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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

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You should have some doubt. Lot of dots being connected to the shooter being a Groyper instead of a liberal anitfa member.
What are some of those dots?
 
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My sources are telling me he once ate a sandwich from Chick-fil-A. A Chick-fil-A secretly owned by Israelis.
I believe you are mistaking a post from Harry Sisson which he later pulled down about him dressing up as Trump for Halloween. But it was actually him dressing is a costume that made him mockingly look like he was riding on top of Donald Trump. Lies travel across the globe before the truth puts on its shoes.
 
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I believe you are mistaking a post from Harry Sisson which he lated pulled down about him dressing up as Trump for Halloween. But it was actually him dressing is a costume that made him mockingly look like he was riding on top of Donald Trump. Lies travel across the globe before the truth puts on its shoes.
I think maybe you meant to quote the other guy.
 
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I believe you are mistaking a post from Harry Sisson which he later pulled down about him dressing up as Trump for Halloween. But it was actually him dressing is a costume that made him mockingly look like he was riding on top of Donald Trump. Lies travel across the globe before the truth puts on its shoes.
First, yes there is that one which I don't put any stock in having any kind of meaningful info from. That would be this picture:
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2017 Trump was obviously incredibly topical and a Halloween costume of him isn't very niche, especially for a 14 year old.

2nd, the picture you probably meant to quote about is actually correct, it's this one:

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No date on this one, but that's the Pepe the Frog meme, which I had mentioned earlier. Now, it really depends on what year this was, because it's either a very niche meme that was only being done in the Groyper community, or it could be from when it already crossed into the general mainstream internet which means it's an incredibly benign picture. It's possible it's not even referencing this meme at all, but I'm struggling to see which one it would be and I'm open to ideas.


I'll stress again, none of this is definitive, but the info might be worth considering in totality.
 
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I think the door's still open as far as determining which faction he was from....

The antifa faction (which is far left) or the Groypers (which are so far right, they even outflank people like Kirk/Shapiro/Crowder)



However, it's being reported here:

...and I heard this on another news program I was listening to in the car about an hour ago. Evidently the authorities got some Discord transcripts, and messages from the day before the shooting are indicating that he said that "Kirk is full of hate and spreading hate", and from the way they made it sound, it almost sounds like there was someone else that knew it was about to happen.

The messages from “Tyler” stated a “need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel,” the affidavit shows.


Discord appears to be disputing that:
But Discord is disputing the information that the officials were pushing out Friday, claiming its investigation showed while Robinson had a Discord account, there’s “no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord,” according to reports.

“The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages,” the company said. “These were communications between the suspect’s roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere.

“We have removed the suspect’s account for violating our off-platform behavior policy.”


So who knows whether or not the authorities were just confused about which messaging platform the roommate allowed them to see and take pictures of on the screen, or if Discord's move to swiftly nuke the account was a bit of a CYA move.
 
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I can't get over the fact that he's only 22; hardly out of adolescence - a time when kids try and find out who they are, what they think and what life means. For his generation it must be such a confusing world, with political hatred on both sides, social media with all sorts of ideas and disinformation abounding. He's not a middle-aged man with years experience of life. It's tragic. I hope he doesn't get the death penalty. The world we live in is partly to blame. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but not that.
 
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I can't get over the fact that he's only 22; hardly out of adolescence - a time when kids try and find out who they are, what they think and what life means. For his generation it must be such a confusing world, with political hatred on both sides, social media with all sorts of ideas and disinformation abounding. He's not a middle-aged man with years experience of life. It's tragic. I hope he doesn't get the death penalty. The world we live in is partly to blame. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but not that.
I actually expected the shooter to be close to that age, because so many shooters have been around 18 to 22 years old. The guy who shot Trump was 20.
 
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My sources are telling me he once ate a sandwich from Chick-fil-A. A Chick-fil-A secretly owned by Israelis.
No, if that was true they would be closed on Saturday instead of Sunday
 
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I actually expected the shooter to be close to that age, because so many shooters have been around 18 to 22 years old. The guy who shot Trump was 20.
That is so sad!
 
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His dad was with the sheriff’s office for 27 years. The most suck for him if his son turns out to be the killer.
I feel so horrible for this dad. I cant imagine the pain in his heart.
 
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I feel so horrible for this dad. I cant imagine the pain in his heart.
It will really be hard for the father if his son gets the death penalty after he turned him in. I guess it’s still better for him than his son committing suicide or getting killed while avoiding capture.
 
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I can't get over the fact that he's only 22; hardly out of adolescence - a time when kids try and find out who they are, what they think and what life means. For his generation it must be such a confusing world, with political hatred on both sides, social media with all sorts of ideas and disinformation abounding. He's not a middle-aged man with years experience of life. It's tragic. I hope he doesn't get the death penalty. The world we live in is partly to blame. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but not that.
There is so much I want to say but I cannot.
 
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It will really be hard for the father if his son gets the death penalty after he turned him in. I guess it’s still better for him than his son committing suicide or getting killed while avoiding capture.
It's tragic, but he is an honourable man for turning him in. The whole situation is tragic for everybody.
 
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I feel so horrible for this dad. I cant imagine the pain in his heart.
Makes everyone wonder where society went wrong for this troubled young kid. If I may address the elephant in the room. Society failed him by convincing him that any speech he didnt like was hate speech and violence was an acceptable response. Does anyone think for a second that perhaps celebrities holding bloodied heads resembling Donald Trump had anything to do with this? Does anyone think that perhaps a sitting president calling half the country "the greatest threat to democracy" had anything to do with it? When you had mobs of people throwing milkshakes and attacking people, some even punching elderly people for wearing a MAGA hat, does anyone think that perhaps that had something to do with it? When Trump was shot in the ear, and the internet became flooded with people enraged because the gunman missed, does anyone think perhaps that had something to do with this impressionable young kid assassinating someone because he had the audacity of sitting down with people who disagreed with him and have conversations?
 
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Makes everyone wonder where society went wrong for this troubled young kid. If I may address the elephant in the room. Society failed him by convincing him that any speech he didnt like was hate speech and violence was an acceptable response. Does anyone think for a second that perhaps celebrities holding bloodied heads resembling Donald Trump had anything to do with this? Does anyone think that perhaps a sitting president calling half the country "the greatest threat to democracy" had anything to do with it? When you had mobs of people throwing milkshakes and attacking people, some even punching elderly people for wearing a MAGA hat, does anyone think that perhaps that had something to do with it? When Trump was shot in the ear, and the internet became flooded with people enraged because the gunman missed, does anyone think perhaps that had something to do with this impressionable young kid assassinating someone because he had the audacity of sitting down with people who disagreed with him and have conversations?
'The troubled young kid' is how I viewed him and why I don't want him to be executed. It would be easier on his Dad too, although it might not be right to take that into account when sentencing him. This is not to take anything away from the horror and distress being felt by Kirk's family. The only good thing, in this terrible situation, is that Charlie knew Jesus so is now in Heaven. It's very hard on his wife and family though, but hopefully that knowledge will bring some comfort.
 
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'The troubled young kid' is how I viewed him and why I don't want him to be executed. It would be easier on his Dad too, although it might not be right to take that into account when sentencing him. This is not to take anything away from the horror and distress being felt by Kirk's family. The only good thing, in this terrible situation, is that Charlie knew Jesus so is now in Heaven. It's very hard on his wife and family though, but hopefully that knowledge will bring some comfort.
I agree. The death penalty are for the most violent criminals who cannot be rehabilitated back into society. But it will take years to undo all the damage.
 
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