Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

[eclipsenow]

If you oft repeated ‘NPD ‘ is the level of truth for you, well….. good luck with that

It's not my truth - I'm not a mental health expert.
It's the truth - which is not defined by you or I - but by those who count.

As in, the over 230 mental health experts who signed that letter!
They have decades and thousands of hours of video footage to analyse.

Ironically, because people with NPD are such pathological liars - psychiatrists say it can take quite a few sessions for them to pick what is really going on. They say it's harder in their clinic to pick what is really going on than it is with a few videos in public. These guys have access to thousands of hours of video footage across decades.

They know what he is. Why don't you? Didn't you know he had NPD when you voted for him?

And you STILL have not given your meaningless numbers any context.

 

[rjs330]

California is going to try and gerrymander? They've never done that. What? California is pure as the driven snow in this area. They would never do such a thing. Texas drove rhem to it! Why if it weren't for Texas California would be the least gerrymandered state in the history of the US. Everyone would be represented accurately.

Democrats-we love CA and live how they have gerrymandered the state to favor the Democrats.

Texas is going to gerrymander? WAAAAAA! How dare they! We are the mighty Democrats and the only ones allowed to do it because we have done it fair in California! Oh wait... Well it doesn't matter, we are just going to make it less fair than it already is cause we can. WAAAAAA Texas is so unfair!

 

[eclipsenow]

California is going to try and gerrymander? They've never done that. What? California is pure as the driven snow in this area. They would never do such a thing. Texas drove rhem to it! Why if it weren't for Texas California would be the least gerrymandered state in the history of the US. Everyone would be represented accurately.

Democrats-we love CA and live how they have gerrymandered the state to favor the Democrats.

Texas is going to gerrymander? WAAAAAA! How dare they! We are the mighty Democrats and the only ones allowed to do it because we have done it fair in California! Oh wait... Well it doesn't matter, we are just going to make it less fair than it already is cause we can. WAAAAAA Texas is so unfair!

I think you got it the wrong way around.
If it helps - Fox is not a news corporation, in that they promote extreme biased and low-quality propaganda.
Try AP - they'll help you realise what order things actually happened in.

 

[rjs330]

I think you got it the wrong way around.
If it helps - Fox is not a news corporation, in that they promote extreme biased and low-quality propaganda.
Try AP - they'll help you realise what order things actually happened in.

You listen a lot of Fox News do ya?

CA has gerrymandered for a very long time. So much so that the voters decided they wanted an independent committee for it. Not that it helped much. Now Newsome wants to go back to the old days before the committee.

WAAAAA because Texas is gerrymandering now. Hey only CA is allowed to do that because they are the Democrats.

 

[eclipsenow]

You listen a lot of Fox News do ya?

Ewww - what a horrible concept! Fox are a joke, and just repeat whatever Tump says because.... ratings!
They're following the money - which is a very Trump thing to do - no matter how unethical that money is.
BTW - they were fined $787 million in damages for repeating Trump's "Big Lie" and specifically in attacking the Dominion Voting Machines.
The Media Bias group rate Fox a "Questionable Source." - with "Mixed" Quality reporting (NOT GOOD!) and skewing FAR-RIGHT.

CA has gerrymandered for a very long time.

I'm Australian. I would not know unless forced to read about it in conversations like this. Thank you for informing me.

So much so that the voters decided they wanted an independent committee for it.

As I have said up the thread a bit - Australia's only 124 years old - and yet ALL our States have independent electoral commissions that do this objectively - and are constitutionally confined by mathematical formula to do with shifts in the population. It's a basic foundation for a valid democracy - and America is already rated poorly in terms of democratic decline. This is a contributing factor.

It's one of the reasons The Economist rates the USA as a Flawed Democracy - and Australia as a FULL Democracy. There are a number of other metrics - but independent, objective, constitutionally protected civil service like an empowered electoral commission is one of them.

Factually.co says:-

1. Summary of the results​

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Based on the analyses provided, the United States is consistently ranked 28th globally and classified as a "flawed democracy" according to the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index [1]. The US democracy score remained unchanged in 2024, maintaining its position in the "flawed democracy" category rather than achieving "full democracy" status [2] [1]. The global context reveals a concerning trend: the global democracy score hit an all-time low in 2024, with democratic decline and strengthening authoritarianism continuing worldwide [2]. According to 2023 data, only 7.8% of the world's population resides in a "full democracy," while more than one-third lives under authoritarian rule [3]. Despite some positive developments in 2024, the US continues to face significant democratic challenges including low trust in media and institutions, political gridlock, and sharp inequalities [2]. Domestically, three-quarters of Americans believe democracy is under serious threat, according to an NPR/PBS News/Marist poll [4].

Fact Check: How has the US democracy been ranked globally in recen...

Based on the analyses provided, the United States is consistently ranked 28th globally and classified as a "flawed democracy" according to the Economist In...

factually.co

Wikipedia lists some of the factors. Any sound familiar?​

Manifestations​

Democratic backsliding occurs when essential components of democracy are threatened. Examples of democratic backsliding include:[20][21]​

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• Free and fair elections are degraded;[20]
• Liberal rights of freedom of speech, press[22] and association decline, impairing the ability of the political opposition to challenge the government, hold it to account, and propose alternatives to the current regime;[20][22]
• The rule of law (i.e., judicial and bureaucratic restraints on the government) is weakened,[20] such as when the independence of the judiciary is threatened, or when civil service tenure protections are weakened or eliminated.[23]
• An over-emphasis on national security as response to acts of terrorism or perceived antagonists.[23]
• Democratic backsliding - Wikipedia

Not that it helped much.

Oh really? Actual, objective evidence for that statement?
By what source? When did they measure it?

Now Newsome wants to go back to the old days before the committee.

No - Newsom doesn't want to have to do this!
He's only doing it because he is trying to stop Trump's NPD and "Project 2025" marching towards Autocracy.
This is a very dangerous time in America.
Why can't you see it?

 

[Always in His Presence]

As in, the over 230 mental health experts who signed that letter!
They have decades and thousands of hours of video footage to analyse.

230 people who
have not met the President
have never interviewed the President
have never once examined the President personally
have never had access to the President's medical records
have not come within a mile of the President

That type of quackery is not tolerated, accepted nor found viable in any court of law in the US. Now, in Australia - you might be able to get away with that.

But it is just propaganda and no matter how many times you repeat it - it doesn't become fact, nor reality. It is now and forever will be propaganda.

The other side (the one in real life), we have a Medical report from a doctor who has met the President, who did interview the President, who did examine him personally, who does have access to his medical records and who is physically with him on scheduled appointments.

That physician has said the exact opposite of what the 230 long distance supposed doctors say - and the far left doesn't believe him because it disrupts their narrative.

That is the truth, established fact like it or not.

 

[Always in His Presence]

USA as a Flawed Democracy - and Australia as a FULL Democracy

Psst - the US is NOT a Democracy - it is a Constitutional Republic - it really makes your argument look bad and ill-informed if you cannot get the basics correct.

Get your facts straight.

 

[durangodawood]

..... it is a Constitutional Republic -

Thats not so clear anymore.

 

[Always in His Presence]

That not so clear anymore.

Doesn't change the fact that it is.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Psst - the US is NOT a Democracy

Yes it is.

- it is a Constitutional Republic -

A republic is a democracy.

it really makes your argument look bad and ill-informed if you cannot get the basics correct.

Huh.

Get your facts straight.

 

[durangodawood]

Doesn't change the fact that it is.

Constitutional republic was the plan. But we're losing that in favor of an unconstrained executive.

Also, we're a democracy as well in that the ultimate choice of leadership comes from We The People.

 

[Yarddog]

California voters established an independent redistricting commission in 2010 to prevent gerrymandering. Newsom’s plan would override this process temporarily, using a constitutional amendment and a special election scheduled for November 4.​

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Unlike Texas, where the Legislature determines congressional lines, California voters in 2010 gave that power to a bipartisan citizen commission. The commission draws a new map once each decade, after the U.S. Census, to ensure each congressional district has roughly an equal number of people. It last did so in 2021.​

The Governor want to remove that power from the voters and place it under his authority - a direct move against the Democratic Process.

Newsom is proposing to temporarily override the commission and create districts more favorable to Democrats until after the 2030 Census. That requires going to the voters for their approval.
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Sure looks like a direct attack on the Democratic process to make political appointment without voters consent.

A Politico poll found that nearly two-thirds of California voters prefer retaining the state’s independent redistricting commission over returning authority to the Legislature to draw congressional lines.

Newsom is going to the people to change the policy. He has done nothing to harm Democracy.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Psst - the US is NOT a Democracy - it is a Constitutional Republic - it really makes your argument look bad and ill-informed if you cannot get the basics correct.

Get your facts straight.

If the US is not a democracy, then why would it matter if, as you claim, Newsom "pushed back against democracy"? You can't have it both ways.

 

[DaisyDay]

WOW! you went from not know what we were talking about to and expert in less than a day - amazing.

Feel free to stop trying - your view of America from 16,000 miles away is IMHO very skewed and based on your blog status.

Ad hom, much?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Constitutional republic was the plan. But we're losing that in favor of an unconstrained executive.

Also, we're a democracy as well in that the ultimate choice of leadership comes from We The People.

Constitutional Republic is what it is - as for the 'unconstrained executive swipe - it's getting old - that is what the courts are for - I remember all the applauding when our President is constrained by a court and all the caterwauling when the courts support him.

If the US is not a democracy, then why would it matter if, as you claim, Newsom "pushed back against democracy"? You can't have it both ways.

WOW! a little civics lesson might help you

In a Constitutional Republic the power is wielded by REPRESENTATIVES - they are democratically voted on and put in place to - ready - REPRESENT them, their needs - their views - Do I really need to explain that.

If you have a State where 44% of the voters have NO REPRESENTATION - that is not equitable - This whole thing began because the Democrats in Texas did not want to loose REPRESENTATION in loosing five seats - but they completely are supporting Democratic run states that offer ZERO representation to 44% of the voting citizens.

How is that equitable and anything other than a power grab?

The good Governor - by HIS OWN admission is seeking to alter what the voters already voted and agreed upon for one and only one reason - to influence the mid term elections by gaining more seats for the Democrats - but please - please don't call it election interreference - it's the Democrats doing it, so it is perfectly fine.

Ad hom, much?

Only because I do not know the words - then I have to hum...... I've heard the tune for years

 

[durangodawood]

Constitutional Republic is what it is.....

If you dont like the USA also being a democracy, you should fight for We The People no longer electing the leadership.

 

[DaisyDay]

If you dont like the USA also being a democracy, you should fight for We The People no longer electing the leadership.

Isn't the last vote for Trump that? He promised his lovely Christians that they would never have to vote again. What could he possibly have meant by that?

 

[DaisyDay]

Constitutional Republic is what it is - as for the 'unconstrained executive swipe - it's getting old - that is what the courts are for - I remember all the applauding when our President is constrained by a court and all the caterwauling when the courts support him.


WOW! a little civics lesson might help you

In a Constitutional Republic the power is wielded by REPRESENTATIVES - they are democratically voted on and put in place to - ready - REPRESENT them, their needs - their views - Do I really need to explain that.

If you have a State where 44% of the voters have NO REPRESENTATION - that is not equitable - This whole thing began because the Democrats in Texas did not want to loose REPRESENTATION in loosing five seats - but they completely are supporting Democratic run states that offer ZERO representation to 44% of the voting citizens.

How is that equitable and anything other than a power grab?

The good Governor - by HIS OWN admission is seeking to alter what the voters already voted and agreed upon for one and only one reason - to influence the mid term elections by gaining more seats for the Democrats - but please - please don't call it election interreference - it's the Democrats doing it, so it is perfectly fine.

Only because I do not know the words - then I have to hum...... I've heard the tune for years

Some people vote for particular candidates rather than straight line party voting. Should we allow only voting for a party and not for the candidate?

 

[durangodawood]

Isn't the last vote for Trump that? He promised his lovely Christians that they would never have to vote again. What could he possibly have meant by that?

Permanent one party rule would be pretty nice. We could stop all this haggling and just accept what we're given.

 

[DaisyDay]

Permanent one party rule would be pretty nice. We could stop all this haggling and just accept what we're given.

One less thing to stress over!