Liberal media accused of covering up Ukrainian girl's brutal murder in Dem-led city as video explodes online

[iluvatar5150]

oh that's nice - "this small woman only got smacked a few times" no big deal

even if that were true, the total lack of empathy from the passengers is chilling. she is in terror.

My point is that I’m not convinced yet that the other people really knew what was going on.

If anybody wants to DM me a link to a seedy site with the full, unedited front view, I’ll take a look.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

My point is that I’m not convinced yet that the other people really knew what was going on.

If anybody wants to DM me a link to a seedy site with the full, unedited front view, I’ll take a look.

Yeah, you run into a lot of crazy people on public transit, and you quickly learn that the best thing to do for your own safety and sanity is to not engage in any way. And even if we assume that people did recognize what was happening, I think it's perfectly understandable that no one would be rushing to grab a guy with a knife who literally just showed he was willing to use it. I know that doesn't fit into the macho hero image that so many Americans (especially men) like to project upon themselves, but that's reality. There's a reason why it's notable when someone does intervene in a situation like this.

 

[lifepsyop]

Yeah, you run into a lot of crazy people on public transit, and you quickly learn that the best thing to do for your own safety and sanity is to not engage in any way. And even if we assume that people did recognize what was happening, I think it's perfectly understandable that no one would be rushing to grab a guy with a knife who literally just showed he was willing to use it.

nope, that's not it.

of course everyone understands the idea of being afraid of a maniac.

it's the image of this girl who was clearly just attacked, emoting pure terror, then slumping over onto the floor. the attacker has long since left the vicinity, and still nobody is rushing to check on her, or even looks the slightest bit concerned. she just lies there as people around her continue to sit there looking bored.

you're seeing something in this video that you don't know how to process.

it's like that subway video from a few months back where a woman is standing there burning alive - and again, people are just calmly walking by like nothing is happening at all. they don't look even a little bit interested or concerned.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

My point is that I’m not convinced yet that the other people really knew what was going on.

If anybody wants to DM me a link to a seedy site with the full, unedited front view, I’ll take a look.

As I made reference to my most recent post, for those who had the stomach to sit through the full extended video.

There did become a point where everyone clearly had to know what was going on. She was falling over, and her pants were spattered with blood, and there was growing pool of blood on the floor.

And then the guy walked up to the other part of the tram carrying a bloody knife that was dripping all over the floor, took his shirt off, and started mumbling incoherently, and that went on for minutes.

I think when you see a crumpled over body on the floor with what appears to be involuntary arm twitching, and a 3 foot wide pool of blood, and a weird guy pacing, mumbling, and carrying around a bloody knife that's dripping, I don't think it exactly takes Sherlock Holmes to unravel that mystery.

Some people continue to play with their phones, and a few got up and simply moved to other seats, but didn't appear to be terribly alarmed. The one guy seemed to be more concerned about not getting blood on his shoes.

Facebook at several accounts that have posted the full video returned with the search "Ukrainian woman stabbing" will bring you the results of the event, and the 3-5 minutes afterwards, unfortunately there's not a YouTube link that will have it, because they seem to be quickly taking it down almost immediately after people try to upload it.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

There did become a point where everyone clearly did know what was going on. She was falling over, and her pants were spattered with blood, and there was growing pool of blood on the floor,

In my experience, the default state of people on public transit is "studiously ignoring all other people in the bus". They might notice that she's falling over, but the default assumption is going to be that she's probably just drunk or high. There's a puddle on the floor, but no one wants to look at it closely to figure out if it's blood or pee or water or coffee or vomit.

And sometimes people just go into shock and aren't able to fully process what's going on.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In my experience, the default state of people on public transit is "studiously ignoring all other people in the bus". They might notice that she's falling over, but the default assumption is going to be that she's probably just drunk or high. There's a puddle on the floor, but no one wants to look at it closely to figure out if it's blood or pee or water or coffee or vomit.

But I think some of those assumptions would go away when they saw this though...

A guy carrying around a knife that's leaving a blood trail has to be pretty hard to confuse for something else.

 

[iluvatar5150]

As I made reference to my most recent post, for those who had the stomach to sit through the full extended video.

There did become a point where everyone clearly had to know what was going on. She was falling over, and her pants were spattered with blood, and there was growing pool of blood on the floor.

And then the guy walked up to the other part of the tram carrying a bloody knife that was dripping all over the floor, took his shirt off, and started mumbling incoherently, and that went on for minutes.

I think when you see a crumpled over body on the floor with what appears to be involuntary arm twitching, and a 3 foot wide pool of blood, and a weird guy pacing, mumbling, and carrying around a bloody knife that's dripping, I don't think it exactly takes Sherlock Holmes to unravel that mystery.

Some people continue to play with their phones, and a few got up and simply moved to other seats, but didn't appear to be terribly alarmed. The one guy seemed to be more concerned about not getting blood on his shoes.

Facebook at several accounts that have posted the full video returned with the search "Ukrainian woman stabbing" will bring you the results of the event, and the 3-5 minutes afterwards, unfortunately there's not a YouTube link that will have it, because they seem to be quickly taking it down almost immediately after people try to upload it.

Took me longer than I expected and I probably nuked my, up-until-now-mostly-wholesome algorithm feed, but I found it. What I see are a few people who look like they don't know what to do. The lady on the left in the red shirt looks like she's freaking out a bit and the guy further back with dreads also looks like he doesn't know what to do. I can see an argument that they need a slap in the back of the head, but they're clearly not unconcerned.

 

[NxNW]

?!

Do you have a doctor's diagnosis?

 

[NxNW]

Then provide evidence it was Bezos’ decision.

He's the owner.

Why is they're current stance to not endorse Biden not also there previous stance if it was Bezos decision as you claim?

You'll have to ask Bezos why he changed his mind. Brush up on the various spellings of their/there/they're while you're at it.

So far you haven’t provided any facts, only speculation.

I explained it to you but I can't understand it for you.

His performance at his last presidential debate with Trump thoroughly debunks your claim.

Only a doctor's diagnosis can debunk it.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

But I think some of those assumptions would go away when they saw this though...

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A guy carrying around a knife that's leaving a blood trail has to be pretty hard to confuse for something else.

Thus the part of my post that you conveniently clipped out.

 

[johansen]

Do you have a doctor's diagnosis?

Did you spend any time with your aging elders on this earth?

The decline was obvious

 

[Hans Blaster]

Why?

Would a Daniel Penny/Jordan Neely comparison be more apropos?

I don't know who those people are, nor do I care.

As far as that being the "normal response"... They were not "cowering in fear" as you describe, something tells me that people haven't watched the whole video.

They flinched away. That's exactly what people do when threatened by a mad man being aggressive or violent.

I have watched none of the video and have no intention to watch any of it. I am commenting on you "comparison".

The older lady with cane obviously has a reason for not intervening, but I see see three men in that area the tram who don't appear to be infirmed, and don't appear to be terribly alarmed with what they saw. Including her, she got her bag, and appeared to be pretty calm when she left.

And not sure if you've seen the whole video, there appears to be a brief reaction to the sudden outburst, but they all get up while she's crying an starting to slump over (after the stabber had already walked to the other part of the tram, and start calmly leaving, looking very disinterested with what they saw. In the extended cut, where it shows the other part of the tram following the incident, the one dude just sits there and keeps playing on his cell phone, another gets up, and then moves to another seat, and appears to be looking down, more concerned about not accidentally stepping in the blood drippings coming off the knife.

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There were easily 10 men on that tram, not a single one made any effort to get the guy with the knife, and not a single one went over to try to help put compression on the wound or attend to her.

 

[Hans Blaster]

yea you know that's not true.

Don't call me a liar.

one guy jumps up and backs away for a moment, but the people around her generally look bored, and don't make any motions to help her or even look like they care at all.

to say they are "all clearly cowering in fear" is totally false. honestly, I think this video is telling you something about your worldview that you are not prepared to face.

I was given two pictures to compare and contrast. I compared them.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Thus the part of my post that you conveniently clipped out.

Which part, the only other thing in your post was
And sometimes people just go into shock and aren't able to fully process what's going on.

While that could've applied to a few of them, the dude calmly getting up to move to another seat and treading gingerly to make sure not to get blood on his shoes didn't appear to be shock... I guess shock can present itself in different ways, but to think that was happening with all those men I saw in the entirety of the video would be a bit of a long shot.

If the assailant was armed with a gun, then I may be more inclined to go with that viewpoint.

But to suggest that around a dozen men (a few of them looking like there were pretty sturdy) being petrified of one guy armed only with a knife doesn't add up.


There have been recent instances where people step up (especially when the numbers are in their favor)

Video shows good Samaritans stop assault on Brooklyn subway platform

Police say bystanders came to a woman's rescue after she was assaulted on a subway platform in Brooklyn.

www.cbsnews.com

A man who was in possession of a weapon and trying to take a woman got tackled and held down by 5 men.

Here's a story with some similarities to the one being discussed

https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article309394105.html

And there's also the "Florida man" way of dealing with crazy people swinging knives (although I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea)

 

[ThatRobGuy]

They flinched away. That's exactly what people do when threatened by a mad man being aggressive or violent.

I have watched none of the video and have no intention to watch any of it.

They flinched for all of a split second, and then some casually left tram, and others got up and moved to different seats.

If you haven't watched the full video, then you're not really in any position to label my comparison or analysis as "disgusting" like you did earlier. You're basing your assessment of events on a single still shot of what occurred without seeing what happened afterwards.

 

[NxNW]

Did you spend any time with your aging elders on this earth?

Only a doctor can make a determination regarding mental capacity. No other opinions or observations are relevant.

The decline was obvious

Either produce the diagnosis or admit you're a layman with zero authority to speak on these matters.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You’re right, missed that part. Democrats are notoriously soft on crime.

I'm not a Democrat, though that is where my votes tend to go; the problem with "hard on crime" is that--given the history in America--this almost always means a two-tiered system that results in the over-incarceration of minorities, tends to slap the wrist of perpetrators who are wealthy (and white), which ignores underlying social issues; and rejects prison reform.

I think people who commit heinous crimes, regardless of their status or race, ought to have the book thrown at them. There are deeply disturbed people who do horrible things, and it is a matter of public safety to keep them off the streets.

But we have a notoriously broken judicial system in which, over the years, I've personally seen cases where criminals who, if they wear a badge, don't face serious consequences for their actions; where non-violent offenders receive the full weight of prosecution (especially if they are poor and non-white); and where wealthy violent perpetrators (especially if white) seemingly get away with a wag of the finger.

"Hard on crime" and "soft on crime" rhetoric rarely seems to address any meaningful issues of justice, criminal prosecution, prison reform, or fixing our court system.

As I said near the beginning of this post, those who commit heinous crimes should have the book thrown at them. If you were to ask most left-leaning people,, they are going to tell you the same thing. Almost nobody is going to say they want a violent and unstable person who is an active threat to the public walking around--we have families, we have friends, we have places of employment, we don't want to see people get killed or be killed.

But what we do, typically, want is to see justice carried out. There is no good reason why a black kid from the inner city who sold marijuana should be locked up for decades while a rich white college kid who commits rape gets a "don't do it again" and a pat on the back. And pointing that out isn't being "soft on crime". Nor is it being "soft on crime" to point out that people who are mentally unwell should be getting medical treatment, and if they are a danger to themselves or others, they should be isolated from the general public for their own--and others--well being. Nor is it soft on crime to say that we should address underlying social issues; or to argue that our institution of policing is severely broken.

I want to live in a society where consequences are measured; where having wealth and thus access to the best lawyers and attorneys doesn't give one an undue advantage, where those who are poor have to get bottom of the barrel scraps and underpaid and apathetic public defenders. I want to see a society where justice is treasured--not merely punitive justice that punishes the perpetrator, but justice that restores wrongs and sets things rights. No system will ever be perfect, but we can still pursue better.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[MrMoe]

I can't seem to find unedited video of the stabbing from the camera that faces down the aisle (and shows the rest of the passengers); I can only find the one aimed at the door that shows the victim and the attacker. What strikes me is that she doesn't react much at first - no screaming, just cowering. I also don't see any blood on her right side (i.e. the side facing everybody else) before she slumps over. I can see how somebody would think, at first, that he just smacked her a few times.

The man that stands up after the killer would have easily seen the blood trail on the floor, and it would have been obvious that something was wrong once she slumped over while holding her neck. Yet no one sitting around her came to her aid.

 

[MrMoe]

He's the owner.

Already know that. What I want to know is what proof do you have that it was Bezos that made the decision to not endorse Biden.

You'll have to ask Bezos why he changed his mind. Brush up on the various spellings of their/there/they're while you're at it.

How do you know he changed his mind? Were you at the meetings?

I explained it to you but I can't understand it for you.

Flawed logic isn’t meant to be understood, it’s meant to be dismissed.

Only a doctor's diagnosis can debunk it.

Wrong. Just like old age, mental decline can be seen by the average person. Especially for someone like Biden who’s been in the public eye for decades.

 

[rjs330]

Only a doctor's diagnosis can debunk it.

Rhat is such baloney. A dictors diagnosis can confirm or debunk something observed by others. But mental decline CAN be and is often observed way before a doctor gi especially an official diagnosis. If you dont think people can't see thar for themselves you don't live in the real world.