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[rjs330]

The bible has safety nets. gleaning in the fields, resources diverted to the poor, sharing all things in common in the church at Acts, certain widows financed by the church.
Isaiah 58:7
Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? When thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Yes but those things were for GODS people. The church took care of its own. And the gleaning of the field was not a government safety net programs. God's concern was that HIS PEOPLE do these things on a personal level. If YOU see a asked man, give him some clothes. If YOU see someone hungry give him some food.

Note in Isaiah God is talking to his people. It is all a reference to the Jews and how the Jews who are his people are treating each other. How when they are fasting they are failing to follow the purpose of it.

Look, I am FOR safety net programs. I think we as a society SHOULD help each other. I think some of our tax dollars SHOULD go to help those who cannot help themselves. I also think we are doing it wrong. Instead of actually helping people we are making people dependant and we are giving to those who don't need it.

If you dont work you dont eat. If we are going to use scripture and apply it to government safety nets, then use ALL of scripture and not just parts of it.

 

[BCP1928]

Sorry that makes no sense. Yes I do criticize people who sit around doing nothing and just taking from others when they could be being productive. Its tge same with climate change. There is NOTHING we can do to stop it. So instead of wasting our time, energy and resources on trying to stop it, we should be spending our time, money and resources on mitigating its impact on people. So as it changes we change with it and lessen its impact on us.

That's exactly what we were doing. Much of USAID's money went into teaching people in developing countries to deal with climate change by teaching them to use new crops and farming techniques. I've worked on projects like that, as recently as last year. But that's all gone now.

 

[rjs330]

Do you know what a side hustle is? It’s when the job an American is insufficient to live on.

People who work very hard every day still cannot make ends meet in America.

Oh give me a break. Not every job in the UK is sufficient to live on. Every country in the wold has that. So, you should look to your own house before criticizing someine else's.

Not every job is meant to live on for every person. My son is going to college. In the summer he works for a cement contractor who pays goid money per hour. But my son also does not work 8 hours everyday. The jobs dont call for it. Could he live on that money? No. But the job hes working isnt meant for that. The money he makes is to help him get through school.

If he needed a job to live on he'd do something else. There are lots of jobs that pay well enough to live in as a single person. But you wouldnt want that job if you had a family. Not all jobs are meant for the family man.

Running the counter at a convenience store is not worth the same as someone managing a department store. Yes the person has value. The JOB that has less value. A manager of a department store will make enough money for a family. The front counter clerk at the little convenience store wont. The job will pay what the job is worth.

Just like your country.

 

[BCP1928]

Oh give me a break. Not every job in the UK is sufficient to live on. Every country in the wold has that. So, you should look to your own house before criticizing someine else's.

Not every job is meant to live on for every person. My son is going to college. In the summer he works for a cement contractor who pays goid money per hour. But my son also does not work 8 hours everyday. The jobs dont call for it. Could he live on that money? No. But the job hes working isnt meant for that. The money he makes is to help him get through school.

If he needed a job to live on he'd do something else. There are lots of jobs that pay well enough to live in as a single person. But you wouldnt want that job if you had a family. Not all jobs are meant for the family man.

Running the counter at a convenience store is not worth the same as someone managing a department store. Yes the person has value. The JOB that has less value. A manager of a department store will make enough money for a family. The front counter clerk at the little convenience store wont. The job will pay what the job is worth.

Just like your country.

That's the crux of it. Who values the job?

 

[rjs330]

You might get more punters if you did.

More punters? The scripture deals with reality in this world. If it were possible to end poverty in this world we would be practically in heaven. It is only in heaven where everything is perfect. No poverty, no illness, no corruption, lying, death.

Every believer in this world could give every dime they had and they still wouldn't end poverty. Wouldnt even come close.

Stop and think for a minute. Do you actually believe poverty could be eliminated in this world?

If so, how exactly?

 

[rjs330]

Stop with this canard

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago​

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In 2015, investigative journalists discovered internal company memos indicating that Exxon oil company has known since the late 1970s that its fossil fuel products could lead to global warming with “dramatic environmental effects before the year 2050.” Additional documents then emerged showing that the US oil and gas industry’s largest trade association had likewise known since at least the 1950s, as had the coal industry since at least the 1960s, and electric utilities, Total oil company, and GM and Ford motor companies since at least the 1970s. Scholars and journalists have analyzed the texts contained in these documents, providing qualitative accounts of fossil fuel interests’ knowledge of climate science and its implications. In 2017, for instance, we demonstrated that Exxon’s internal documents, as well as peer-reviewed studies published by Exxon and ExxonMobil Corp scientists, overwhelmingly acknowledged that climate change is real and human-caused. By contrast, the majority of Mobil and ExxonMobil Corp’s public communications promoted doubt on the matter.​

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Who do you think were paying for Exxon's scientists?

This doesn't prove what you think it does. If this article is accurate, note it gives zero evidence fir its claims, the scientist said 5-10 years. That would have been 1988. We have blown out that by 40 years now.

No sorry I'm not buying it. We didnt cause it. Climatoligists have been claiming doom upon us for far too long. They've lied to us over and over again.

The only people who get research money are those who support it.

We cant stop it. If that scientists in tgat article is correct we are 40 years too late. So even if he is right we should be spending our money, time and efforts in to adapting to it and mitigating its effects. Because its coming and nothing we do now will prevent it.

 

[Say it aint so]

This doesn't prove what you think it does. If this article is accurate, note it gives zero evidence fir its claims, the scientist said 5-10 years. That would have been 1988. We have blown out that by 40 years now.

No sorry I'm not buying it. We didnt cause it. Climatoligists have been claiming doom upon us for far too long. They've lied to us over and over again.

The only people who get research money are those who support it.

We cant stop it. If that scientists in tgat article is correct we are 40 years too late. So even if he is right we should be spending our money, time and efforts in to adapting to it and mitigating its effects. Because its coming and nothing we do now will prevent it.

I asked you who paid the Exxon scientists for that science? Your canard is the assumption that the 97% of scientists all around the whole wide world are funded to come up with those "yes, climate change is real" findings. So, does that include Exxon's own scientists? Maybe you should be looking at who funds the 3% who come to a different conclusion

 

[JosephZ]

Every believer in this world could give every dime they had and they still wouldn't end poverty. Wouldnt even come close.

“Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made, and it can be overcome and eradicated by the action of human beings.” -- Nelson Mandela

So, how much does it cost to end poverty?

Jeffrey Sachs, as one of the world’s leading experts on economic development and the fight against poverty, stated that the cost to end poverty is $175 billion per year for 20 years. This yearly amount is less than 1 percent of the combined income of the richest countries in the world, and only four times the United States’ military budget for one year.

Ending poverty is possible and at a low cost. Now we just need ordinary citizens as well as multinational corporations to start meeting their responsibilities to help the poor and the left behind.


It would require every Christian in the world to give less than $73 a year towards those living in poverty to put an end to it. American Christians alone could end global poverty by giving less than $729 a year; around $60 a month.

 

[Larniavc]

Wouldnt even come close.

It would if they gave £100 each.

 

[ViaCrucis]

As a fomer Christian and a former admirer of the USA, the Trump/MAGA actions sadden, depress and anger me. I await, with despair, the new version of the Bible, the one without the Sermon on the Mount.

Conservapedia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

 

[public hermit]

Conservapedia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

Sure enough:

Conservapedia hosts the "Conservative Bible Project", a project aiming to create a new English translation of the Bible in order to remove or alter terms described as importing "liberal bias."[98] The project intends to remove sections of the Bible which are judged by Conservapedia's founder to be later liberal additions.[12] These include the story of the adulteress in the Gospel of John in which Jesus declares "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."[98] The project also intends to remove Jesus's prayer on the cross, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing", since it appears only in the Gospel of Luke and since, according to Schlafly, "the simple fact is that some of the persecutors of Jesus did know what they were doing. This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible.

 

[Ophiolite]

Conservapedia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

It seems my imagination, bizarre as it can be, still cannot outpace reality.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Conservapedia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

Never underestimate the extremism of a Schlafly. He's been at this for a long time.

 

[public hermit]

Never underestimate the extremism of a Schlafly. He's been at this for a long time.

So true. His mother was quite the role model for him, which is ironic since she didn't stay home and keep mum like she thought women should.

 

[Pommer]

Never underestimate the extremism of a Schlafly. He's been at this for a long time.

2007. Oddly enough, his…brand of conservatism is running the nation now.

 

[Richard T]

Yes but those things were for GODS people. The church took care of its own. And the gleaning of the field was not a government safety net programs. God's concern was that HIS PEOPLE do these things on a personal level. If YOU see a asked man, give him some clothes. If YOU see someone hungry give him some food.

Note in Isaiah God is talking to his people. It is all a reference to the Jews and how the Jews who are his people are treating each other. How when they are fasting they are failing to follow the purpose of it.

Look, I am FOR safety net programs. I think we as a society SHOULD help each other. I think some of our tax dollars SHOULD go to help those who cannot help themselves. I also think we are doing it wrong. Instead of actually helping people we are making people dependant and we are giving to those who don't need it.

If you dont work you dont eat. If we are going to use scripture and apply it to government safety nets, then use ALL of scripture and not just parts of it.

Yes, you are correct, the bible's safety net I offered concentrates on God's people. While the poor will always be with us, should we even bother with helping those who are not God's people? Well, Peter did say silver and gold I have none but rise and be healed.. Based on that money does seem to be an option to help others, Give to them that ask, loving your neighbor are not just for Christians. It rains on the just and unjust, so there is a sort of common grace that God wants people to live. Christian charity also does glorify God. So I think an earlier post talked about government themselves boosting faith based giving, which is a great idea, I know that occurs in some ways in various state governments but yes hopefully we will see more of that.

 

[rjs330]

I asked you who paid the Exxon scientists for that science? Your canard is the assumption that the 97% of scientists all around the whole wide world are funded to come up with those "yes, climate change is real" findings. So, does that include Exxon's own scientists? Maybe you should be looking at who funds the 3% who come to a different conclusion

The 97% figure has been debunked more than once.

Then there was climate fate and the following two years later with scientists admitting that,

1. Scientists are concealing underlying data thar doesn't match their conclusions
2. These scientists believe their cause is a political one rather than a scientific one
3. Many of them have admitted that the science is actually weak and dependant on data manipulation.

Now I dont know about this guy from 1976. But I do know he was completely wrong on his conclusions about the timeliness. Which make his entire findings very suspect. And quite frankly follows climate science to a tee.

Look I'm not going to change my mind and neither are you so dont bother trying to prove me wrong with more suspect data from suspect people who have been proven to be unreliable and wrong far too often.

Let's focus on the things we can agree on which us the climate is changing. And what we can do to mitigate the effects that will have on us.

 

[rjs330]

That's the crux of it. Who values the job?

The market which is based upon the skills and responsibility required to do the job along with what people are willing to pay for the services provided.

You know I think we've had this kind of discussion before.

 

[BCP1928]

The market which is based upon the skills and responsibility required to do the job along with what people are willing to pay for the services provided.

You know I think we've had this kind of discussion before.

Right, and you have your opinion about it and I have mine. What I object to is the naming of it. You call it free market capitalism when it is not. What you are describing is neoliberalism, to give it its correct technical name. If that is the economic system you favor, good for you. This is a free country and we can advocate for any economic system we want. The fact that you won't give it it's correct name is suspicious. The other thing which annoys me is that many proponents of neoliberalism promote it by quoting 2 Thessalonians on the subject of work, as if the "work" of the Bible is identical to the concept of employment in a neoliberal economy. This also makes me suspicious, as if we were being sold a pig in a poke.

 

[rjs330]

Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made, and it can be overcome and eradicated by the action of human beings.” -- Nelson Mandela

And yet he didnt solve it either. There still is a lot of poverty in Soirh Africa.

Jeffrey Sachs, as one of the world’s leading experts on economic development and the fight against poverty, stated that the cost to end poverty is $175 billion per year for 20 years. This yearly amount is less than 1 percent of the combined income of the richest countries in the world, and only four times the United States’ military budget for one year.

Sachs is full of baloney.

You cant end poverty. Thats an impossible task. People aren't lifted out of poverty by taking other people's money. No nation has ever been made wealthy by other nations handing over their wealth.

Governments and people are corrupt, selfish and self-centered. A world without poverty is as reachable as a world without war and violence. We have been fighting a war on poverty in this country fir a long time. And we still have poor and homeless people.

Your ideological feelings are commendable. You naivety of human depravity is remarkable. Christians could give away all they have and there would still be poverty in the world. We could give away our entire military budget and some other nation like China would attack us.

The UN for all its "United" name is filled with self serving tribal nations who are always looking fir a leg up on another nation. Its so called rights department is filled with nations who constantly abuse people's human rights.

Sachs ideas are predicated on the fact that all humanity would live in peace and harmony and give to one another without reservation.

It leaves out one very important thing. The heart of man is exceedingly wicked.

How many times have you heard of someone winning to lottery only to fall into poverty a few years later?

My point is NOT that we should never help someone. Ive made my position on that very clear. Which is yes we should as individuals.

But to claim we could end poverty. The answer us no we can't because mankind is incapable of it.