Why is the Trinity never explained, described, or mentioned in all of Scripture?

[Clare73]

Tradition spoils the truth. One fly spoils all of the perfume in the jar.

And unbelief denies the Biblical witness presented in post #36. . .post #36.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

As the subject suggests, I want to ask about the Trinity. Given that the Trinity is never explained, described, or mentioned in the Bible then why do you believe in it?

Your premise is incorrect
The word Trinity is not used in Scripture, but the definition of the Trinity is found in Scripture.
Witness:
The baptism of Jesus in which the three persons of the Trinity are present.

Isaiah 9:6-7 reports and in part also describe the Trinity.

 

[Grafted In]

I can see considerable implications in 2 portions of Scripture and
I am too worn out and sleepy to look them up.
They are ",Baptizing them in the name of Jesus" and the other "baptizing them in the name of The Father, the Son and Holy Ghost"

 

[Lukaris]

The Lord Jesus Christ clearly refers to the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit as divine, distinct Persons of the One God in John 14, 15, & 16.

The prophet Isaiah spoke of the revealed Trinity in Isaiah 48:12-17 as corroborated by Revelation 1:8.

 

[Sam91]

staff edit

John 14 Jesus is going back to the Father. The Father will send the Spirit. Jesus explains in detail the Spirits role.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT


This thread had a clean up of some problem posts and posts made in response to them.

As a reminder, it is not allowed to teach against the Trinity on this site.

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[Reluctant Theologian]

ADVISOR HAT


This thread had a clean up of some problem posts and posts made in response to them.

As a reminder, it is not allowed to teach against the Trinity on this site.

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I've noticed recently quite a number of posts and even authors seem to have been censored or asked to leave. I am a bit uncomfortable about that. Is it allowed to discuss or express disagreement with elements of the Creed of Constantinople or the Scutum Fidei? or even the late 6th century Creed of Athanasius? I subscribe to the Nicene Creed (without the anathema) but not per se to the later ones.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Ask in Contact us and explain it more there.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT


Folks, this is not the place or Christians to debate with each other regarding Theology or the Trinity. The Trinity can be explained to the OP, who is Unitarian.​

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Trinity in the OT

Isaiah 48: 12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. 14 '"All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. 16 Come ye near unto me, Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I, and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.


so we have the creator talking to the people of Israel.

And he was sent by the Lord God (father) And the spirit

 

[ralliann]

It seems to me the problem with this subject in forums and such is misunderstanding the purpose of the doctrine. It was not an explanation, not can such a thing be understood by us......

Some seem to think it is an explanation of God's nature. It is not, nor is that the purpose.
A quote from Timothy Ware; his book The Orthodox Church. Timothy Ware: later also known as Metropolitan kallistos Ware.

Kallistos Ware - Wikipedia​

Metropolitan Kallistos (born Timothy Richard Ware, 11 September 1934 – 24 August 2022) was an English bishop and theologian of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Speaking of the councils formulating the doctrine of the trinity.
Begin quote.......................................
"All Christians agree in regarding these things as "mysteries" which lie beyond human understanding and language.
The bishops, when they drew up the definitions at the councils, did not imagine that they had explained the mystery; they merely sought to exclude certain false ways of speaking and thinking about it. To prevent men from deviating into error and heresy, they drew a fence around the mystery is all."
End quote...............................................
So all the verses people have presented here and elsewhere, which verses are found here and there in scripture also are the "fencing" for the doctrine. Seeking an explanation from scripture is useless. As the doctrine is not for an explanation of God's nature.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Trinity is a mystery as such.

However. what we do know. is there are three members of the Godhead.

the father
the son
and the spirit

they are one

yet they are three.

the heresy as such to me would be when we say Jesus is not God..

 

[ralliann]

Trinity is a mystery as such.

However. what we do know. is there are three members of the Godhead.

the father
the son
and the spirit

they are one

yet they are three.

the heresy as such to me would be when we say Jesus is not God..

Exactly at least a focal point of the doctrine, is to fence in Jesus is God, along with God is one in nature. As for Christ himself, another branch of theology was brought forth. The person and work of Christ, called Christology. Some when discussing the doctrine today are speaking in a framework these fathers never even sought to go there....Then some do so today to refute the doctrine or critique it. That idea does not exist in the counsels, but many today do not even realize this.. They are discussing concerning what does not exist in the fathers.

 

[walter45]

Jn. 17:3
Berean Standard Bible
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

1 Pet. 1:3
New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Eph. 1:3
King James Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Rom. 15:6
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
That you may with one mind and one mouth glorify God The Father of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah.

Eph. 1:17
New American Standard Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

Jn. 20:17
Holman Christian Standard Bible
“Don’t cling to Me,” Jesus told her, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.”

1 Cor. 8:6
NASB 1977
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

1 Tim. 2:5
Douay-Rheims Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:

Jn. 5:30, 5:19, 6:38, 8:28, 14:10; Matt. 16:16-17, 28:18

 

[Clare73]

Jn. 17:3
Berean Standard Bible
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 Pet. 1:3
New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Eph. 1:3
King James Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Rom. 15:6
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
That you may with one mind and one mouth glorify God The Father of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah.

Eph. 1:17
New American Standard Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

Jn. 20:17
Holman Christian Standard Bible
“Don’t cling to Me,” Jesus told her, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.”

1 Cor. 8:6
NASB 1977
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

1 Tim. 2:5
Douay-Rheims Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:

Jn. 5:30, 5:19, 6:38, 8:28, 14:10; Matt. 16:16-17, 28:18

You forgot

Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed them together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,

1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),

2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and

Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.

For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.

 

[walter45]

You forgot

Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed them together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,

1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),

2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and

Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.

For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.

I believe we both have the truth when we include your scriptures and my scriptures together to explain what we believe, all the scriptures we can find on the Bible topic.

No extra words that are not in the Bible. like Trinity, God the Son, The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal,
co-eternal and co-existent.

I believe if Jesus wanted to add these words he would have. But I have complete respect for your viewpoint, there is literally hundreds of religions and many think that theirs is this the right one.

I extend to you peace and happiness for you and your family.

 

[Clare73]

I believe we both have the truth when we include your scriptures and my scriptures together

Indeed. . .and the Scriptures I present demonstrate that the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures you present is God, just as Jesus is God (Jn 1:1, 14):

Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed the three together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,

1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),

2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and

Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.

For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.

 

[walter45]

Indeed. . .and the Scriptures I present demonstrate that the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures you present is God, just as Jesus is God (Jn 1:1, 14):

Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed the three together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,

1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),

2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and

Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.

For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.

No words that are not in the Bible. like Trinity, God the Son, The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal,
co-eternal and co-existent. Or the words that describe the Trinity in its definition.

It's not important for me to debate this word or that word, or scriptures, what's important to me is to give the reasons I believe something [ scripture only ] and listen to the reasons another believes another way. I already posted the scriptures I use to explain my belief.

I will look at the scriptures you posted and keep them in mind. Thank you and peace be with you.