Liberal media accused of covering up Ukrainian girl's brutal murder in Dem-led city as video explodes online

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What does the law say? I highly doubt the court has the power force people into care just willy nilly. I don't remember from this thread if the call was a felony or a misdemeanor case, but I doubt the court has the power to do that unless there was violance in THIS case. They can't convict or do something solely based on previous cases, it has to be relevant to what's in front of them at the moment.

His own mother petitioned to commit him and said he was violent!

 

[7thKeeper]

His own mother petitioned to commit him and said he was violent!

That didn't answer any of the questions in my post. And was there any information on when and where she did that? It wasn't in the original article as far as I saw looking through it again.

 

[rjs330]

I never made the claim that is was. I’m saying it’s a possible motive.

We have now learned that he said "I got that white girl, I got that white girl."

So.it sure sounds like a race component.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That didn't answer any of the questions in my post. And was there any information on when and where she did that? It wasn't in the original article as far as I saw looking through it again.

He has a SERIOUS mental disorder and has been violent in the past...nothing else needs to be said...past crimes can and do influence a judges decision...

 

[iluvatar5150]

He has a SERIOUS mental disorder and has been violent in the past...nothing else needs to be said...

"Nothing else needs to be said"? lol ok buddy.

 

[7thKeeper]

He has a SERIOUS mental disorder and has been violent in the past...nothing else needs to be said...past crimes can and do influence a judges decision...

Yes it does. Do you even understand how laws and justice system work? A judge can't just willy nilly throw people into facilities against their will. And since you didn't answer the question about where this was said, I'll take that as you not knowing either.
I'm guessing a few things would need to have come true for him to be put into a mental institute against his will.
1: The crime he'd committed for which he was before the judge had to have been violent and shown clear mental health issues. The call unfortunately isn't a serious enough offense for that. It also renders the second point moot after that.
2. The mother would have needed to be at the court to advocate for this. Probably not a necessary part, but a helpful one. We don't seem to currently know this, because you didn't know and didn't say anything.

Yes, judges can look at past offenses when deciding on the punishment for an offense and have it affect on how strong they come down on somene. They still aren't allowed to go against the law when doing so and the punishment needs to abide by what can be given for the actual offense they are in court for. That's what you don't seem to understand.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes it does. Do you even understand how laws and justice system work? A judge can't just willy nilly throw people into facilities against their will. And since you didn't answer the question about where this was said, I'll take that as you not knowing either.
I'm guessing a few things would need to have come true for him to be put into a mental institute against his will.
1: The crime he'd committed for which he was before the judge had to have been violent and shown clear mental health issues. The call unfortunately isn't a serious enough offense for that. It also renders the second point moot after that.
2. The mother would have needed to be at the court to advocate for this. Probably not a necessary part, but a helpful one. We don't seem to currently know this, because you didn't know and didn't say anything.

Yes, judges can look at past offenses when deciding on the punishment for an offense and have it affect on how strong they come down on somene. They still aren't allowed to go against the law when doing so and the punishment needs to abide by what can be given for the actual offense they are in court for. That's what you don't seem to understand.

If he was deemed a danger to himself and/or others he could be. He said he was hearing voices. His own mother asked for him to be committed.

 

[7thKeeper]

If he was deemed a danger to himself and/or others he could be. He said he was hearing voices. His own mother asked for him to be committed.

Yeah, and those things unfortunately by themselves aren't enough. It's a pretty high bar that needs to be crossed. And again, where did she ask that?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That video was harder to watch than the Kirk video... at least he went quick.

Poor girl gets stabbed, looks very confused, and then sees how much she's bleeding, and begins weeping because she can feel herself bleeding out while cowards sit around and do nothing.

This is the still shot of her crying, scared, realizing she's bleeding out and that her time is coming to a close if nobody helps soon, and then they all get up and bail, leaving her alone as she slowly loses consciousness and slumps over.

If the surveillance footage would've looked like this, there'd be rioting in the streets and half of Charlotte would've ransacked just like Minneapolis was after George Floyd.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don’t disagree. I guess my question is why don’t white people feel the same way about one of their own being killed like this? Why don’t we see mass protests in the streets over this death? She deserves outrage over her unjust killing just like anyone else.

I'm pretty sure people are just as disgusted by this as people were about seeing that happen to George Floyd.

But there's a few key differences... mass protests (especially ones drawn down social justice lines) are a "young person's game", we know which political side young people lean more towards, so narrative alignment becomes a major factor in estimating the likelihood of a mass protest breaking out over a wrongful death.

The other is a difference in tactics based on perceptions of the level of governance that a problem is stemming from.

When the left observes a problem, they're far more likely to attribute it to a broader, much more sweeping injustice that's infiltrated our institutions from top to bottom "so we need to radically change the entire system" (which justifies a massive protest on paper), as where the right is more likely to employ hyper-specificity, in going after a specific person who engaged in something they see as problematic.

When Derek Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck for minutes and he died, it was framed in the broader context of "policing in America"
When a Judge opts to release a person from the inner city with a violent history and they commit violence again, conservatives will specifically target that particular judge or that particular aspect of criminal law.

Put more simply, the left's objections are geared towards "legal system as a whole" as where conservative objections are more of "this particular implementation style of law"

Both of those approaches (without some Ying/Yang and room for situational nuance) are problematic.

 

[Pommer]

That video was harder to watch than the Kirk video... at least he went quick.

Poor girl gets stabbed, looks very confused, and then sees how much she's bleeding, and begins weeping because she can feel herself bleeding out while cowards sit around and do nothing.

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This is the still shot of her crying, scared, realizing she's bleeding out and that her time is coming to a close if nobody helps soon, and then they all get up and bail, leaving her alone as she slowly loses consciousness and slumps over.

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If the surveillance footage would've looked like this, there'd be rioting in the streets and half of Charlotte would've ransacked just like Minneapolis was after George Floyd.

Why deal with the news as it happens and comes to us?
Why not argue over something that hasn’t happened and had to use AI to bring into “existence”?

Maybe one side is more vocal about random injustices?
Who’s “fault” is that?

 

[NxNW]

I’m sure you have documentation of him instructing them not to endorse Biden that you’ll share to prove your claim.

It was his decision.

By the way, WaPo endorsed Biden in 2020, when Jeff Bezos was also in control. Why didn’t Bezos instruct them not to endorse Biden then?

We're talking about WaPo's current stance.

Based on what information?

The facts I've already discussed.

Yet they didn’t endorse him. Maybe the reason these two news outlets didn’t endorse Biden was because they saw the obvious mental decline that many others were seeing and didn’t think he was fit for a second term.

Biden had no mental decline.

 

[johansen]

Biden had no mental decline.

?!

 

[Hans Blaster]

That video was harder to watch than the Kirk video... at least he went quick.

Poor girl gets stabbed, looks very confused, and then sees how much she's bleeding, and begins weeping because she can feel herself bleeding out while cowards sit around and do nothing.

View attachment 369860

This is the still shot of her crying, scared, realizing she's bleeding out and that her time is coming to a close if nobody helps soon, and then they all get up and bail, leaving her alone as she slowly loses consciousness and slumps over.

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If the surveillance footage would've looked like this, there'd be rioting in the streets and half of Charlotte would've ransacked just like Minneapolis was after George Floyd.

I find this post rather disgusting, Rob.

There is a serious difference between the original still and your race-inverted alternative. In the original the bystanders are all clearly cowering in fear, trying to get as far as they can from the madman with the weapon. (It isn't a great bit of self protection, but it is a normal response.) In the race-inverted constructed image, the bystanders are just sitting there calmly watching like it is a show and they have nothing to fear.

(And as to invoking the murder Derek Chauvin committed, there is a key non-racial difference between the two -- Chauvin committed murder under color of law.)

There is no need to wallow in the race-baiting of the RW media like the Daily Mail.

 

[MrMoe]

It was his decision.

Then provide evidence it was Bezos’ decision.

We're talking about WaPo's current stance.

Why is they're current stance to not endorse Biden not also there previous stance if it was Bezos decision as you claim?

The facts I've already discussed.

So far you haven’t provided any facts, only speculation.

Biden had no mental decline.

His performance at his last presidential debate with Trump thoroughly debunks your claim.

 

[MrMoe]

I find this post rather disgusting, Rob.

There is a serious difference between the original still and your race-inverted alternative. In the original the bystanders are all clearly cowering in fear, trying to get as far as they can from the madman with the weapon. (It isn't a great bit of self protection, but it is a normal response.) In the race-inverted constructed image, the bystanders are just sitting there calmly watching like it is a show and they have nothing to fear.

(And as to invoking the murder Derek Chauvin committed, there is a key non-racial difference between the two -- Chauvin committed murder under color of law.)

There is no need to wallow in the race-baiting of the RW media like the Daily Mail.

This is a very poor attempt at gaslighting. In the original video the bystanders don’t cower in fear since the killer immediately gets up and walks away after stabbing the girl. They remain seated and act like nothing happened, while the girl is in shock. She then slumps to the floor and none of those passengers seated near her come to her aid.

 

[iluvatar5150]

This is a very poor attempt at gaslighting. In the original video the bystanders don’t cower in fear since the killer immediately gets up and walks away after stabbing the girl. They remain seated and act like nothing happened, while the girl is in shock. She then slumps to the floor and none of those passengers seated near her come to her aid.

I can't seem to find unedited video of the stabbing from the camera that faces down the aisle (and shows the rest of the passengers); I can only find the one aimed at the door that shows the victim and the attacker. What strikes me is that she doesn't react much at first - no screaming, just cowering. I also don't see any blood on her right side (i.e. the side facing everybody else) before she slumps over. I can see how somebody would think, at first, that he just smacked her a few times.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I find this post rather disgusting, Rob.

There is a serious difference between the original still and your race-inverted alternative. In the original the bystanders are all clearly cowering in fear, trying to get as far as they can from the madman with the weapon. (It isn't a great bit of self protection, but it is a normal response.) In the race-inverted constructed image, the bystanders are just sitting there calmly watching like it is a show and they have nothing to fear.

(And as to invoking the murder Derek Chauvin committed, there is a key non-racial difference between the two -- Chauvin committed murder under color of law.)

Why?

Would a Daniel Penny/Jordan Neely comparison be more apropos?

As far as that being the "normal response"... They were not "cowering in fear" as you describe, something tells me that people haven't watched the whole video.

The older lady with cane obviously has a reason for not intervening, but I see see three men in that area the tram who don't appear to be infirmed, and don't appear to be terribly alarmed with what they saw. Including her, she got her bag, and appeared to be pretty calm when she left.

And not sure if you've seen the whole video, there appears to be a brief reaction to the sudden outburst, but they all get up while she's crying an starting to slump over (after the stabber had already walked to the other part of the tram, and start calmly leaving, looking very disinterested with what they saw. In the extended cut, where it shows the other part of the tram following the incident, the one dude just sits there and keeps playing on his cell phone, another gets up, and then moves to another seat, and appears to be looking down, more concerned about not accidentally stepping in the blood drippings coming off the knife.

There were easily 10 men on that tram, not a single one made any effort to get the guy with the knife, and not a single one went over to try to help put compression on the wound or attend to her.

 

[lifepsyop]

There is a serious difference between the original still and your race-inverted alternative. In the original the bystanders are all clearly cowering in fear, trying to get as far as they can from the madman with the weapon. (It isn't a great bit of self protection, but it is a normal response.) In the race-inverted constructed image, the bystanders are just sitting there calmly watching like it is a show and they have nothing to fear.

yea you know that's not true.

one guy jumps up and backs away for a moment, but the people around her generally look bored, and don't make any motions to help her or even look like they care at all.

to say they are "all clearly cowering in fear" is totally false. honestly, I think this video is telling you something about your worldview that you are not prepared to face.

 

[lifepsyop]

What strikes me is that she doesn't react much at first - no screaming, just cowering. I also don't see any blood on her right side (i.e. the side facing everybody else) before she slumps over. I can see how somebody would think, at first, that he just smacked her a few times.

oh that's nice - "this small woman only got smacked a few times" no big deal

even if that were true, the total lack of empathy from the passengers is chilling. she is in terror.