out Nikodemus in the tree that everyone else ignored. That is what I mean. He went in to "the sinners" the "not think as me people" and had dinner with them! that is what i mean. could it be those people ..were empty..

I don’t understand everything you wrote, but I maybe get the general idea. Jesus met people where they were and tried to help them with what they needed. That is where one shows love. What people want is not always good for them, but we don’t have the wisdom Jesus had. Having an “opened mind” has been corrupted in today’s discourse, so people are afraid. We have to tread carefully. It is easier to retreat to what is comfortable, so that is what people do when putting themselves in a box.

That “me me me” problem is hard or impossible to overcome but for the grace of God.

I don’t think enneagrams are a parlor trick, but it is just a refined version of the Greek humors. The mix of personality types can change with age and circumstances. Although interesting and useful, not too much weight should be given.

 

[Jerry N.]

I see you are polish. I have here in Uk met many baltic people that were wonderful and very good people and good friends, and very logical and open. I love the way you people are. I am from sweden scandinavia but I live in Uk. So sorry for everything that is going on and the threats towards Poland these days. Please know, if you ever have need to run and need a place, I am here for you. all of you. In these times everyone needs to stick together. That is my mentality, especially brothers and sisters. you people are fierce and does not tolerate the evil. I like that.

Thank you for your kind words. I hope I never have to take you up on your offer.

 

[bèlla]

I would rather you just ask instead of pass judgement about it

It’s none of my business and I’m not inclined to ask. I respond to what’s posted publicly and that’s all. No one is judging you nor do I want an emotional back and forth. We’ve stated our positions and that’s that.

~bella

 

[Godcrazy]

I don’t understand everything you wrote, but I maybe get the general idea. Jesus met people where they were and tried to help them with what they needed. That is where one shows love. What people want is not always good for them, but we don’t have the wisdom Jesus had. Having an “opened mind” has been corrupted in today’s discourse, so people are afraid. We have to tread carefully. It is easier to retreat to what is comfortable, so that is what people do when putting themselves in a box.

That “me me me” problem is hard or impossible to overcome but for the grace of God.

I don’t think enneagrams are a parlor trick, but it is just a refined version of the Greek humors. The mix of personality types can change with age and circumstances. Although interesting and useful, not too much weight should be given.

feel free to ask
It is a balance between "protecting onself " and "see who is bad or not" and giving everyone a chance and remain an open mind, it does not have to mean we agree, it means, we give space for the other person. Most times all it takes is listening with mouth shut. basically. asking a few leading questions. trying to understand more than judge. no need to. but we have to start somewhere. we have to be willing. we have to think how Jesus is like. try at least. the written word is a pest many times. if we see a person we can clue in. we can read the non verbal especially the micro signals. we have to be wary though of a me vs them mentality or I am right they are wrong. as long as they don`t cross the commands, I mean. I have always tried to have an open mind and do my best to include others. Because I know how it feels. why is it these things are so more common within the church? do you know?
ugh. me me me. and there demons can use it. full stop. Did you know the catholics talk about virtues. to develop discipline in regards to sins weaknesses and I would say even these things, to include, to hear others out, to accept and include others. could it be a question about discipline?? I think everything can be used good or bad, we have to have good line with God and know the commands and always reflect. otherwise we have to be taken out of this world.

 

[Godcrazy]

Thank you for your kind words. I hope I never have to take you up on your offer.

I hope that too. But I feel immense love towards my brothers and sisters. especially those who suffer or are threatened. I would not be able to live with myself if I had the chance to do something and did not. it must feel very difficult and hard now. How are you guys?

 

[Godcrazy]

It’s none of my business and I’m not inclined to ask. I respond to what’s posted publicly and that’s all. No one is judging you nor do I want an emotional back and forth. We’ve stated our positions and that’s that.

~bella

if we don`t ask, we can`t know, and we can`t speak of what we don`t know or have asked about can we is it not better to ask, than judge

 

[Jerry N.]

I hope that too. But I feel immense love towards my brothers and sisters. especially those who suffer or are threatened. I would not be able to live with myself if I had the chance to do something and did not. it must feel very difficult and hard now. How are you guys?

We are fine. Thanks for asking. At the beginning of the war, it was a little scary, and there were a lot of military aircraft. Now, it is quieter. Ukraine is about 100km away, but we are a long way from the battle fronts.

 

[FireDragon76]

I am an INFX. Which means I don't have a strong tendency towards either judging or perceiving.

At least you aren't in the US, you're in the UK, which has more of a cultural appreciation of introverted, reflective types of people.

You mentioned the Enneagram. It could be that your religious orientation or spirituality doesn't actually line up with who you are. Most people with that personality type that harness their gifts productively, do so through a religious community or spiritual practices that focuses on disciplined, often embodied practices that focus on being grounded in something bigger than the self. In the UK, you're more likely to find that in an Anglican or Catholic religious environment.

If you're hanging out in conventional Evangelical spaces, you are going to go against the grain. You have the capacity to inhabit mystery and paradox, whereas Evangelicalism as a whole considers mystery to be destabilizing or harmful, and favors clarity, even if it flattens complexity, nuance, or paradox.