Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

[Colo Millz]

And what do you propose we do about people with evil in their hearts?

Pray for them and for God's mercy.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Why would he have thought he was exempt?

I don't know. I'm pondering if he thought so or not. According to his quote, it has to happen to someone. I find it difficult to believe he had himself on mind as the one to be sacrificed when he said it. Stranger things have happened though.

 

[Delvianna]

As Christians we are called to love everyone, even our enemies. Spewing hate isn't biblical. If you don't like Kirk fine, but God called us to act above the way the world acts. Pray for his family anyway as we are supposed to do.

 

[Michie]

He died. Leaving behind a wife and two children. Lord have mercy.

Conservative activist Charlie Kirk dies after being shot at Utah college event

Charlie Kirk, the CEO and co-founder of the conservative youth organization Turning Point USA, has died after being shot Wednesday at a Utah college event, President Donald Trump says.

apnews.com

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

The leftist propaganda is waaaay more hateful than anything the right says.

Not really. I seen a lot of hateful things from the right and left. Both sides can extreme.

 

[Vambram]

I guess you must have missed this one.


idk... saying that birth control makes women bitter and angry, and then Democrats sure seems like it would count.


Your president used as campaign fodder conspiracy theories about a bunch of poor, legal immigrants eating pets.

He built his first campaign on spreading racist conspiracy theories about Obama.

Your post is filled with more hateful attacks against a great Christian man.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Pray for them and for God's mercy.

Not really my style but I’m sure he’s getting plenty of prayers regardless. If only we had more to offer than prayers, he might still be with us to continue with his work of owning the libs.

 

[MrMoe]

This is so sad. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk.

 

[Tinker Grey]

If only we had more to offer than prayers

Well, you could also offer thoughts ...

 

[Tropical Wilds]

It's a very weird comment you made. Are you pondering whether he thought he was impervious to bullets like Superman, or what?

I think it’s a general ruminating on if he had known one of the people sacrificed on the altar of the second amendment as an “acceptable loss” was him, if he’d felt the same. Traditionally people say such things as a vague abstract and now with the benefit of hindsight, the comments stick out a bit.

I’ve often wondered the same thing on threads of school shootings, if the adults who don’t want gun control had kids not coming home that night thanks to a school shooting, would their views change.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The leftist propaganda is waaaay more hateful than anything the right says.

I would add some context to that... because I don't think that's an entirely fair portrayal.

Simply saying more hateful (in a blanket sense) doesn't provide the correct nuance to the nature of the situation.

"Who's said the most extreme vile hateful thing"
vs.
"Who's expressed hateful sentiments that, while not as extreme, have incorporated the largest number of people and viewed those sentiments as socially acceptable"

...that's two different things.

I would say the extreme right is worse on the former, a portion of the left is worse for the latter.

It becomes a concentration vs. overall quantity situation.

For instance, a statement saying "Demographic XYZ needs to be exterminated", that's an extreme right-wing thing in the majority of cases.

However, if you hear someone expressing the sentiment similar to "if you don't vote support universal healthcare, that means you just hate poor people", that's almost always a lefty.

The former is way more extreme, but is less prevalent. The latter is not nearly as extreme, but happens with with a high frequency.


I heard someone once refer to it as the "Heroin vs. Alcohol" dynamic. Alcohol ultimately ends up ruining far more lives in in the long run due to the fact that it's more widely consumed and "socially acceptable", but when heroin ruins a life, it's typically in a very eye-catching/shocking way.

 

[Vambram]

Charlie Kirk dead after shooting at Utah Valley University event, Trump says: Follow live updates

The Turning Point USA cofounder was speaking in front of a large crowd on the campus of Utah Valley University.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Thanks. I deleted my response.

No apology for the comrade remark to me? Noice.

 

[Chesterton]

I think it’s a general ruminating on if he had known one of the people sacrificed on the altar of the second amendment as an “acceptable loss” was him, if he’d felt the same. Traditionally people say such things as a vague abstract and now with the benefit of hindsight, the comments stick out a bit.

I’ve often wondered the same thing on threads of school shootings, if the adults who don’t want gun control had kids not coming home that night thanks to a school shooting, would their views change.

Why would knowing someone who died from a shooting make a difference?

 

[Hvizsgyak]

If the shooter was a Dem, sure.


I agree. And I don't condone any of this. But Charlie Kirk made a lot of money for his part in stirring this pot.

There is a sickness in many Democrats voices that they are trying to promote here in America. I thank God that there are people like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro who stand up against that sickness whether he makes money doing that or not.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I think it’s a general ruminating on if he had known one of the people sacrificed on the altar of the second amendment as an “acceptable loss” was him, if he’d felt the same. Traditionally people say such things as a vague abstract and now with the benefit of hindsight, the comments stick out a bit.

I'm not quite as familiar with him as I am with some other pundits, but I'm guessing he would still stick with the principles. While nobody quite as high profile has (publicly), there have been parents of shooting victims who still express strong 2A sentiments in interviews despite one of their own family members being a victim.

I've seen some posts (here and on social media) suggesting "if we had gun control like country X, that Charlie fought against, this wouldn't have happened to him"

The other side of that coin is if he lived in country X, he probably wouldn't have been able to give the speeches in the first place as the speech police (which in some countries, are the actual police) would've locked him up for it.

 

[Michie]

This thread is very revealing and tragic. SMH

 

[Chesterton]

What I mean is that Charlie Kirk was a profiteering hate monger and, with him, died one little speck of hate.

Can you link to some examples of his hate mongering?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Yeah, I referenced exactly who I wanted to. Don't know why you think I got it wrong. I certainly didn't say "As Charlie Kirk famously quoted "facts don't care about your feelings!" did I?

Okay, so what does Ben Shapiro have to do with this case?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I'm not quite as familiar with him as I am with some other pundits, but I'm guessing he would still stick with the principles. While nobody quite as high profile has (publicly), there have been parents of shooting victims who still express strong 2A sentiments in interviews despite one of their own family members being a victim.

I've seen some posts (here and on social media) suggesting "if we had gun control like country X, that Charlie fought against, this wouldn't have happened to him"

The other side of that coin is if he lived in country X, he probably wouldn't have been able to give the speeches in the first place as the speech police (which in some countries, are the actual police) would've locked him up for it.

I go back and forth.

Part of me says that he would have been glad to die for it, so he lived his principles and died in a way consistent with living his principles, so while not wanting to die, he’d be satisfied that he maintained his ideals to the end.

The other part of me, though, wonders how many of these people are living out personas, not an ethos, and he wouldn’t want to die on behalf of a persona any more than Howard Stern would want to die for his. In that sense, there’s a layer of tragedy that would exist that doesn’t exist in the former scenario.

The death is a tragedy, but I wonder at what scopes and facets.