the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

[apollosdtr]

Are you personally offended by the idea that you share ancestry with someone from Africa?

Are you confused into thinking that all of Africa was dark?

North Africa was home to the white Libyans... Petrie called them Tahennu or Tamahu

Racial photographs from the Egyptian monuments​

https://archive.org/details/photograph00petr_0/page/n29/mode/2up?q=Tamahu

And the Amorites are The White Race of Palestine, says Sayce.

The White Race of Palestine : A. H. SAYCE : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

This paper is in the public domain in USA. Metadata comes from the CrossRef API, see full record in the source URL below.

archive.org

That said, I believe the Cro-Magnons of France are the progenitors of indigenous Western Europeans.
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Yep... the titles of both books contain the word RACE.

 

[apollosdtr]

And again... nothing in there backs up what you said, especially in this context: "The Greeks took the Pelasgian lands, along with their history and religion... same thing happened to the Hurrians under their Mittani overlords... and the Silurians under the Celts."

Mitanni was a Hurrian state, a Hurrian kingdom, not a group that replaced the Hurrians. They were Hurrians. Your grasp on history is just horribly, though admit that I expect no less from an American pagan.

I would expect no more from someone who bases his beliefs on Wikipedia.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Are you confused into thinking that all of Africa was dark?

North Africa was home to the white Libyans... Petrie called them Tahennu or Tamahu

Racial photographs from the Egyptian monuments​

https://archive.org/details/photograph00petr_0/page/n29/mode/2up?q=Tamahu

And the Amorites are The White Race of Palestine, says Sayce.

The White Race of Palestine : A. H. SAYCE : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

This paper is in the public domain in USA. Metadata comes from the CrossRef API, see full record in the source URL below.

archive.org

That said, I believe the Cro-Magnons of France are the progenitors of indigenous Western Europeans.
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Yep... the titles of both books contain the word RACE.

Wow, a source from the 1800s using the term race! Not shocking in the slightest. Though your first link returns an "item not found" message so you might want to check that.

So let's have you actually answer my question: Are you personally offended by the idea that you share ancestry with someone from Africa?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I would expect no more from someone who bases his beliefs on Wikipedia.

Don't get into a huff because your claim was easily shown to be demonstrably wrong.

 

[apollosdtr]

And again... nothing in there backs up what you said, especially in this context: "The Greeks took the Pelasgian lands, along with their history and religion... same thing happened to the Hurrians under their Mittani overlords... and the Silurians under the Celts."

Mitanni was a Hurrian state, a Hurrian kingdom, not a group that replaced the Hurrians. They were Hurrians. Your grasp on history is just horribly, though admit that I expect no less from an American pagan.

"One of these kingdoms, Mitanni, which, as we have seen, employed the Hurrian language for diplomatic correspondence, was ruled by a dynasty of whose names have an Aryan etymology, and Indian such as Indra and Varuna, figure prominently in its pantheon. It is thus clear that in Mitanni a population of Hurrians was dominated by a ruling caste of Indo-Aryans."
--A. Sayce, The Hittites : the story of a forgotten empire

The Hittites : the story of a forgotten empire : Sayce, A. H. (Archibald Henry), 1845-1933 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

149 pages : 19 cm

archive.org

Surprising that the collective intelligence at wikipedia missed this connection, isn't it? People really do see what they want to see...

 

[The Barbarian]

culture is an atmosphere and a heritage... who said it? Back in the day, lots of tests showed the racial divides from blood-type to height and build to coloring and character, etc. ad nauseam.

Sorry, the human genome has been completely sequenced and it shows that there is more variation within any race you might define, than there is between races. There are no biological human races. Race is a cultural construct.

 

[The Barbarian]

That said, I believe the Cro-Magnons of France are the progenitors of indigenous Western Europeans.

Ironically, Northwestern Europeans have a substantial amount of Neanderthal genes.

 

[apollosdtr]

So let's have you actually answer my question: Are you personally offended by the idea that you share ancestry with someone from Africa?

North Africa was home to the white Libyans... Petrie called them Tahennu or Tamahu

Racial photographs from the Egyptian monuments​

https://archive.org/details/photograph00petr_0/page/n29/mode/2up?q=Tamahu

That said, I believe the Cro-Magnons of France are the progenitors of indigenous Western Europeans.

I am Western European.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

"One of these kingdoms, Mitanni, which, as we have seen, employed the Hurrian language for diplomatic correspondence, was ruled by a dynasty of whose names have an Aryan etymology, and Indian such as Indra and Varuna, figure prominently in its pantheon. It is thus clear that in Mitanni a population of Hurrians was dominated by a ruling caste of Indo-Aryans."
--A. Sayce, The Hittites : the story of a forgotten empire

The Hittites : the story of a forgotten empire : Sayce, A. H. (Archibald Henry), 1845-1933 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

149 pages : 19 cm

archive.org

Surprising that the collective intelligence at wikipedia missed this connection, isn't it? People really do see what they want to see...

Maybe because more information has been learned since the fricking 1800s.
Using outdated texts does nothing for your case except throw your own words back at you. You only see what you want to see, that much is very clear.

 

[The Barbarian]

Wrong. The Human Genome Project debunked that notion finally and absolutely.

When scientists unveiled the first draft of the Human Genome Project 25 years ago, it seemed to deliver the final word on some antiquated myths about race. It provided definitive evidence that racial groupings have no biological basis. In fact, there is more genetic variation within racial groups than between them. Race, it showed, is a social construct.

Are they part of the old "Out of Africa" mentality?

That was much earlier. We are talking about anatomically modern humans. The other races and species of human no longer exist, although many humans have genes from Neanderthals, Denisovans, and one as of yet unidentified group. But there is only one race of humans alive today.

Give me half a minute, and I can find a dozen "finally and absolutely" debunkers of the debunked...

Sounds interesting. What do you have? Checkable sources?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I am Western European.

You've still not answered my question:
Are you personally offended by the idea that you share ancestry with someone from Africa?

 

[apollosdtr]

Ironically, Northwestern Europeans have a substantial amount of Neanderthal genes.

Since most of the gene studies seem to be based on personal memories of ancestors of the people now living in any given area... well, call me sceptical of the validity of the results.

 

[The Barbarian]

Which only means that proselytizing happened very early on...

No. It was gradual intermarriage. The Jewish religion was not one inclined to proselytize. How can we be sure?
Adherents to the Jewish faith have resided in numerous geographic locations over the course of three millennia. Progressively more detailed population genetic analysis carried out independently by multiple research groups over the past two decades has revealed a pattern for the population genetic architecture of contemporary Jews descendant from globally dispersed Diaspora communities. This pattern is consistent with a major, but variable component of shared Near East ancestry, together with variable degrees of admixture and introgression from the corresponding host Diaspora populations. By combining analysis of monoallelic markers with recent genome-wide variation analysis of simple tandem repeats, copy number variations, and single-nucleotide polymorphisms at high density, it has been possible to determine the relative contribution of sex-specific migration and introgression to map founder events and to suggest demographic histories corresponding to western and eastern Diaspora migrations, as well as subsequent microevolutionary events.

The population genetics of the Jewish people - PMC

Adherents to the Jewish faith have resided in numerous geographic locations over the course of three millennia. Progressively more detailed population genetic analysis carried out independently by multiple research groups over the past two decades ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They have become genetically more like the populations in which they live, but there remains a set of genes showing an ancient Middle Eastern origin.

 

[apollosdtr]

Don't get into a huff because your claim was easily shown to be demonstrably wrong.

Back atcha.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Back atcha.

You've done nothing of the sort. You've made claims and tried to support them with outdated science that has since been superceded with actual evidence, that is all you've done and continue to do.

 

[The Barbarian]

Since most of the gene studies seem to be based on personal memories of ancestors of the people now living in any given area

I don't think you know what "genes" are, if you think it's based on "personal memories."

And there is this...

In 1903, researchers excavating a cave in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset, in the UK, stumbled upon a surprising discovery. A Homo sapien skeleton who lived around 10,000 years ago and is one of the oldest modern humans in Britain. Known today as “Cheddar Man,” the ancient gentleman has recently made the news again. Scientists utilizing modern DNA techniques believe the Mesolithic human had light blue eyes and a dark complexion. As remarkable as resurrecting the face of this ancient Briton is the fact that Cheddar Man's modern-day descendant lives less than a mile from the caves where his remains lay for millennia.

10,000-Year-Old Skeleton Found in Britain Has a Modern-Day Descendant Living Close By

“It seems that pale eyes entered Europe long before pale skin or blond hair, which didn't come along until after the arrival of farming.”

mymodernmet.com

It appears that each wave of Indo-Europeans into Western Europe were relatively few, assuming control of a more ancient population.

 

[apollosdtr]

No. It was gradual intermarriage. The Jewish religion was not one inclined to proselytize. How can we be sure?
Adherents to the Jewish faith have resided in numerous geographic locations over the course of three millennia. Progressively more detailed population genetic analysis carried out independently by multiple research groups over the past two decades has revealed a pattern for the population genetic architecture of contemporary Jews descendant from globally dispersed Diaspora communities. This pattern is consistent with a major, but variable component of shared Near East ancestry, together with variable degrees of admixture and introgression from the corresponding host Diaspora populations. By combining analysis of monoallelic markers with recent genome-wide variation analysis of simple tandem repeats, copy number variations, and single-nucleotide polymorphisms at high density, it has been possible to determine the relative contribution of sex-specific migration and introgression to map founder events and to suggest demographic histories corresponding to western and eastern Diaspora migrations, as well as subsequent microevolutionary events.

The population genetics of the Jewish people - PMC

Adherents to the Jewish faith have resided in numerous geographic locations over the course of three millennia. Progressively more detailed population genetic analysis carried out independently by multiple research groups over the past two decades ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They have become genetically more like the populations in which they live, but there remains a set of genes showing an ancient Middle Eastern origin.

Amorites and Hitittes and Palestinians et al were also of "ancient Middle Eastern origin". How are we able to know who was who without running the risk of making the classical mistake of misnaming the archological layers... think Hittite/Hatti and Schliemann...

Almost anything can be "proved" if you "search" long enough. What do you WANT to believe? is the real question.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Almost anything can be "proved" if you "search" long enough. What do you WANT to believe? is the real question.

Oh the irony of you making this comment...

 

[apollosdtr]

You've done nothing of the sort. You've made claims and tried to support them with outdated science that has since been superceded with actual evidence, that is all you've done and continue to do.

Outdated science superceded with "actual evidence"... as given by a handful of wikipedia writers and rewriters? Do you think for yourself at all? How else but by the Sayce quote do you explain the Aryan etymology and Aryan gods showing up in Hurrian lands? Look, I read all this from several people who published in journals... not just armchair wikipedia folks who nitpick each other into compliance... have you ever read one of their writing pages? If so, I don't know how you can fling poo at a Christian man like Sayce when he tells you what he found.

I sincerely wish you had been sincere when you said you were done with me, and I said back that I doubted it. Because you bear all the earmarks of someone just argueing to argue.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Since most of the gene studies seem to be based on personal memories of ancestors of the people now living in any given area... well, call me sceptical of the validity of the results.

That is one component (modern populations). Another component is DNA samples from archeological remains of earlier peoples in Europe. The funny thing about those studies is that the Cro Magnon people had very little to do with the later population of Europe. (To put it another way. They were replaced by new migrants. It is the various waves of later migrants that are the dominant genetic sources of modern Europeans.)