What is your opinion and experience with women with short hair?

[Kathleen30]

Double standard? This is what women when they dislike something.

When I tell women that I can only be with a virgin. Do you know their first reply, the very first thing that pops in their minds? "If men have such expectations, then they themselves should be virgins". As a means to tear down men of faith. They actually believe I'm some kind of hypocrite when I look for such things. This, and others. This is the difference between faith, and society. In faith, you can only ask for what you already have, or what you have or currently do.

I think the world is made such that it shames everyone, even when they have not committed certain things disallowed by the Word.

Read my other replies on 1 Cor 11:14.

Prudent well you only get to pop the cherry once you know is really such an issue. You actually ask ladies if their virgins ???. About the only other peoples I know who are fanatical about virgins are the Muslim ones and whatever number of virgins they receive in the afterlife

 

[A New Dawn]

And, in your opinion, how does that entail to the abomination written in the bible. Are they doable/undoable, what?

Which abomination are you somehow trying to drag into this discussion?

 

[PloverWing]

Women's hair grows at a much higher pace than men's.

Do you have any reason to believe this to be true?

 

[prudent_commenter]

Which abomination are you somehow trying to drag into this discussion?

Apparel. Hair is part of apparel since it "covers".

 

[PloverWing]

And this is why I dislike such debates. Everyone reads the title, and nothing else.

So, yes, many of the responses (including mine) have focused on the issue of hair length, because that was the focus of your title and your original post.

But as the discussion has developed, it seems that you may actually be more interested in other things besides hair. You've mentioned gender hierarchy in marriage (and in general life?), divorce, sexual orientation, thinking for one's self, wearing jewelry, the ability to classify people into gender categories while looking at their backs, and some other issues.

If your main focus is something besides hair, perhaps you could redirect the conversation for us. I think you have a collection of rules regarding gender roles and expression that you want us all to follow -- am I correct? If so, you could list those rules for us, and then we could discuss them directly, instead of using hair as a proxy for the things you really want to talk about.

 

[prudent_commenter]

Prudent well you only get to pop the cherry once you know is really such an issue. You actually ask ladies if their virgins ???. About the only other peoples I know who are fanatical about virgins are the Muslim ones and whatever number of virgins they receive in the afterlife

First, this isn't the topic of conversation.

Second, I don't date, and I don't make the first step. There are times where they do. So, I tell them I am highly religious. Those that are of faith, know what it means. It is made such that time isn't wasted, straight upfront. There's no point in give hope where there isn't.

Third, this specific case, God cut out the desire for sexual intercourse. And never felt loneliness my entire life. These two are perceived as gifts, and I suspect are to give me freedom from.. whatever the world is doing. This hookup/breakup/neediness, and so forth.

 

[A New Dawn]

Apparel. Hair is part of apparel since it "covers".

That does not mean anything. In the scriptures “abomination” generally refers to an idol that people set up to worship. If that is not what you mean, then at least quote whichever scripture you feels speaks to this. Because I wholly doubt that God was referring to hair or clothing as an abomination.

First, this isn't the topic of conversation.

Second, I don't date, and I don't make the first step. There are times where they do. So, I tell them I am highly religious. Those that are of faith, know what it means. It is made such that time isn't wasted, straight upfront. There's no point in give hope where there isn't.

Third, this specific case, God cut out the desire for sexual intercourse. And never felt loneliness my entire life. These two are perceived as gifts, and I suspect are to give me freedom from.. whatever the world is doing. This hookup/breakup/neediness, and so forth.

IF this is how you really feel, that you were gifted by God to be celibate for Him, then why on earth does any of this matter to you that you should be so judgmental about it?

 

[prudent_commenter]

That does not mean anything. In the scriptures “abomination” generally refers to an idol that people set up to worship. If that is not what you mean, then at least quote whichever scripture you feels speaks to this. Because I wholly doubt that God was referring to hair or clothing as an abomination.

If one gender wears the apparel of another, it is called as such. I as a man, cannot wear the apparel of women; neither a woman can wear a man's apparel.

IF this is how you really feel, that you were gifted by God to be celibate for Him, then why on earth does any of this matter to you that you should be so judgmental about it?

I mentioned this in my replies. Who better to discuss it, other than someone that isn't involved? If I were involved, my opinion would have been influenced.

It matters to me because I care. If I didn't care, I would not have said anything.

 

[Kathleen30]

First, this isn't the topic of conversation.

Second, I don't date, and I don't make the first step. There are times where they do. So, I tell them I am highly religious. Those that are of faith, know what it means. It is made such that time isn't wasted, straight upfront. There's no point in give hope where there isn't.

Third, this specific case, God cut out the desire for sexual intercourse. And never felt loneliness my entire life. These two are perceived as gifts, and I suspect are to give me freedom from.. whatever the world is doing. This hookup/breakup/neediness, and so forth.

Well that maybe so . But it was you that brought the matter up about telling woman that you only date virgins in your post 40. Prudent You say the God cut off all Loneness from you and all sexual desire too. Yu be 37 yu be fully human. It is not good for the man to be alone . No one likes to be alone. No one makes it on their own ❤️ It is late now it be the sleep time . Good night

 

[A New Dawn]

If one gender wears the apparel of another, it is called as such. I as a man, cannot wear the apparel of women; neither a woman can wear a man's apparel.

You saying it means nothing. Show me the scripture where it is condemned as being as bad as idol worship.

I mentioned this in my replies. Who better to discuss it, other than someone that isn't involved? If I were involved, my opinion would have been influenced.

It matters to me because I care. If I didn't care, I would not have said anything.

But why do you care? And furthermore, do you think that people will rally around you with the judgmentalism you are showing. You are hardly coming off as sounding Christ-like, focusing on the shallow things.

 

[prudent_commenter]

Well that maybe so . But it was you that brought the matter up about telling woman that you only date virgins in your post 40. Prudent You say the God cut off all Loneness from you and all sexual desire too. Yu be 37 yu be fully human. It is not good for the man to be alone . No one likes to be alone. No one makes it on their own ❤️ It is late now it be the sleep time . Good night

It depends on what God wants to do.

That verse applies to people that can't handle being alone. The way I interpret it is: if loneliness causes you to think of sin, it is not good. And if, sexual lust increases when alone, it is definitely not good. I take it, this is what God meant when He said that. But, I can handle it. And this is a question between me and God.

 

[Strong in Him]

According to the Etymological Dictionary Of Greek. The translation would be well-groomed hair, rather than simply long-hair.

According to my interlinear Greek NT and Greek dictionary, the word used means "long hair".
If it meant "well-groomed", the verse would read, "does nature not teach you that well-groomed hair on a man is a disgrace?"

I highly doubt God would encourage me to sin.

He wouldn't. But it's not a sin to have long hair.
Unless you insist that 1 Corinthians 11:14 is a command, in which case, you are sinning.

Women's hair grows at a much higher pace than men's.

If you mean that a woman's hair grows faster than a man's does, what evidence have you got of that, and what does it have to do with anything?

Behavioral changes.

What evidence have you got that a woman's behaviour changes according to the length of her hair?
Some women lose their hair completely; some have hair extensions put in to make it instantly longer. How and why do they become different people?

Because they want to take care of it. It's a chore.

Do you mean that they don't want to take care of long hair?
If a woman chooses to grow her hair long, she will be perfectly well aware that she needs to take care of it. Some women have dreadlocks/tight plaits which must takes hours to maintain.

Typically, whatever bad decision a woman takes, society blames it on men. It's part of the current times, of which I loathe.

Nonsense.
If a woman initiates a divorce it is she who has initiated it. The fault for the failure of the marriage will probably be at least 50% the man's; no one is completely blameless in a divorce unless drugs, alcohol or physical violence are involved.
If a woman has an abortion, that is her choice, not the man's - unless she is coerced.
If a woman takes any other "bad" decision, what evidence have you that society will blame the man?

This is my point. A change never comes out of the blue, it stems from something.

It might just be that the person wants a change

By the Word of God, the woman was created second, and was intended as a helper for man.

You make it sound like a derogatory thing.
Order of creation does not denote superiority - dogs were created before humans; are they superior?
The Holy Spirit is our helper - it doesn't mean he is inferior to us or our servant.

The hierarchy formed is God>man>woman.

No.
In the OT there were prophetesses who received God's word and passed it onto men.
In the NT, the Spirit was poured out on men and women, as Joel had prophesied, Acts 2:17-18. We have God living in us just as men do.

Men of faith love whatever nature provided. This is a fact.

There are Christian men who have had tattoos or hair implants, gone to the gym to build up their muscles or dieted to lose weight.
Some men use moisturisers on their skin, shave their heads, have different colours on their hair.
All of that is outward adornment, does not affect their faith and is not a sin if they do/don't do it.

Stop procreating, fight each other, and get tangled in worldly things?

Whether or not a Christian couple want children is a personal matter between them, not a matter of any "agenda" by society.

With short hair, and dressed "unisex", can you tell the difference between a man and a woman? The first thing your eye look at is the face. How about from the back?

Usually, yes - but why does this matter?
Are you saying that you need a woman to have long hair so that, if you are standing behind them, you can instantly judge whether they are women or men?
For what purpose?

Being a woman requires work.

I don't have to work at being a woman, I just am one.

Look the curses brought upon them.

You mean the curse of childbirth given to Eve?
Even that doesn't apply to all women. Some are in labour for only a very short time, others for much longer. Some don't need pain relief, others want everything that's offered.
And some don't want, or can't have, children.

My experience is the opposite. I did nothing with short, as I do nothing with long. And longer is much easier.

Your experience is different from other peoples', including mine. But it is not wise to make a judgement based only on your own experience.

The eyes are always directed to the largest thing before them.

Not necessarily.
If I see people standing in front of a tree/building/Cathedral/Mountain I often look at the people first.
How is that relevant anyway?

I witnessed it. More than once.

That doesn't mean it's always true for all people everywhere - it only means you've witnessed it more than once.

But it grows differently based on gender. This should be a clue.

A clue to what, and how do you know it grows differently according to gender?

This is what I have observed from virginity. When you lose it early in life, you are not capable of comparing what is before the loss, and after.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
The length of someone's hair is not at all connected to when people first decide to have sex.

Similar to this: if you had short hair from childhood, you have nothing to compare it with. You need years to see a difference, and others too.

Nonsense.
Someone's personality is formed very early on - maybe before they even have hair. And personality/character can be formed, or changed but all kinds of things - childhood illnesses, bereavement, being an only child or having siblings of the opposite gender, careless remarks made by adults - eg "you're not as clever as your brother".
The length of someone's hair is not even a factor.

I have because God told to leave it alone.

If God did tell you to leave it alone, that is between you and him - you can't prove it to the rest of us.
And "leave it alone" doesn't necessarily mean "don't get it cut" - you're not Samson.

And the greek word would be well-groomed, as explained in the other reply.

And as I said, in that case the verse would read, "does not the nature of things tell you that if a man has well-groomed hair it is a disgrace to him?"
So 1 Cor 11:14 is saying that it is wrong for a man to be well groomed. By your reasoning, I mean.

And the greek word would be well-groomed, as explained in the other reply. I also said that monks, men of faith, and priests have long-hair and beards, but they are not groomed.

If someone's hair was never groomed, it would never be washed, cut or combed.
How is that any kind of virtue?

 

[prudent_commenter]

You saying it means nothing. Show me the scripture where it is condemned as being as bad as idol worship.

I don't give bible verses because I assume people already know them.

An apparel isn't an idol, as per my understanding on English. Deuteronomy 22:5 pertains to garments, and other things that belong to a gender.

But why do you care? And furthermore, do you think that people will rally around you with the judgmentalism you are showing. You are hardly coming off as sounding Christ-like, focusing on the shallow things.

I don't do things that please the people. I do what is right.

 

[Strong in Him]

I don't give bible verses because I assume people already know them.

Or you can't because they're either not there or don't say what you believe that they say.

 

[A New Dawn]

I don't give bible verses because I assume people already know them.

An apparel isn't an idol, as per my understanding on English. Deuteronomy 22:5 pertains to garments, and other things that belong to a gender.

So you know that back then men wore dresses, too.

 

[prudent_commenter]

According to my interlinear Greek NT and Greek dictionary, the word used means "long hair".
If it meant "well-groomed", the verse would read, "does nature not teach you that well-groomed hair on a man is a disgrace?"

The meaning makes more sense to me. The idea of this is to differentiate men from women. The distinction is very important. It would make logical sense that one is groomed, and other well-groomed.

I'm going to need that book. post a link to it.

He wouldn't. But it's not a sin to have long hair.
Unless you insist that 1 Corinthians 11:14 is a command, in which case, you are sinning.

It is, if you are not distinguishable from a woman. Quote me the verses so that we can end this.

If you mean that a woman's hair grows faster than a man's does, what evidence have you got of that, and what does it have to do with anything?

There were some studies made. It matters because, you have to understand how nature works. Once you know how it works, then you'll know what to do and what not to do.

What evidence have you got that a woman's behaviour changes according to the length of her hair?
Some women lose their hair completely; some have hair extensions put in to make it instantly longer. How and why do they become different people?

The exterior is led by the interior. Whatever happens outside, is already happening on the inside.

To each their own. I would never hide anything. Lying is a sin, and in this case it is concealing.

Do you mean that they don't want to take care of long hair?
If a woman chooses to grow her hair long, she will be perfectly well aware that she needs to take care of it. Some women have dreadlocks/tight plaits which must takes hours to maintain.

It's the radical change from long to short that is problematic. People with long do not make a sudden jump from long to short.

Nonsense.
If a woman initiates a divorce it is she who has initiated it. The fault for the failure of the marriage will probably be at least 50% the man's; no one is completely blameless in a divorce unless drugs, alcohol or physical violence are involved.
If a woman has an abortion, that is her choice, not the man's - unless she is coerced.
If a woman takes any other "bad" decision, what evidence have you that society will blame the man?

Whoever initiates the divorces takes on the entire blame in God's eyes. The marriage is a sacred vow. You break it, the sin is yours. What you legally is besides the point. You break the contract with the state, not with God. If you look at the numbers in the US, you'll notice that women initiates divorces, not men.

If a woman is corrupted into thinking the grass is always greener, it is a very big problem. Which is what is happening. A man rarely is corrupted into this thinking, but women fall for it. (Reminds me of Eve, to think of it).

On abortion is not that simple. A woman cannot give life without the man. The decision is up to the both of them, because one could not have conceived with the other. Two parties were involved in the conception, two parties must be involved in the procedure.

It might just be that the person wants a change

You add, but never demolish.

You make it sound like a derogatory thing.
Order of creation does not denote superiority - dogs were created before humans; are they superior?
The Holy Spirit is our helper - it doesn't mean he is inferior to us or our servant.

Dogs can't think, nor can they speak.

No.
In the OT there were prophetesses who received God's word and passed it onto men.
In the NT, the Spirit was poured out on men and women, as Joel had prophesied, Acts 2:17-18. We have God living in us just as men do.

You are refuting the hierarchy of God?

There are Christian men who have had tattoos or hair implants, gone to the gym to build up their muscles or dieted to lose weight.
Some men use moisturisers on their skin, shave their heads, have different colours on their hair.
All of that is outward adornment, does not affect their faith and is not a sin if they do/don't do it.

It does, it is vanity. What you do in front of others, and for others to take notice of you, is vanity. A christian is not allowed to seduce other Christians, hereby inducing to sin.

Whether or not a Christian couple want children is a personal matter between them, not a matter of any "agenda" by society.

Yes, but they aren't a couple anymore. And since this liberation came, women are now alone, not by choice, and have multiple failed relationships. You picked what suited you.
Politics took over: people fighting for things of which they do not understand, not have notion of their consequences. And they fight each other over idiotic things.

Usually, yes - but why does this matter?
Are you saying that you need a woman to have long hair so that, if you are standing behind them, you can instantly judge whether they are women or men?
For what purpose?

It's sin, that's why.

I don't have to work at being a woman, I just am one.

You misunderstood.

You mean the curse of childbirth given to Eve?
Even that doesn't apply to all women. Some are in labour for only a very short time, others for much longer. Some don't need pain relief, others want everything that's offered.
And some don't want, or can't have, children.

They have been saved from it. It doesn't mean it isn't there.

I am talking about everything related to the reproductive system. Every.. imbalance is a curse. And the susceptibility towards sin, and corruption of men.

Your experience is different from other peoples', including mine. But it is not wise to make a judgement based only on your own experience.

To each his own. It's much easier for me.

Not necessarily.
If I see people standing in front of a tree/building/Cathedral/Mountain I often look at the people first.
How is that relevant anyway?

It's what society is based: diversion of attention.

That doesn't mean it's always true for all people everywhere - it only means you've witnessed it more than once.

Again, to each their own.

A clue to what, and how do you know it grows differently according to gender?

I read some studies.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
The length of someone's hair is not at all connected to when people first decide to have sex.

The comparison of what was before, and what is now.

Nonsense.
Someone's personality is formed very early on - maybe before they even have hair. And personality/character can be formed, or changed but all kinds of things - childhood illnesses, bereavement, being an only child or having siblings of the opposite gender, careless remarks made by adults - eg "you're not as clever as your brother".
The length of someone's hair is not even a factor.

Apples and oranges.

If God did tell you to leave it alone, that is between you and him - you can't prove it to the rest of us.
And "leave it alone" doesn't necessarily mean "don't get it cut" - you're not Samson.

The only reason i posted the reply is because you asked. You didn't need, and you don;t need to know. The fact that you, is because you attacked with it. So, enjoy.

I would tell you more about Samson's life pertaining to mine, but you won;'t know what to do with it.

And as I said, in that case the verse would read, "does not the nature of things tell you that if a man has well-groomed hair it is a disgrace to him?"
So 1 Cor 11:14 is saying that it is wrong for a man to be well groomed. By your reasoning, I mean.

See above.

If someone's hair was never groomed, it would never be washed, cut or combed.
How is that any kind of virtue?

It's well-groomed, and not groomed. Women are well-groomed. Groomed would mean just a wash and a comb.

 

[prudent_commenter]

Or you can't because they're either not there or don't say what you believe that they say.

Fine. Give a list to what I have to give in terms of verses, and you'll have them.

Also, you avoided the verse added. What do you think of it?

 

[prudent_commenter]

So you know that back then men wore dresses, too.

Historically, whatever women have, were created for men first. They wore it first, then they gave it to them, because they deduced it added more value to the woman, which it did.

How is this relevant?

 

[A New Dawn]

Historically, whatever women have, were created for men first. They wore it first, then they gave it to them, because they deduced it added more value to the woman, which it did.

How is this relevant?

I don’t know. You brought it up that men wearing women’s clothes and vice versa was an abomination.

 

[prudent_commenter]

I don’t know. You brought it up that men wearing women’s clothes and vice versa was an abomination.

Yes, it's an abomination according to the bible.

But what you trying to say, does not apply. Because, that verse refers to what belongs to a gender. Even dresses differed back then, and there had always been a distinction between men and women's apparel.