Jobs report lousy: Trump shoots the messenger

[NxNW]

He got just as much attention when he wasn't president.

False.

How much richer did he become as president?

Hard to verify, since he lied about releasing his tax returns.

See none of those repeated ulterior motives make sense, because he could get the same thing without doing the hardest job on earth at 79.

And what's that, exactly?

He would have gotten just as much attention, ego boosting and a lot more cash if he had gone on speaking tours, which would have cost him one tenth as much time and energy.

Nah, being in the sidelines won't boost his ego.

 

[ozso]

Do try to keep up. I'm asking for evidence it's true.

That snark isn't warranted because it makes no sense to ask me for evidence of that, since I never said it's true or false.

 

[ozso]

False.

He was talked about constantly from 2020 to 2024.

Hard to verify, since he lied about releasing his tax returns.

His net worth from year to year is easy to verify.

And what's that, exactly?

Attention, ego boosting, and money.

Nah, being in the sidelines won't boost his ego.

There's no indication that his ego diminished from 2020 to 2024.

 

[ozso]

That seems to be what you're claiming.

No, that is what you claimed. So once again, where did Trump say he expects loyalty over honesty? Or are you just making that up?

Feel free to clarify what should be the President's priority here.

An equal combination of loyalty and honesty.

 

[perplexed]

He got just as much attention when he wasn't president. How much richer did he become as president? See none of those repeated ulterior motives make sense, because he could get the same thing without doing the hardest job on earth at 79.

He would have gotten just as much attention, ego boosting and a lot more cash if he had gone on speaking tours, which would have cost him one tenth as much time and energy.

??? He would be absolutely dominating the news if he was not president?

 

[ozso]

??? He would be absolutely dominating the news if he was not president?

Based on the amount of coverage he got in between being 45 and 47, I'd say that's affirmative.

 

[The Barbarian]

No. For example, in previous administrations, the Justice Department had no personal loyalty to the president. The concept is they are supposed to be loyal to the Constitution. It's why Comey was so disturbed when Trump asked him to be personally loyal to him.

Comey who sabotaged Hillary's campaign according to Hillary.

MAGA people never get it. His loyalty to the law was the point. It's not "if he's not personally loyal to Trump, he must be personally loyal to Hillary."

 

[The Barbarian]

You're still asking for evidence of Trump's stated reason for firing McEntarfer?

It's not close to the largest revision by percentage. This happened in 2020 with Trump's appointee during the Biden administration. Biden, of course, didn't throw a public tantrum on social media, accuse Trump of plotting against him, or fire the director.

For reason everyone understands.

 

[NxNW]

He was talked about constantly from 2020 to 2024.

He was also not president before 2016, and wasn't talked about nearly as much.

His net worth from year to year is easy to verify.

False, because he won't provide data.

Attention, ego boosting, and money.

There's no indication that his ego diminished from 2020 to 2024.

On that we agree.

 

[The Barbarian]

Based on the amount of coverage he got in between being 45 and 47, I'd say that's affirmative.

Well, he was the first president to be found in court to have sexually assaulted a woman. He is the first president to be a convicted felon. And only the second president to have been suspected in the Epstein pedophilia scandal.

So rather newsworthy. We didn't know as many details about his activities with Epstein then, but his appointment of the prosecutor who gave Epstein a slap on the wrist for sexually abusing children to Labor Secretary did give us a hint of what was to come.

 

[ozso]

No. For example, in previous administrations, the Justice Department had no personal loyalty to the president. The concept is they are supposed to be loyal to the Constitution. It's why Comey was so disturbed when Trump asked him to be personally loyal to him.


MAGA people never get it. His loyalty to the law was the point. It's not "if he's not personally loyal to Trump, he must be personally loyal to Hillary."

It's not that. It's the way he goofed things up, he's not particularly reliable.

 

[ozso]

Well, he was the first president to be found in court to have sexually assaulted a woman. He is the first president to be a convicted felon. And only the second president to have been suspected in the Epstein pedophilia scandal.

So rather newsworthy. We didn't know as many details about his activities with Epstein then, but his appointment of the prosecutor who gave Epstein a slap on the wrist for sexually abusing children to Labor Secretary did give us a hint of what was to come.

Epstein Epstein Epstein.

 

[The Barbarian]

Where did Trump say he expects loyalty over honesty? Or are you just making that up?

During his attempts to pressure Raffensperger into changing the election results, Trump said, "I just want to find 11,780 votes", the minimum number needed to overcome Biden's advantage in Georgia. Trump also tried to intimidate Raffensperger, hinting that Raffensperger and his attorney could face a possible criminal investigation.

Trump–Raffensperger phone call - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's not how a president talks to an official of his own party; that's how an organized crime boss talks to an underling. Raffensperger, to his credit, was not intimidated. He recorded Trump's attempt to fix the election, and released the recording.

 

[The Barbarian]

Epstein Epstein Epstein.

You were mentioning why he's in the news so much. There you are. First president suspected to be a pedophile. Not proven at this point, and he deserves the benefit of a doubt. But given his history, it's not surprising that people think he is. We can discuss that again, if you like.

A week after the Justice Department and the FBI effectively closed the investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein by releasing no new files and concluding that he died by suicide in his jail cell, 17 percent of voters say they approve of the way the Trump Administration is handling the Jeffrey Epstein files, while 63 percent of voters disapprove, and 20 percent did not offer an opinion, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

63% Of Voters Disapprove Of The Trump Administration's Handling Of The Jeffrey Epstein Files, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly Half Of Voters Would Consider Joining A Third Party, Just Not One Created By Elon Musk | Quinnipiac Univer

“Epstein has been dead and gone for years but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.

poll.qu.edu

Would you ever have believed that eleven percent of a sitting president's own party would think that he is a pedophile, with less than a third of all Americans thinking that he isn't? Of course this is newsworthy.

 

[ozso]

During his attempts to pressure Raffensperger into changing the election results, Trump said, "I just want to find 11,780 votes", the minimum number needed to overcome Biden's advantage in Georgia. Trump also tried to intimidate Raffensperger, hinting that Raffensperger and his attorney could face a possible criminal investigation.

Trump–Raffensperger phone call - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's not how a president talks to an official of his own party; that's how an organized crime boss talks to an underling. Raffensperger, to his credit, was not intimidated. He recorded Trump's attempt to fix the election, and released the recording.

That rehash didn't answer the question. But it is interesting how someone so awful, was still preferable to a Democrat.

 

[ozso]

You were mentioning why he's in the news so much. There you are. First president suspected to be a pedophile. Not proven at this point, and he deserves the benefit of a doubt. But given his history, it's not surprising that people think he is. We can discuss that again, if you like.

A week after the Justice Department and the FBI effectively closed the investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein by releasing no new files and concluding that he died by suicide in his jail cell, 17 percent of voters say they approve of the way the Trump Administration is handling the Jeffrey Epstein files, while 63 percent of voters disapprove, and 20 percent did not offer an opinion, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

63% Of Voters Disapprove Of The Trump Administration's Handling Of The Jeffrey Epstein Files, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly Half Of Voters Would Consider Joining A Third Party, Just Not One Created By Elon Musk | Quinnipiac Univer

“Epstein has been dead and gone for years but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.

poll.qu.edu

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Would you ever have believed that eleven percent of a sitting president's own party would think that he is a pedophile, with less than a third of all Americans thinking that he isn't? Of course this is newsworthy.

I didn't mention why he's in the news so much. I just said he'd be in the news just as much if he hadn't run for president in 2024.

After so much Epstein Epstein Epstein, I'm looking forward to it flopping as much as all the hopes pinned on Mueller and Jack Smith did.

 

[The Barbarian]

I didn't mention why he's in the news so much. I just said he'd be in the news just as much if he hadn't run for president in 2024.

After so much Epstein Epstein Epstein, I'm looking forward to it flopping as much as all the hopes pinned on Mueller and Jack Smith did.

No, I don't think so. Mueller's record...

Here's a breakdown of indictments and cases in Mueller's probe

Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses.

abcnews.go.com

Nine major Trump people indicted, convicted, or pleading guilty. Mueller said that he didn't indict Trump because the Justice Department opposed indicting a sitting president. He pointedly said that the investigation did not clear Trump of criminal acts.

It remains true that Trump's reluctance to release even redacted copies of the Epstein files feeds the continuing controversy over what he was doing with Epstein on those trips.

 

[DaisyDay]

He got just as much attention when he wasn't president. How much richer did he become as president? See none of those repeated ulterior motives make sense, because he could get the same thing without doing the hardest job on earth at 79.

He would have gotten just as much attention, ego boosting and a lot more cash if he had gone on speaking tours, which would have cost him one tenth as much time and energy.

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.

www.opensecrets.org

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intelligence-candidates-face-trump-loyalty-tests-washington-post-says-2025-02-09/

Loyalty tests for government jobs are okay when the loyalty is to the United States but horrible when the loyalty is to the president. The goal should be for a less partisan workforce, not one based on party or personal loyalty, which is authoritarian.

 

[The Barbarian]

That rehash didn't answer the question. But it is interesting how someone so awful, was still preferable to a Democrat.

The problem for trump was that Georgians found Biden preferable to him. His attempt to appeal to loyalty to get the Georgia official to fake the election results shows us that he puts loyalty over honesty.

 

[The Barbarian]

No. For example, in previous administrations, the Justice Department had no personal loyalty to the president. The concept is they are supposed to be loyal to the Constitution. It's why Comey was so disturbed when Trump asked him to be personally loyal to him.


MAGA people never get it. His loyalty to the law was the point. It's not "if he's not personally loyal to Trump, he must be personally loyal to Hillary."

It's not that. It's the way he goofed things up,

It's why he lost to Biden. His bungling of the COVID-19 pandemic, for example, killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, according to epidemiologists that studied the pandemic and his response.

he's not particularly reliable.

This is a guy who thinks windmills cause cancer, and believes you need to present ID to buy groceries. "Unreliable" is a kind word for someone with those sorts of delusions.