Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2)

[Vambram]

11 people were killed.

Despite Hegseth claiming “We knew exactly who was in that boat,” the U.S. government has not released the name of all 11 individuals on that boat.

We know that they were members of the narc cartels and that's all I need to know.

 

[Vambram]

That's a "no" then.

Everyone knows these eleven individuals were engaging in narcoterrorism, so no need for evidence, identification, interdiction, trial or such liberal nonsense!

The narco cartels are responsible for the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of Americans. But you want to give them a trial???????

 

[Vambram]

Oh you "must". (in using that word alone,...like there is a COMPULSION to do so, that could be considered bloodlust. The belief that it is a "must")

Why? Because you think that you actually CAN I guess right?
You cannot.
Nobody can and nobody has when acting within the legal framework of your country.


There are a LOT of Americans who don't want to live in a banana republic that seeks to emulate Central and Southern American government styles.

There are 300 million Americans who are sick and tired of hundreds thousands of Americans being killed by the narco cartels.

 

[Landon Caeli]

There are a LOT of Americans who don't want to live in a banana republic that seeks to emulate Central and Southern American government styles.

...They can begin then by resisting the cartels. That will make them less like Central and Southern American government styles.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Yes, that's correct @essentialsaltes. Dont look so suprised..! The cartels are responsible for all the addictions and deaths of the American citizens, by providing knowingly addictive substances. They know *exactly* what they're doing, and they know what their products do to people. The consumer is the victim.

...Especially when it's known that the mentally ill tend to self medicate, statistically.

Self-Medication of Mental Health Problems: New Evidence from a National Survey - PMC Self-Medication of Mental Health Problems: New Evidence from a National Survey - PMC

 

[Landon Caeli]

Imagine making profits by destroying all that's left that was good, of the lives of handicapped individuals? Preying on the most vulnerable of all..? It's disgusting.

Execute all fentanyl smugglers..

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

As a point of information, Venezuela is not a significant source of fentanyl.

Is Venezuela Flooding the U.S. With Drugs? Here’s What to Know.​

Venezuela plays virtually no role in the fentanyl trade.​

Fentanyl is almost entirely produced in Mexico with chemicals imported from China, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, the Justice Department and the Congressional Research Service. Mexico is close to the U.S. market, and Mexican cartels already control many fentanyl smuggling routes.​

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There is no proof that it is manufactured or trafficked from Venezuela or anywhere else in South America.​

While U.S. cocaine sometimes shows traces of fentanyl, according to the D.E.A. and academic studies, experts say any mixing would happen in Mexico or inside the United States, not in South America.​

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If this true. Trump started trouble with another country. For no reason at all. But Im sure the Fox news channel will make Trump look innocent.

 

[Landon Caeli]

If this true. Trump started trouble with another country. For no reason at all. But Im sure the Fox news channel will make Trump look innocent.

Do you really care? It's not like Venezuela can do anything about it

 

[RDKirk]

Executive Order 12333 prohibits assassinations, providing that “No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.” Under executive branch legal doctrine, “assassination” is understood to include the targeted killing of individuals. (The Uniform Code of Military Justice also of course criminalizes murder.)

Executive Orders come and Executive Orders go.

By the will of the Executive. You can't charge a sitting president for disobeying an Executive Order. And a sitting president won't prosecute a subordinate for disobeying the EO of a previous president that the sitting president disagrees with.

And there's nothing Congress can do about a president who ignores the EO of a previous president.

The president is not under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ, and the Supreme Court has given him unprecedented qualified immunity.

 

[Lukaris]

Back in the 80s, America traded guns for drugs (thanks, Ollie!) for the Iran-Contra wars. Perhaps America is directly responsible for the creation of the Salvadorian gangs and increased drug use in the US.

accidental double quote

Back in the 80s, America traded guns for drugs (thanks, Ollie!) for the Iran-Contra wars. Perhaps America is directly responsible for the creation of the Salvadorian gangs and increased drug use in the US.

It seems like players in Iran & Venezuela narco connection are a result ( of many) from the old post WW 2 order America was partly sucked into. We let the Shah of Iran fall. France actively supported Khomeini. The US had a role in drugs & illegal immigration etc. All stuff that Trump genuinely opposes with his America 1st outlook which the perpetual Cold War wing preserves as the US decays, illegal immigration prospers, Islamic terrorism thrives etc.

Trump’s overall outlook is actually ok but some of his strategy seems dangerous but so is the status quo that he wants to replace.

 

[RDKirk]

It's exactly what the people who voted for Trump wanted to happen, so that was a feckless warning.

Make no mistake: The United States has gotten precisely the government that the majority in the US wanted.

I'd disagree in your description then. Not sure if you've noticed that people have things to say about this. And quite a few people did, in fact, NOT vote for this.

And the margin of victory was so small that to constantly harp about some kind of "nature of government" changing mandate, seems like a laughably desperate attempt to shut down debate (not to say you're making that one here though).

Incorrect.
What "the majority of voters voted" for.

I am NOT convinced (and given Trump's approval rating, i'd wager it's correct) that "the majority in the US" necessarily wanted this.

There's been quite a few leopard's eating faces stories coming out. So certainly quite a few immigrant families weren't interested. Also doesn't appear he (or his policies) are SUPER popular with independents. Though maybe i'm missing other data.

I disagree. I think there are people who voted for Trump who do not want our military committing murder on the high seas.

America voted for Trump in 2016 as well as a Republican Congress. That gave Trump the opportunity to put more conservatives on the Court, both the Supreme Court and federal district courts.

Americans continued to vote Republicans into office and kept the government red enough to put the country into the situation it is now.

The United States has the government the people voted for.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes, that's correct @essentialsaltes. Dont look so suprised..! The cartels are responsible for all the addictions and deaths of the American citizens, by providing knowingly addictive substances. They know *exactly* what they're doing, and they know what their products do to people. The consumer is the victim.

Awesome (emphasis added). I can't wait for the drone strike that takes out the Sackler family.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Do you really care? It's not like Venezuela can do anything about it

Yes, God's people should care. If Trump committed a terrorist act on Venezuela. American people look bad. Our military look bad. And so do the Christians. Since the people, that voted for Trump. They Claims to be Christians. Trump just basically had Americans do a terrorist act on Venezuela. Just like Osama Bin Laden did on 911. I'm sure other countries are noticing this.

 

[Vambram]

Yes, God's people should care. If Trump committed a terrorist act on Venezuela. American people look bad. Our military look bad. And so do the Christians. Since the people, that voted for Trump. They Claims to be Christians. Trump just basically had Americans do a terrorist act on Venezuela. Just like Osama Bin Laden did on 911. I'm sure other countries are noticing this.

America did NOT committ a terrorist act against Venezuela. What America did is destroy a boat with cartel members that was carrying illegal drugs meant to kill Americans. This is justice and self defense.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I see the words alleged, which means no proof .

 

[rjs330]

And so you look upon it with derision?

Why? Those executive are killing INNOCENT Americans.

That executive didn't do anything to kill anyone. Who did he kill? Yet he was murdered and the liberals cheered the cold blooded killer on.

Drug addicts CHOOSE to put that nonsense in their veins. You seem to suggest that the killing of "innocents" is an important factor on taking action.

These guys are preying on the vulnerable who are addicted. Giving them more and more addictive highs. They are evil through and through. Have you no compassion for those who are victims of these people? You have MORE compassion for those evil men? Good grief.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

We know that they were members of the narc cartels and that's all I need to know.

No, we don't actually know that. The government has said that they were, but the government (especially the current administration) has been known to lie and stretch the truth when it suits its aims. And how is anyone going to disprove their claims?

The narco cartels are responsible for the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of Americans. But you want to give them a trial???????

Yeah. I'm a big believer in the Constitution. Aren't you? I'm also a believer in government accountability. If there's a trial, then We the People can see the evidence and hear any defense that the accused make, and know, once the verdict is rendered, whether the accused truly are guilty of the charges. If the government can just unilaterally declare people to be terrorists or drug traffickers and summarily execute them, how are we to know the truth? All we'll ever get is the government's side of the story. Didn't you and the rest of the Trump supporters on this site just spend the last 4 years harping on about how the government was unjustly charging people with crimes?

 

[Landon Caeli]

No, we don't actually know that. The government has said that they were, but the government (especially the current administration) has been known to lie and stretch the truth when it suits its aims. And how is anyone going to disprove their claims?

Well, if 11 people were killed, what about their families? What about their government? Has anyone at all said anything otherwise? Im sure if they weren't up to no good, someone would have come to their defense by now.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Awesome (emphasis added). I can't wait for the drone strike that takes out the Sackler family.

The Sacklers have been put in their place, and lessons were learned.

...With the narco-terrorists, nobody has taught them anything. No lessons have been learned. The time for these things is now.

 

[rjs330]

Does a government prevent you from drinking? Cheating on your wife? Slandering fellow Christians? Those are evils.

Those are evils. And so are narco terrorist drug dealers. So is Al Qaeda so is Isis and so are serial killers. Our government should be protecting us from them. These men are PURE EVIL, they are the people who have no regard for life and will rape, murder and cut rhe heads off if people who wont bow to their evil ways.