The Hispanic Vote

[mark46]

I would bet these Hispanics were American citizens. They know why they came here.

Yes, I also think that the Hispanics who voted were American citizens

 

[Fantine]

Yes, I also think that the Hispanics who voted were American citizens

And now they're carting off their friends and relatives, fracturing their community.

 

[ralliann]

And now they're carting off their friends and relatives, fracturing their community.

????If they were concerned about a fracture of their friends and family, they would not have left them. Geesh!

 

[BCP1928]

????If they were concerned about a fracture of their friends and family, they would not have left them. Geesh!

Left them what?

 

[ralliann]

Left them what?

Behind

 

[Pommer]

Behind

Where?

 

[ralliann]

Where?

in the country from where they came.

 

[BCP1928]

in the country from where they came.

Often the spouses and children and other loved ones we are talking about are native born Americans.

 

[ralliann]

Often the spouses and children and other loved ones we are talking about are native born Americans.

There are none that are here illegally, that these did not leave behind to become citizens of this country. The Hispanic vote supported Trump. Those which want to have community among illegals do not need to stay here.

 

[dogs4thewin]

There are none that are here illegally, that these did not leave behind to become citizens of this country. The Hispanic vote supported Trump. Those which want to have community among illegals do not need to stay here.

that would depend though because if people supported getting the "bad" out and teightening the border was good but getting the "regular" people out was either unreasonable, too far or just not worth the rsources they may decide they no longer support the methods.

 

[ralliann]

that would depend though because if people supported getting the "bad" out and teightening the border was good but getting the "regular" people out was either unreasonable, too far or just not worth the rsources they may decide they no longer support the methods.

The Hispanic vote supported Trump. They obviously were Americans. Illegals need to either self deport, or be deported. The choice is theirs.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The Hispanic vote supported Trump. They obviously were Americans. Illegals need to either self deport, or be deported. The choice is theirs.

what I am saying is just because someone supported Trump deporting the "bad" people that does not mean they support him trying to deport the "regular" illegals or his methods for doing so.

 

[mark46]

The Hispanic vote supported Trump. They obviously were Americans. Illegals need to either self deport, or be deported. The choice is theirs.

yup. They should all go be year's end, causing a major recession.

 

[BCP1928]

There are none that are here illegally, that these did not leave behind to become citizens of this country. The Hispanic vote supported Trump. Those which want to have community among illegals do not need to stay here.

Of course, some became citizens of this country when they were born, and at least a few probably can trace their families back to before there was a United States. My roommate at college descended from a man who emigrated from Spain to Santa Fe NM in 1686. People of hispanic ancestry in the US are a remarkably diverse group, with a remarkable variety of backgrounds and political opinions. Who knew?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

And now they're carting off their friends and relatives, fracturing their community.

I am trying to understand your position.

During the 2024 campaign, candidate Trump stated he would deport individuals in the United States without authorization, including those present under Temporary Protection status. As a result, some Hispanic American citizens were aware that many of their friends and family members could be affected if President Trump won the election. However, voters prioritized other issues such as the economy, inflation, transgender rights, and pro-life concerns over the potential impact on their friends and families.

Are you suggesting they made a mistake?

 

[BCP1928]

I am trying to understand your position.

During the 2024 campaign, candidate Trump stated he would deport individuals in the United States without authorization, including those present under Temporary Protection status. As a result, some Hispanic American citizens were aware that many of their friends and family members could be affected if President Trump won the election. However, voters prioritized other issues such as the economy, inflation, transgender rights, and pro-life concerns over the potential impact on their friends and families.

Are you suggesting they made a mistake?

Of course Trump also promised to prioritize criminals. I suspect some of them imagined that their ordinary friends and relations who have lived here peacefully for years would be far down the list, and might be let off for good behavior in the end, anyway.

 

[Fantine]

I am trying to understand your position.

During the 2024 campaign, candidate Trump stated he would deport individuals in the United States without authorization, including those present under Temporary Protection status. As a result, some Hispanic American citizens were aware that many of their friends and family members could be affected if President Trump won the election. However, voters prioritized other issues such as the economy, inflation, transgender rights, and pro-life concerns over the potential impact on their friends and families.

Are you suggesting they made a mistake?

I am suggesting that he has told so many thousands of verifiable Lies during his first term, and adds to those Lies by the dozens with every speech he makes so I suppose that people whose natural inclination is to believe what they want to believe thought that maybe he was just lying about the numbers of immigrants, even some with papers, and all of the refugees with temporary protective status, who would get deported.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I am suggesting that he has told so many thousands of verifiable Lies during his first term, and adds to those Lies by the dozens with every speech he makes so I suppose that people whose natural inclination is to believe what they want to believe thought that maybe he was just lying about the numbers of immigrants, even some with papers, and all of the refugees with temporary protective status, who would get deported.

Is it not common for politicians in every election to make promises that are not always fulfilled once they are in office? Candidates often make assurances during their campaigns, but upon assuming office, they may not uphold these promises or may even take contrary actions. What distinguishes today from previous ones?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Of course Trump also promised to prioritize criminals. I suspect some of them imagined that their ordinary friends and relations who have lived here peacefully for years would be far down the list, and might be let off for good behavior in the end, anyway.

Aside from Stephen Miller, the true immigration policy of this administration remains unclear.

What is even more concerning is that, even among those with a clear vision regarding whom to deport, there appears to be no policy addressing what should happen afterward. Furthermore, in this forum, individuals who advocate for total deportation often avoid answering these questions and simply reiterate their stance by insisting on mass deportation.

Not sure if I am allowed to re-post a message, but here is what I posted in this tread in post #79.

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I have consistently stated that I do not support President Trump’s immigration policy. However, I accept the outcome of the election, as it is evident that a significant portion of Americans elected him largely due to his stance on immigration. Recognizing this mandate, I support President Trump in implementing these policies, despite my personal reservations.

Understanding President Trump’s Immigration Policy and Its Impact

During his campaign, President Trump committed to deporting individuals who entered or remained in the United States without legal authorization. Supporters at the GOP convention demonstrated backing for this approach with signs advocating “mass deportation.”

Current Policy Assessment

Is mass deportation an official policy of the Trump administration? Advisors such as Stephen Miller, along with other proponents of stringent immigration enforcement, support the removal of all undocumented immigrants.

President Trump’s own statements have varied; he has, at times, indicated that only those convicted of serious crimes should face deportation, while at other moments he has called for broader actions, including mass deportations, though he occasionally refers to hardworking undocumented immigrants in positive terms.

Major donors to the administration also express differing views—while generally supporting strict immigration measures, some advocate for exceptions in sectors such as agriculture, restaurants, and meat processing.

There are diverse perspectives among supporters of the administration's immigration strategy. Some endorse the deportation of all individuals present without legal status, whereas others believe enforcement should focus on those involved in drug trafficking, human trafficking, or other serious offenses.

Practical Considerations

Presently, only approximately 0.59% of undocumented immigrants have been apprehended. At this pace, fewer than 6% are projected to be deported by the end of President Trump's term. It remains unclear whether the administration aims to remove only 5% to 7% of the undocumented population.

Economic Implications

Over four million undocumented immigrants are employed in the U.S. food industry, spanning roles in agriculture, meat processing, grocery stores, and restaurants. An additional one million work in construction. To date, there appears to be no comprehensive policy outlining how these positions would be filled, or how supply demands would be maintained, should these workers be removed.

While the Secretary of Agriculture has suggested technological solutions could replace agricultural labor, current advancements are limited to certain crops such as peanuts and corn; artificial intelligence technology capable of harvesting delicate produce like tomatoes or peaches is not expected for at least 15 years.

Thus, questions remain regarding potential plans or policies to substitute approximately ten million undocumented workers with American citizens. The removal of an estimated fifteen million individuals from the workforce would significantly impact both local and national economies. It is unclear what support mechanisms, if any, are planned for local economies dependent on immigrant labor, or how the national economy would adjust following such deportations.

Conclusion

Currently, there is no clear immigration policy. Even top officials cannot agree on who should be deported, how to define criminals, or the number of people to be deported in four years. Questions remain about who would replace these workers and the economic impact of removing 15 million people. The situation is chaotic: some advocate deporting all unauthorized residents, others only violent criminals, while critics call it a political show with no substantive solutions.

 

[Fantine]

Is it not common for politicians in every election to make promises that are not always fulfilled once they are in office? Candidates often make assurances during their campaigns, but upon assuming office, they may not uphold these promises or may even take contrary actions. What distinguishes today from previous ones?

What distinguishes it is a president whose lying would break the Guinness Book of World Records (verified many times by fact checkers.) There have been 13 other presidents since I was born, starting with Truman, and I have heard more lies from this one than all the others combined. But as I said some people believe untruths and disbelieve the real truths.