Faith

[HIM]

No doubt. Not sure how that relates to my post, however.

Really?
It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. Without Him we can do nothing. But with Him all things are possible. For in Him we live, move and have our being. Christ in us, us in Him that the world might believe.

 

[fhansen]

Really?
It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. Without Him we can do nothing. But with Him all things are possible. For in Him we live, move and have our being. Christ in us, us in Him that the world might believe.

That’s fine. But maybe you could just explain how that relates to my post. I don't mean to be dull but either way, yes, apart from Him we can do nothing and with Him all things are possible. He can break through our stubborn hearts- and even this world around us-replete with both good and evil- is structured so as to impress upon us our need, our lack, when the Master's effectively gone away. Humanity is a very needy group and we're here to realize just how deprived and depraved we are-apart from Him. Adam sought complete autonomy. What do we lose with that?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Sanctification is a "cover" word for the obedience resulting from salvation (Ro 6:16, 19), the lack of which obedience demonstrates the lack of salvation.

What do you mean “ lack of salvation”? The term “lack of salvation” raises the question of whether an individual is saved or not, or justified in the eyes of God or not. It also prompts consideration of whether salvation is granted as a gift or as a reward. Is salvation is something earned through a lifetime of faithfulness, or we receive it upon acceptance of Christ?

 

[HIM]

What do you mean “ lack of salvation”? The term “lack of salvation” raises the question of whether an individual is saved or not, or justified in the eyes of God or not. It also prompts consideration of whether salvation is granted as a gift or as a reward. Is salvation is something earned through a lifetime of faithfulness, or we receive it upon acceptance of Christ?

Salvation is release from the bondage of sin through Christ now and eternal life in Heaven after Jesus comes. If one is not taking part of the life in Christ now, they will not have the one through eternity then.

 

[HIM]

That’s fine. But maybe you could just explain how that relates to my post. I don't mean to be dull but either way, yes, apart from Him we can do nothing and with Him all things are possible. He can break through our stubborn hearts- and even this world around us-replete with both good and evil- is structured so as to impress upon us our need, our lack, when the Master's effectively gone away. Humanity is a very needy group and we're here to realize just how deprived and depraved we are-apart from Him. Adam sought complete autonomy. What do we lose with that?

You did not mention it

 

[Clare73]

What do you mean “ lack of salvation”? The term “lack of salvation” raises the question of whether an individual is saved or not, or justified in the eyes of God or not. It also prompts consideration of whether salvation is granted as a gift or as a reward. Is salvation is something earned through a lifetime of faithfulness, or we receive it upon acceptance of Christ?

Salvation is the result of faith through regeneration, which new birth is by sovereign (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) choice of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5).

One can think he is saved when he is not (Mt 7:22-23). . .true faith has fruit, counerfeit faith does not.

Regeneration (Jn 3:3-5), the cause of faith and salvation, is not a reward, it is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit based on nothing but his sovereign will to do so (Jn 3:6-8).

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Salvation is the result of faith through regeneration, which new birth is by sovereign (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) choice of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5).

One can think he is saved when he is not (Mt 7:22-23). . .true faith has fruit, counerfeit faith does not.

Regeneration (Jn 3:3-5), the cause of faith and salvation, is not a reward, it is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit based on nothing but his sovereign will to do so (Jn 3:6-8).

Ok, I see what you are saying and agree with you. Genuine repentance and faith lead to regeneration and the receive salvation, whereas false confession and insincere faith do not result in regeneration, so the individual is not saved.

 

[Clare73]

Ok, I see what you are saying and agree with you. Genuine repentance and faith lead to regeneration

Well, actually. . .faith and repentane are the result of regeneration (being born again), they are not the cause of it.
Until we are born again, we are spiritually dead and, therefore, spiritually blind, deaf and dumb, and cannot believe.

We have to be born again to even see (apprehend) the kingdom of God (Jn 3:3-5) in order to believe in it.

and the receive salvation, whereas false confession and insincere faith do not result in regeneration, so the individual is not saved.

Nothing we do results in regeneration, for we are spritually dead and can do nothing spiritual (see, believe, obey). . .it is only by the Holy Spirit's sovereign (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) choice to do so that we are born again (Jn 3:3-5).

 

[Soyeong]

In Romans 10:10 is the clause, "For with the heart man believeth unto (INTO in the Greek) righteousness" connected to verse s 6-8 where it states, Faith speaks on this wise, say not in our heart bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But says, The Word is in our heart and in our mouth. That is the word of faith in which we preach.
And is this the faith that establishes the Law (3:31)and the faith that the Just live by? (1:17)

In Romans 10:5-10, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God’s law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are submitting to by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead for salvation. So yes, this is the faith that upholds God’s law and we are justified by.