Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

Stop your nonsense and answer the points being put to you.

I wouldn't mind if I had the answers for you.

 

[Strong in Him]

I read Dr David L Cooper quote.

All I can say is that either you're easily led, or you start to consider things that you think might be true, find someone who agrees with your previous beliefs and say "oh good, I needn't believe that now."

It's what happened with Charles Duke's testimony. One minute it's giving you goose bumps and you "hand on heart" believe every word; the next, it's "yay, I'm back on track" and the astronauts are liars.

 

[Strong in Him]

I wouldn't mind if I had the answers for you.

Exactly. You're being asked to explain, or defend, your position and you can't.
"I can't explain it but it's wrong". "I've got no evidence but scientists and everyone else is lying." "I can't get my head around science - but I know the experts are wrong."
And you talk about logic!

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm sure yer all agreeing with each other to gain 'like' points

Rubbish.
I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that so many other Christians here believe, and know, the truth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Exactly. You're being asked to explain, or defend, your position and you can't.

Maybe my next few posts can explain it.

And you talk about logic

Kettle Black

I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that so many other Christians here believe, and know, the truth

No they don't they only think they do.

 

[Strong in Him]

Kettle Black

In what way am I being illogical?
I've said all along that I am not scientific and can't explain things like the earth rotating on its axis. But I have no reason to distrust those who are knowledgeable about such things and/or study them as a hobby.

Your "logic" is "well it looks as though the moon is quite near", or "I can't feel the earth moving (therefore it doesn't"".
I've said before that you seem to depend chiefly on your emotions or what you can observe, and you agreed with me.
The Bible says that we live by faith and not by sight.

 

[Apple Sky]

1 There are huge centuries-old stone sundials and moondials all over the world which still tell the time now down to the minute as perfectly as the day they were made. If the Earth, Sun and Moon were truly subject to the number of contradictory revolving, rotating, wobbling and spiraling motions claimed by modern astronomy, it would be impossible for these monuments to so accurately tell time without constant adjustment.

2 The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government space agencies show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.



3 The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.



4 Olber’s Paradox states that if there were billions of stars which are suns the night sky would be filled completely with light. As Edgar Allen Poe said, Were the succession of stars endless, then the background of the sky would present us a uniform luminosity, since there could exist absolutely no point, in all that background, at which would not exist a star. In fact Olber’s Paradox is no more a paradox than George Airy’s experiment was a failure. Both are actually excellent refutations of the heliocentric spinning ball model.



5 The ball-Earth model claims the Sun is precisely 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times further away from Earth making them falsely appear exactly the same size. Once again, the ball model asks us to accept as coincidence something that cannot be explained other than by natural design. The Sun and the Moon occupy the same amount of space in the sky and have been measured with sextants to be of equal size and equal distance, so claiming otherwise is against our eyes, experience, experiments and common sense.


To be continued

 

[Phil G]

I wouldn't mind if I had the answers for you.

But the fact you don’t have answers means that you’re ignoring the valid points put to you.

For instance, denying the eyewitness testimonies of Christian astronauts is nothing but wilful ignorance.

Add to that the very basic fact that when something is far away from you, such as the moon as it rises if the earth is flat, should appear smaller than it is when it is closer to you, such as the moon when it is high in the sky if the earth is flat. The fact you you see it as bigger when it rises than it is when it’s high in the sky means that it’s not as flat earthers claim.

If you can’t answer these basic facts, except to claim Christian astronauts are lying and ignore your own eyes, then you have no rational reason to continue to claim the earth is flat.

 

[Apple Sky]

But the fact you don’t have answers means that you’re ignoring the valid points put to you.

I'm not ignoring them , I don't understand, what is point your trying to get over to me ?

For instance, denying the eyewitness testimonies of Christian astronauts is nothing but wilful ignorance.

I'm not being willfully ignorant, I just don't believe that man has walked on the moon & never will.

Add to that the very basic fact that when something is far away from you, such as the moon as it rises if the earth is flat, should appear smaller than it is when it is closer to you, such as the moon when it is high in the sky if the earth is flat. The fact you you see it as bigger when it rises than it is when it’s high in the sky means that it’s not as flat earthers claim.

No comprende.

If you can’t answer these basic facts, except to claim Christian astronauts are lying and ignore your own eyes, then you have no rational reason to continue to claim the earth is flat.

Why b/c I can't answer your stupid questions.

 

[Phil G]

1 There are huge centuries-old stone sundials and moondials all over the world which still tell the time now down to the minute as perfectly as the day they were made. If the Earth, Sun and Moon were truly subject to the number of contradictory revolving, rotating, wobbling and spiraling motions claimed by modern astronomy, it would be impossible for these monuments to so accurately tell time without constant adjustment.

Sundials have to be adjusted from time to time. There is no sundial that can be left in situ and still tell time perfectly.

“Sundials measure exactly how the sun travels across the sky, but although this movement is smooth it is not quite regular. The sun will advance slightly and later in the year will slip behind, when compared with the hours on the clock. The reason for this is that the earth’s annual orbit round the sun is oval and the earth’s axis is tilted.”

How a sundial works | Macmillan Hunter Sundials

Sundial and clock hours, the difference between them, earth's orbit, invention of clocks and mean time, the corrections to sundial time for setting a clock.

www.macmillanhunter.co.uk

2 The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government space agencies show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

False. Pilots of high altitude planes see the curvature of the earth.

3 The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

False. Simple parallax measurements, such as the one below, will show that the horizon falls below eye level as altitude increases.

To be continued.

And by the way, you didn’t write this yourself. You just copied and pasted stuff WITHOUT citing your source….as usual!

 

[Phil G]

I'm not ignoring them , I don't understand, what is point your trying to get over to me ?

You are ignoring them because you can’t answer them. Instead of acknowledging them as evidence against flat earth, you just carry on as if they were never put to you.

I'm not being willfully ignorant, I just don't believe that man has walked on the moon & never will

That’s wilful ignorance. Wilfully ignoring clear eyewitness testimony IS wilful ignorance.

No comprende.

What???? What do you not understand about objects looking smaller when they’re further away?

What do you not understand about, if the earth is flat, that the moon is further from you when it’s on the horizon and so should look smaller, not bigger, at moon rise? But your own observation shows you that it looks bigger on the horizon, making a nonsense of flat earth claims.

Why b/c I can't answer your stupid questions.

These are not “stupid questions”. Just because you can’t answer them doesn’t make them stupid. They are questions that need to be answered by you because

1) You are implying that Christian astronauts are liars (and even have called them such) to which you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Just not believing them is not good enough.

2) Your own observation contradicts flat earth.

Start taking responsibility for your accusations and ignorance.

 

[Phil G]

4 Olber’s Paradox states that if there were billions of stars which are suns the night sky would be filled completely with light. As Edgar Allen Poe said, Were the succession of stars endless, then the background of the sky would present us a uniform luminosity, since there could exist absolutely no point, in all that background, at which would not exist a star. In fact Olber’s Paradox is no more a paradox than George Airy’s experiment was a failure. Both are actually excellent refutations of the heliocentric spinning ball model.

"......the key to resolving Olber’s paradox is to examine the assumption of an eternal universe. In the time that Olber’s paradox was discovered, scientists had long assumed that the universe was eternal. In the 20th century the acceptance of the big-bang theory convinced most scientists that the universe had a beginning and hence has a finite age. If the universe is, say, 15 billion years old, then we cannot receive light from anything more distant than 15 billion light years. It is as if we are located at the center of a spherical, finite universe that is 15 billion light years in radius. As far as the amount of light is concerned, it does not matter if the universe is finite or infinite, because we cannot see objects beyond 15 billion light years, a large, but finite distance. Given that the observable universe is finite, our view is not blocked by the surfaces of stars in every direction. In most directions we can see beyond all stars. Thus Olber’s paradox is not a problem in a big-bang universe. The only relevance that Olber’s paradox has today is in the context of an eternal universe, which is still supported by only a few adherents."

Misconceptions About General Relativity, Cosmology, and Big Bang

Just as all ideas have consequences, incorrect ideas can have very bad, or even dangerous, results.

answersingenesis.org

5 The ball-Earth model claims the Sun is precisely 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times further away from Earth making them falsely appear exactly the same size. Once again, the ball model asks us to accept as coincidence something that cannot be explained other than by natural design. The Sun and the Moon occupy the same amount of space in the sky and have been measured with sextants to be of equal size and equal distance, so claiming otherwise is against our eyes, experience, experiments and common sense.

First, Christians who believe that the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 400 times further away from the earth than the moon do NOT claim "coincidence". It is what God created and so is His miracle, not a "coincidence".

Second, sextants do NOT show that the sun and moon to be of equal distance. They only measure their angles of elevation, not their distances.

"A sextant is a doubly reflecting navigation instrument that measures the angular distance between two visible objects. The primary use of a sextant is to measure the angle between an astronomical object and the horizon for the purposes of celestial navigation."

Sextant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

COMMON SENSE

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm not being willfully ignorant,

Maybe wilfully stubborn, then, because there is evidence that men have walked on the moon; you refuse to believe it because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Think about this logically - because you claim that you accept, and practice, logic.
If no one has walked on the moon, thousands of people are involved in a conspiracy/mass lie.
Those who claimed they were building rockets, weren't.
Those who claimed they launched those rockets into space, didn't.
The many people who applied to be part of the space programme, didn't.
Those who were accepted, weren't - nor did they start a programme of training.
Those astronauts who were apart from their families for weeks/months, weren't. No child missed their father and no wife worried that their husband might be killed leaving the earth's atmosphere, going goodness knows where and then re-entering it some stage.
Everyone at NASA was wilfully lying. They faked the live coverage - and they didn't have CGI in 1969.
Every interview that has been give/book that has been written by these 12 astronauts - at least 2 of whom were Christian - has been a deliberate lie.

How likely is this? How likely is it that thousands of people who were apparently involved in a lie/cover up AND all their families would be able to keep it up and not sell their stories to the Press at some point? How likely is it that men would lie to their wives and children, causing them worry and missing being in their children's lives?

I just don't believe that man has walked on the moon & never will.

No, you DID believe that men walked on the moon, and not too long ago, either.
You even publicly wrote a prayer to God apologising to him for not believing the astronauts.

You don't have the guts to write another prayer to God saying "I'm sorry that I said I was sorry; I didn't mean it and your children (the Christian astronauts) are liars."

 

[Apple Sky]

First, Christians who believe that the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 400 times further away from the earth than the moon do NOT claim "coincidence". It is what God created.

No this it is not what God created This is Satan's creation & we all know what Satan's good at.

 

[Strong in Him]

No this it is not what God created This is Satan's creation & we all know what Satan's good at.

EVERYTHING that exists; everything that has been created was created by God, John 1:3.
It's dangerous, or blasphemous, to say that it was created by the devil. That is doubting the word of God, which you claim is literally true.

 

[Apple Sky]

Think about this logically - because you claim that you accept, and practice, logic.

Yes I do

If no one has walked on the moon, thousands of people are involved in a conspiracy/mass lie.

This is what they tell you but really employees of space agencies were on a need to know basis.

How likely is it that men would lie to their wives and children, causing them worry and missing being in their children's lives?

Very likely especially if their lives or their family's were threatened.

 

[Phil G]

No this it is not what God created This is Satan's creation & we all know what Satan's good at.

No it's not, so you needn't post your red face. God has perfectly placed the sun and moon where they are, the earth in orbit around the sun and the moon in orbit around the earth. Your own observation of the moon and sun being bigger when they rise, when they should be smaller if the earth is flat, shows that flat earth is wrong.

 

[Apple Sky]

EVERYTHING that exists; everything that has been created was created by God, John 1:3.

I know, but God didn't create a spinning ball earth that hops around a sun that is supposed to be 400 times larger than the moon. No way.
Who else could concoct such a narrative ?

It's dangerous, or blasphemous, to say that it was created by the devil

Not when it's all one big lie.

 

[Phil G]

Yes I do

No you don't. If you did practice logic, you would accept the earth is a globe. Your own observation of the sun and moon being bigger when they rise logically shows flat earth to be wrong.

This is what they tell you but really employees of space agencies were on a need to know basis.

Utter rubbish without the slightest bit of evidence. Christian eyewitnesses testify to your claims being nonsense. They preach Jesus and Him crucified for the forgiveness of sins. And they testify to the earth being a globe.

Very likely especially if their lives or their family's were threatened.

Utter bunkum! And very defamatory. This is slander. Where is your evidence for such an accusation? You are exhibiting very UN-Christlike attitudes towards your brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[Strong in Him]

This is what they tell you but really employees of space agencies were on a need to know basis.

No, this is what YOU are telling me.
YOU are saying that no one walked on the moon, ever. That means that all scientists, NASA employees, the bloke whose book you quoted from who worked on Apollo rockets, ALL are lying.
Nearly everyone is lying, in fact, except for you, Dean Odle and some guy who spoke against Covid vaccinations and then died from Covid.

Very likely

Come on, be sensible!
Men deliberately lied to their wives? Where were they for all those weeks; down the pub?
Men chose to miss out on their children's lives/the birth of their children, death of family members etc just to maintain a lie?
Children missed out on having their dads around - and it turned out their dads were deliberately lying/stringing them, and everybody else along? How did those children grow up to learn the concept of telling the truth? How many hours of counselling did they need to have when they found out that their dads had deliberately lied?

if their lives or their family's were threatened.

Why in the world would their lives be threated?
Why in the world would anyone go to so much time, trouble and expense to fool the rest of us that they walked on the moon?

I believe the Christian astronauts over you any day - and I'm sorry that you accuse God's children of lying and have not read Jesus' words that however we treat others, we are doing that to HIM.